Freejack2
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Hello you two. I'm the only employer in the area that will hire you. Seeing as the government no longer regulates the workplace and the country is in a recession.
You two are going to have to work 80 hours a week. Seeing as you are desperate for a job I'm sure my generous offer of $4 an hour will be more than enough for you.
You'll work 8am to 8pm Monday to Saturday, and since I'm such a nice guy you'll only have to work 8 to 4 on Sunday.
You're are only allowed a 15 minute meal break halfway into your shift. If you're late, you're fired. If you get sick and don't come in, you're fired.
And you were complaining about working 40 hours making $15 an hour.
If you two really think the government shouldn't be regulating businesses, you are both the biggest fools I've seen in quite some time. It's a proven fact that without regulation workers will be abused. Take a look at China, workers working up to 100 hours a week for 13 cents an hour isn't uncommon there.
thanks x-man, i realised that this was a left leaning article, i read it in the local alternative newspaper and wanted to get more viewpoints on it/discuss it. A lot of molly's examples are extreme's, worst case scenario's. I just havent figured out what about the bill is really needed that we need to take the chance of those things happening. I know the government doesnt need to be telling business how to run every aspect of their business, but a lot of people died to bring about the 40-hr work week. In unregulated countries, and in ours in the past, workers have been exploited and made to work a dreadful amount for a dismal pay. This bill isnt exactly telling employers that they have free reign and can work people as long as they want, but I feel that the potential in this tool for bad outweighs its potential for good.
more later, drink now
If you are severely underpaid why not get a new job?
People like to think they are underpaid but if someone is willing to do your job for less and has the same skill set then you are OVERPAID.
I am also underpaid. I can't afford everything I want and my boss drives a LEXUS and his house cost about 4X what mine did
Your example is extreamly flawed because as ome as I find out your labor costs are that low I am moving my operation to where you are and I will pay people 5 dollars and hour and only make them work 60 hours a week. In an economy that's main expense is labor people will look to lower costs. The bottom line if a company has the only jobs in town soon someone else will set up shop nearby OR everyone will leave that town.
Well that is what is currently done to migrant workers. I haven't seen many step in and help them. It reeks of partisanship on BOTH sides. The dems are bleating about this, but what have they done for the migrants? I am sure you can post links of them helping, but I could post links of the reps helping migrants as well. The government shouldn't regulate private business or mandate a min wage or hours.
Hayabusa Rider
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I have to disagree somewhat. True, migrants are treated badly, but that does not mean everyone should be treated like them. Govt SHOULD regulate business. Someone is going to make a profit. The execs have an advantage in this, and a motivation as far as stock prices go. We have not changed drastically since the days when children were forced to work in misery for virtually no money in extremely hazardous conditions. Law and regulation are the only thing that prevents that from happening. If you think Enron execs and the like are more charitable than that I believe you are mistaken. No, nothing would happen instantly, but why would they not wish to maximize their profits? What prevents them from doing this when everyone else can? The more "efficient" businesses will force the more generous to close. I have been in enough positions in enough companies to know that "business decisions" justify any treatment. Only fear stops them. I have personally witness what can happen to people within the protection of the law. To remove it would render the majority helpless, and to what good?
zephyrprime
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Sorry I don't want to take the pay cut
Exempt employees ahve a motivation to find things that work more effeciently because if they don't they put in longer hours.
The bottom line is if you feel you are being slighted by your employer then FIND A NEW JOB. If the area you live in doesn't have good jobs then MOVE.
You have no idea how the economy works. WOrkers are and always will be an asset. COmpanies that pay poorly and treat their employees poorly find themselves without. This has nothing to do with the law or fear. The main fear that employer have regaurding employees is that they may leave. That is what drives fair treatment. As with any asset companies will do their best to get the most bang for the buck AS THEY SHOULD. DOes this mean that 12 year old kids will be working in sweat shops making tshirts? No it doesn't because this bill does not effect child labor laws. It also does not affect OSHA which ensures a safe work enviorment. If company a drops pay and increases hours then company B is goping to hire it's best workers.
You are giving companies too much credit. Company A won't be the only company that drops wages and raises hours. Every company will drop wages and raise hours. Company A might pay you $8 an hour, an company B might pay you $9 an hour, but neither is close to the $20 a hour you used to make. Extreme example? Of course, but the moral of the story isn't as out there as you think it is.
A few years ago the FCC thought dropping some regulations would spur competition thus drive down prices and increase quality of serivce/product for consumers. But what really happend is companies realized, "Why should I try to make a better mouse trap when I can buy an already succuessful mouse trapper company." Which is why we have all these huge, global media conglomerates<sp?> now. 99% of everything you see on TV, watch at the movies, hear on the radio, or read in a news paper/magazine is brought to you by one of, probably, a half dozen conglomerates. Another example is CDs. A few years ago some regulations were relaxed in hopes of starting a CD price war. What happend? Everyone decided to raise CD prices. $13.99 at Store X is better than $16.99 at Store Y, but neither is as good as $9.99 from a few years ago.
Lethal
CD prices will continue to rise as long as people buy CD's. This has nothing to do with regulation. I just bought a CD by Darly Woorely (SP?) and I assure you that I didn't buy it because it was cheaper than Britney's CD
On the labor front have you read what this bill will do? It gives EMPLOYEES the CHOICE to BANK Overtime hours at the same rate as overtime pay. You work an extra 2 hours you get 3 hours of comptime which is paid. EMployees making 20 dollars an hour are HURT by Minimum wage laws in the increased cost of goods and services. Companies are not going to drop pay nearly as much as you think. WHy? employees will leave. they will no longer beable to produce a product. about 95% of workers are paid based on what the market bares meaning if you make 40 bucks a hour and I am willing to do that job for 10 guess what you are gone.
Originally posted by: tm37
CD prices will continue to rise as long as people buy CD's. This has nothing to do with regulation. I just bought a CD by Darly Woorely (SP?) and I assure you that I didn't buy it because it was cheaper than Britney's CD
On the labor front have you read what this bill will do? It gives EMPLOYEES the CHOICE to BANK Overtime hours at the same rate as overtime pay. You work an extra 2 hours you get 3 hours of comptime which is paid. EMployees making 20 dollars an hour are HURT by Minimum wage laws in the increased cost of goods and services. Companies are not going to drop pay nearly as much as you think. WHy? employees will leave. they will no longer beable to produce a product. about 95% of workers are paid based on what the market bares meaning if you make 40 bucks a hour and I am willing to do that job for 10 guess what you are gone.
And people will work as long as they need money, even if they are getting hosed. If all the companies lower their wages by (random number) 25% then there are still "wage wars" to attract workers, but instead if it being $100/hr from Compnay A and $80 from company B it will be $75 from company A and $60 from company B. A is still better than B, but you are still making less. I'm not trying to bash the bill, hell I haven't even read the bill, I just have a more pessimistic outlook than you do.
These cuts wouldn't happen over night mind you. Starting wages, bonuses, and raises would all slowly be lowered over a period of years. I'm not very old, but I've seen enough crap to realize that if you want to be treated fairly you have to be pro-active and make sure your employer treats you fairly. Expecting your employer to make sure you are treated fairly is a disaster waiting to happen. As a good friend of mine once told me, "You don't get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate." Lethal
Hayabusa- I think we HAVE changed drastically since women and children were forced to labor for pittance and die at an early age due to exhaustion. We have changed in a great way. This was the effect of the PEOPLE and not the government. The government is never going to destroy itself by actually helping people.
Why would the government destroy the system that makes it rich? The people had to do it. The workers. Not Big Business and not congress.
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