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No more term limits in Venezula

SAWYER

Lifer
It is sad and scary to see this happening, I do not believe for one second this is legit.

Venezuelan leader wins key reform
Supporter of Hugo Chavez (15/02/09)
Mr Chavez said he needed more time to consolidate the revolution

Venezuelans have voted to lift limits on terms in office for elected officials, allowing President Hugo Chavez to stand for re-election.

With 94% of votes counted, 54% backed an end to term limits, a National Electoral Council official said.

Mr Chavez has said he needs to stay in office beyond the end of his second term in 2012 so he can secure what he calls Venezuela's socialist revolution.

Critics say that would concentrate too much power in the presidency.

"The doors of the future are wide open," Mr Chavez was quoted by the Associated Press news agency as shouting from the balcony of his Miraflores palace after the results were announced.

"In 2012 there will be presidential elections, and unless God decides otherwise, unless the people decide otherwise, this soldier is already a candidate."

Crowds of the president's supporters filled in the streets, letting off fireworks, waving red flags and honking car horns.

Challenges ahead

The BBC's Will Grant in the Venezuelan capital, Caracas, says this was the kind of strong confirmation of his socialist agenda at the polls that Mr Chavez had been seeking.

"This victory saved the revolution," said Gonzalo Mosqueda, a 60-year-old shopkeeper, sipping rum from a plastic cup outside the palace.

"Without it everything would be at risk - all the social programs, and everything he [Chavez] has done for the poor," he told AP.


This has been the most unequal, the most abusive campaign of all
Leopoldo Lopez
Opposition leader

More than 11 million voters out of almost 17 million who were eligible took part in Sunday's referendum, said the head of the electoral body, Tibisay Lucena.

International observers said the ballot was free and fair, and opposition leaders were quoted as saying they would not contest the vote.

Even so, opposition leader Leopoldo Lopez told the BBC's Newshour programme earlier on Sunday that the vote had been heavily weighted towards Mr Chavez.

"In 10 years we have had 15 elections, 15, and this has been the most unequal, the most abusive campaign of all.

"So that's why you are seeing more propaganda, more campaigning, more advertisement for the 'yes' vote."

Economic crisis

Under existing constitutional rules, the president was limited to two six-year terms in office, which meant that Mr Chavez would have had to leave the presidency in three years' time.

A proposal to end presidential term limits was one of a package of 69 constitutional changes narrowly rejected in a referendum in late 2007.

The president now faces the daunting task of grappling with the global economic crisis in a country dependent on oil exports, our correspondent says.

Venezuela has the highest inflation in Latin America, he says, and there are serious domestic problems such as violent crime that Mr Chavez will need to tackle in the next four years if he is to repeat his success in the presidential elections of 2012.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7891856.stm
 
Here we go again. Cue Steeplerot and the others saying Chavez could do no wrong. Even in a fully functional and mature democratic society, term limits are an effective tool against tyrrany.
 
Whether this particular election was rigged or not, ultimately the uneducated venezuelans brought him in with open arms and this is what they get.
 
It will all come down to how "free and fair" the election is in 2012... but you're right, this large step toward a dictatorship is definitely sad to witness.
 
Originally posted by: palehorse
It will all come down to how "free and fair" the election is in 2012... but you're right, this large step toward a dictatorship is definitely sad to witness.

+1 Term limits are part of the core of a democracy. I was surprised there wasn't more of an uproar over the NY politician who wanted a third term. This rule should never be circumvented at any level.
 
But I thought, learning this from the left, that Bush was going to do this sort of thing and still be President?
 
Term Limits are a non-issue. If the Elections remain Free and Fair, the Venezuelans can have him(or anyone else) until he dies. Term Limit laws are rare amongst Democracies.
 
Term limits are bullshit. If the leader is efficient and the people want him/her to stay in power let them. Franklin D. Roosevelt is a courageous man who the jackals at wall street hated so much that a they made sure that congress pass a term limit so that president who wasn't under their control, wouldn't reign for too long.

If you're gonna add term limit, then make it 20 years or so, because eventually the leader could start to slack or become a career politician like most of the folks in congress.
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Whether this particular election was rigged or not, ultimately the uneducated venezuelans brought him in with open arms and this is what they get.

Sort of like another group of people...whats there name?? ahh the Palestinians.....
 
Originally posted by: Sawyer
It is sad and scary to see this happening, I do not believe for one second this is legit.

Venezuelan leader wins key reform
Supporter of Hugo Chavez (15/02/09)
Mr Chavez said he needed more time to consolidate the revolution

Venezuelans have voted to lift limits on terms in office for elected officials, allowing President Hugo Chavez to stand for re-election.

With 94% of votes counted, 54% backed an end to term limits, a National Electoral Council official said.

Mr Chavez has said he needs to stay in office beyond the end of his second term in 2012 so he can secure what he calls Venezuela's socialist revolution.

Critics say that would concentrate too much power in the presidency.

"The doors of the future are wide open," Mr Chavez was quoted by the Associated Press news agency as shouting from the balcony of his Miraflores palace after the results were announced.

"In 2012 there will be presidential elections, and unless God decides otherwise, unless the people decide otherwise, this soldier is already a candidate."

Crowds of the president's supporters filled in the streets, letting off fireworks, waving red flags and honking car horns.

Challenges ahead

The BBC's Will Grant in the Venezuelan capital, Caracas, says this was the kind of strong confirmation of his socialist agenda at the polls that Mr Chavez had been seeking.

"This victory saved the revolution," said Gonzalo Mosqueda, a 60-year-old shopkeeper, sipping rum from a plastic cup outside the palace.

"Without it everything would be at risk - all the social programs, and everything he [Chavez] has done for the poor," he told AP.


This has been the most unequal, the most abusive campaign of all
Leopoldo Lopez
Opposition leader

More than 11 million voters out of almost 17 million who were eligible took part in Sunday's referendum, said the head of the electoral body, Tibisay Lucena.

International observers said the ballot was free and fair, and opposition leaders were quoted as saying they would not contest the vote.

Even so, opposition leader Leopoldo Lopez told the BBC's Newshour programme earlier on Sunday that the vote had been heavily weighted towards Mr Chavez.

"In 10 years we have had 15 elections, 15, and this has been the most unequal, the most abusive campaign of all.

"So that's why you are seeing more propaganda, more campaigning, more advertisement for the 'yes' vote."

Economic crisis

Under existing constitutional rules, the president was limited to two six-year terms in office, which meant that Mr Chavez would have had to leave the presidency in three years' time.

A proposal to end presidential term limits was one of a package of 69 constitutional changes narrowly rejected in a referendum in late 2007.

The president now faces the daunting task of grappling with the global economic crisis in a country dependent on oil exports, our correspondent says.

Venezuela has the highest inflation in Latin America, he says, and there are serious domestic problems such as violent crime that Mr Chavez will need to tackle in the next four years if he is to repeat his success in the presidential elections of 2012.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7891856.stm

Is this really news?? Well? C`mon now the world did not see this coming.....
 
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
I do not support term limits. That is what an election is for.

The problem with that is people like Chavez can become so powerful they can control elections thus never be voted out.
 
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Here we go again. Cue Steeplerot and the others saying Chavez could do no wrong. Even in a fully functional and mature democratic society, term limits are an effective tool against tyrrany.

How will Obama be able to fix this country in only 4 (maybe 8) years?
 
Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
The poor will vote for government handouts...true in Venezuela...true in the US...so easily manipulated.

Yes. One good reason we should have term limits - to provide a check and balance to the demands of the masses. Except for the judiciary which should be a lifetime appointment to avoid political influence and check teh power of the legislative and executive branches.
 
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