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No more thinking, just tell me what 20" lcd panel to buy

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pufftissue

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Hi,

I'm tired of thinking. The wallet is out, just tell me what to buy.

Skip the first two paragraphs, thanks.

A total rant, but would like some advice in the end. I ordered the 2001fp, it had a dead pixel. Then developed the powersave mode problem so I can' t even use it anymore. Got a second one, two dead pixels, bought it brand new, mind you, and it too has powersave mode problems, which are well-documented.
Went out to best buy and said, screw this dead pixel crap--dell was cheap, but in between the waiting and possibly paying for return shipping, etc, I'm not saving all that much money. Some, yes, but the avoiding of total aggravation of dealing with Dell support is worth at least $150 to me. Bought samsung 213T monitor b/c I heard it was just flat out awesome, but was just expensive. I said screw it, let's get it and be done with it. Opened it, 2 dead pixels. Back to another best buy, exchanged it, and being pissed off, I said look, I'm exchanging it, and I don't want any grief. For $1000, I want one without a dead pixel." Got a 2nd one, got home, and it's got 3 dead pixels. So Best buy is now closed, and I'm furious. 4 monitors, each with dead pixels. Thank you very much, even though I know many of you guys have been through like 10 monitors before you get one that's perfect.

Now, I am swearing off compusa and dell forever this time, really. I'm only buying retail without a restocking fee. I want a 20 or 21" lcd that is simply the best around--for watching HDTV mainly (that ATI HDTV Wonder, once I FINALLY got it to work, is absolutely divine). I also want to be able to watch sports without problems, movies, and 3d games. I don't care how much it costs.

My requirements:
1. No, zero, zilch, nada, 100% none, dead pixels, and how do you guys deal with them? Am I too sensitive?
2. 1600x1200 resolution or greater.
3. 20" or 21"
4. Good for 3d games, fast action sports, action movies, and can see the dark scenes in movies well, good for hdtv, i.e., it has to do everything well.
5. Must be able to buy it in a retail store--with my luck so far the return shipping costs alone could end up costing me a $150 right there. (BB, CC, compusa, fry's, microcenter, are all around me).
6. Money is no object. If you told me the 23" $1300 lcd would be heaven, without the hassle, I'd do it. Seriously.

My candidates:
samsung 213T (but does it stink for fast action?)
viewsonic 201s
sony 20" (25 ms only though?)

that's all i know of.

Please help, I'm so sick of this.
 
i'm thinking the same about B&M OP, i might end up having to buy online because i can't find the hyundai in stock locally though.

but if i were you and money isn't a huge deal, is it possible to buy from a higher end, more service oriented store than best buy who wouldn't have a problem plugging it in at the store for you to check? i've heard of people doing it and if its a smaller, i'm thinking tweeter in my area, store than i don't see why they'd have a problem doing so for you.

 
Dell UltraSharp 2405FPW. There are already reviews of the panel available for you to read, and it was covered on this board earlier today in a thread.

Dead pixels are part of owning an LCD... except for me - I've two LCD monitors and no dead pixels. Currently I'm using a Dell UltraSharp 2005FPW. I cannot possibly recommend Dell enough to you. As a side note: manufacturing defects suck, but they do happen. When you start looking at LCDs with 1600 x 1200 pixel resolutions, you are looking at 1,920,000 pixels total on that panel. If you have 2 or 3 dead pixels or less, congratulations; you're a winner. You... are... a... winner...

At any rate, you could have yourself one of the best new LCDs out by going with the 2405FPW, at around $1199, and as many people here can attest to, with Dell's crazy coupons and promotions, $900 in the near future wouldn't be out of the question. I really think you need to take a step back and allow yourself to calm down somewhat. Many of us have been in your same position; I had a string of faulty Celeron processors that I had to keep sending back to the retailer I purchased from, and in total, it became a 5 week fiasco. Many of us understand your frustration, but don't allow that frustration to build up to hate for a quality brand name.
 
Originally posted by: Boze
Dell UltraSharp 2405FPW. There are already reviews of the panel available for you to read, and it was covered on this board earlier today in a thread.

Dead pixels are part of owning an LCD... except for me - I've two LCD monitors and no dead pixels. Currently I'm using a Dell UltraSharp 2005FPW. I cannot possibly recommend Dell enough to you. As a side note: manufacturing defects suck, but they do happen. When you start looking at LCDs with 1600 x 1200 pixel resolutions, you are looking at 1,920,000 pixels total on that panel. If you have 2 or 3 dead pixels or less, congratulations; you're a winner. You... are... a... winner...

At any rate, you could have yourself one of the best new LCDs out by going with the 2405FPW, at around $1199, and as many people here can attest to, with Dell's crazy coupons and promotions, $900 in the near future wouldn't be out of the question. I really think you need to take a step back and allow yourself to calm down somewhat. Many of us have been in your same position; I had a string of faulty Celeron processors that I had to keep sending back to the retailer I purchased from, and in total, it became a 5 week fiasco. Many of us understand your frustration, but don't allow that frustration to build up to hate for a quality brand name.
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I agree. 🙂

My first 2005FPW had a (sometimes 😕 ) stuck white pixel at the very top, and a stuck green subpixel near the middle. My replacement only has one dead pixel, and it's much less noticeable/annoying than the stuck on ones were, especially since I do a lot of gaming. And since you said that money is no object, I'd also recommend the Dell 2405FPW. Hell, I'm tempted to ditch my one month old 2005FPW for one myself. 😛

I used to be of the "OMG dead pixels are unacceptable :|" mindset too, before I actually owned an LCD. It's just unrealistic really, and it's not the end of the world if you have one or two. Not to mention that Dell is great about replacements too.
 
reading that press release about the 2405 reminds me of the reason I went to dell in the first place. Those are killer specs: 1000:1 contrast and 500 brightness and a card reader and usb 2 ports? For $1200? That undercuts the market by like nearly 50% after coupons.
Of course I'd likely get it, but what are the chances of me not having a dead pixel, especially when paying that kind of money?

 
I honestly don't know what your chances are. Like I said, my first 2005FPW had two stuck pixels; my replacement has one dead one and it's not annoying at all, so I can easily live with it.

With LCD's, it's still really "the luck of the draw" as far as getting one without dead pixels. But you can exchange as many times as you want of course. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: pufftissue
reading that press release about the 2405 reminds me of the reason I went to dell in the first place. Those are killer specs: 1000:1 contrast and 500 brightness and a card reader and usb 2 ports? For $1200? That undercuts the market by like nearly 50% after coupons.
Of course I'd likely get it, but what are the chances of me not having a dead pixel, especially when paying that kind of money?
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Not for nothing, but how can and LCD be "killer" anything? It's an LCD. Could it be "killer" for Microsoft Word? Is it "legendary" for Excel spreadsheets? LOL Dude I'm just breaking your chops. LCD's are very kewl, just not the best for gaming despite what even the most hardcore LCD enthusiast says. Dont get me incorrectly here. You can game on them just fine. It all depends on your own eyes.
 

> simply the best around--for watching HDTV mainly

He wants it for HDTV not gaming. Gosh why does everyone seem to think the world revolves around games?

If you want buy from a local store, it sounds like you may have exhausted your options.

Have you tried checking out an applestore (if there is one in your area?).

The apple cinema screens are "killer". Expensive but great quality.......

 
A single dead pixel, even a few is not THAT bad. I know you pay good money, but it's part of the technology. I have an 2005fp with stuck/dead pixels, and picked up a secondary 17" Envision and it has (3).

And you might become suprised, stores will/ may not continue to allow you to swap through numerous screens over 1 dead pixel.

I can tell you that if you buy a 17" PowerBook @ $2600 and it has 1 or 2 dead pixels, you won't be swapping it out.

The 213T is pretty sub par when it comes to gaming, but aside from that its awesome.
I am a big fan of the Viewsonic, and the Sony looks sexy.

CompUSA no longer has a restocking fee.

They offer a carry in replacement ( unlimited in AZ )

1 dead pixel policy.
 
Originally posted by: Machine350
The Viewsonic is a nice monitor. But if money is no object, I would go with the Apple Cinema.
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I would agree with that. I have seen numerous 20" Cinema Displays and haven't seen a dead pxiel.. BUT I'm sure you can find ones that do.
 
My 2005fpw has 1 green pixel stuck somewhere. It's 99% impossible to find unless the screen is completely black. Even then, its hardly even noticable at all. I'm glad I went w/ this monitor. Sorry you had such bad luck with Dell.
 
The posters here are giving you some good information and facts about their LCD experiences, puff.

I have been fortunate in that my Sony PCG-GRT170 laptop had no dead pixels and my Dell UltraSharp 2005FPW had no dead pixels when it arrived either. Not everyone is so fortunate, and I'm sure in the future I will probably get an LCD that does have a dead pixel or two, but to be honest, 1 to 3 out of 2 million are pretty damn good odds no matter how you slice it, and it just isn't worth the hassle, to me, to worry about trying to get it traded out. I do everything on this 2005FPW by the way - from hard core photo manipulation to DVD authoring to gaming (FPSes, MMORPGs, and RPGs mostly) to watching DVDs, and in the near future, probably watching HDTV. I have been more than pleased making the transition from CRTs to LCDs. Quite simply I believe it to be one of the best monitors available today, regardless of price.
 
Originally posted by: pufftissue
Now, I am swearing off compusa and dell forever this time, really. I'm only buying retail without a restocking fee.
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You meant BestBuy, right? I'm pretty sure CompUSA went with a 21 day return policy with no restocking fee.

I'd suggest you go into one of the larger B&M retailers during a slow time, explain that you've had problems with dead pixels in the past, and want to test it out in store before buying it. I'm sure one of those places will have a manager that'll okay it.
 
Compusa should let you open the box in the store to see if it has any dead pixels, so you could probably keep opening boxes until you find one with no dead pixels.
 
If you must buy from a retail store, then I'd also say the 20" Cinema display (the only thing is the fact that it will have a 1yr warranty that does not cover dead pixels, so even if you get a perfect one and then a pixel goes out...even during the 1st year...you're f*@ed). If you don't want to get it from CompUSA, you could always try your nearest Apple store. Otherwise, I'd say get the Sony SDM-S204E/B. However, you'd have to get it from either Sony themselves or from an etailer like Newegg or Mwave (both carry the SDM-S204E/B) as of now. You might wait another couple of weeks to see if Fry's or CC gets them (they both currently sell the 25ms SDM-S204). BTW, the SDM-S204E/B is the newer Sony 20" LCD with a 16ms response time.
 
..so what's happening to all the returned flatpanels wit dead pixels?? The mfgr.seal has been broken. They can't sell em as new. Are these the ones that show up on internet auction sites like ubid?? WTF are they doing with these things??...😕
 
Originally posted by: Cheesetogo
Compusa should let you open the box in the store to see if it has any dead pixels, so you could probably keep opening boxes until you find one with no dead pixels.
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They will not let you go through multiple boxes to find one without a dead pixel. It's part of the technology and they offer plans that warant that.

I see no reason for any retailer to open up say, four or 5 boxes to check for 1 dead pixel.

What do they do with the open ones?

Every customer that sees a open one is going to say " Can i get a discount on that"
 
Originally posted by: bjc112
[They will not let you go through multiple boxes to find one without a dead pixel. It's part of the technology and they offer plans that warant that.
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Part of the technology??? WTF?!?!?! Am I the only person on here that thinks that is a total crock of shat? Would you buy a scratched case, because "Its part of the technology?" How happy are you with that mobo thats got leaking caps, after all, "Its part of the technology?" Its only because people have been told that horse manure by the manufacturers and are willing to accept a defective product right out of the box that they can get away with this fraud. I'm with Puff on this one. I spend $500 to $1000 or more on a product, I don't expect it to be defective right off the shelf. I don't care if its a scratch in the case, bent pins on the cord, or a defective pixel, its not "Part of the technology." its a frelling defect. Its past time these manufacturers got off their bums and used technology to fix the defects. As long a we are willing to purchase a brand new broken product, there is no incentive for them to do so.
 
Originally posted by: Mudbone
Originally posted by: bjc112
[They will not let you go through multiple boxes to find one without a dead pixel. It's part of the technology and they offer plans that warant that.
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Part of the technology??? WTF?!?!?! Am I the only person on here that thinks that is a total crock of shat? Would you buy a scratched case, because "Its part of the technology?" How happy are you with that mobo thats got leaking caps, after all, "Its part of the technology?" Its only because people have been told that horse manure by the manufacturers and are willing to accept a defective product right out of the box that they can get away with this fraud. I'm with Puff on this one. I spend $500 to $1000 or more on a product, I don't expect it to be defective right off the shelf. I don't care if its a scratch in the case, bent pins on the cord, or a defective pixel, its not "Part of the technology." its a frelling defect. Its past time these manufacturers got off their bums and used technology to fix the defects. As long a we are willing to purchase a brand new broken product, there is no incentive for them to do so.
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Agreed. If they charge the same price for a monitor that has ZERO dead pixels as they do for one that has one or more dead pixels, that's not right. Monitors with dead pixels should be discounted in my opinion because they are defective.
 
Well I think it's rediculous to send back a monitor over a dead pixel. Most lcd monitors are going to have a dead pixel. The monitor will still look awesome, and it will still function the same as if it did not have a dead pixel. The only difference is that now there is a hardly noticble spec that is sometimes a different color from the other 1 million specs on the screen. I can live with that.
 
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