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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
This is great News, hopefully the end of Microsoft dominance and a real alternative be possible just like what has happened with the Browser software.

oh, that's likely. :)

Jason
 
Feb 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: astartz
Originally posted by: buckmasterson
Dollar Bill is about to collect a lot of money! He'll need it when the lawsuits against his buggy software start rolling in!


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I love it when people want MS to provide support for a stolen product. I cant steal a car from a dealership then demand a oil change every 3000 miles.

But DAMN it would be funny if you tried :)

Jason
 

Kipper

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Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: buckmasterson
He'll need it when the lawsuits against his buggy software start rolling in!
:thumbsdown:

MS Windows is the greatest desktop OS for a simple reason - it's compatible with practically every hardware device and is very easy to use. Just plug in and/or install the device/hardware and it works. I really do admire Bill Gates - he started a multi-billion dollar company out of nothing. Talk about living the American Dream - he started his idea in high school, dropped out of college, and is now one of the richest people on earth. Bill Gates and Microsoft illustrates the kind of greatness that can only be achieve in the capitalist American environment. :thumbsup:

His dad provided him with $2 million in a trust fund of some sort, I believe. He didn't start the company out of "nothing." Furthermore, he didn't drop out of college, he dropped out of law school.

This is far from a Horatio Alger story if I ever heard one.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: buckmasterson
He'll need it when the lawsuits against his buggy software start rolling in!
:thumbsdown:

MS Windows is the greatest desktop OS for a simple reason - it's compatible with practically every hardware device and is very easy to use. Just plug in and/or install the device/hardware and it works. I really do admire Bill Gates - he started a multi-billion dollar company out of nothing. Talk about living the American Dream - he started his idea in high school, dropped out of college, and is now one of the richest people on earth. Bill Gates and Microsoft illustrates the kind of greatness that can only be achieve in the capitalist American environment. :thumbsup:

His dad provided him with $2 million in a trust fund of some sort, I believe. He didn't start the company out of "nothing." Furthermore, he didn't drop out of college, he dropped out of law school.

This is far from a Horatio Alger story if I ever heard one.

Halos is your typical blow hard millionaire wannabe and overdog worshiper.. hell I've seen him even blaming "mexicans" for this counties ills. Projection big time. If he knew anything and was as connected as he claims he'd know they are very profitable assets not to be besmurched. Nope white trash bleeds though his text.
 

buckmasterson

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Originally posted by: astartz
Originally posted by: buckmasterson
Dollar Bill is about to collect a lot of money! He'll need it when the lawsuits against his buggy software start rolling in!


Linked

I love it when people want MS to provide support for a stolen product. I cant steal a car from a dealership then demand a oil change every 3000 miles.

I paid for mine. Those who didn't are usually the type of people who want something for nothing. You know, the type who will jump onboard a class-action suit just to collect what's rightfully not theirs in the first place!
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: snooker
IMO MS hasn't lost any money. I see it this way, that money they have "lost" was never in their hands in the first place for them to lose. How can you lose something you have never had to begin with?

I don't think that's entirely accurate... a lot of people would pay for Windows if they 100% had to, because it's still easier than learning a new operating system. especially in the case of corporations using pirated software.
 

imported_tss4

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Originally posted by: snooker
Originally posted by: tss4




Unix doesn't run all your favorite video games. Nuff said.

Apparenty you do not know too much about Linux/ Unix

I can easily run any given Windows Based game on my Linux Machine. You just have to be smarter then the software ;)

You can't run them all.
 

snooker

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Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: snooker
Originally posted by: tss4




Unix doesn't run all your favorite video games. Nuff said.

Apparenty you do not know too much about Linux/ Unix

I can easily run any given Windows Based game on my Linux Machine. You just have to be smarter then the software ;)

You can't run them all.

I have yet to find one I couldn't get working. I am not saying I have played every game ever made for windows on a linux box, but every one I have tried, once I get all settings etc sorted out, it WILL run. Like I said, you have to be smarter then the software :)

 

snooker

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: snooker
IMO MS hasn't lost any money. I see it this way, that money they have "lost" was never in their hands in the first place for them to lose. How can you lose something you have never had to begin with?

I don't think that's entirely accurate... a lot of people would pay for Windows if they 100% had to, because it's still easier than learning a new operating system. especially in the case of corporations using pirated software.



Ya, maybe I did overstate that. My bad. I am some would go out and buy it, but I believe most would go back to an earlier OS that MS can not regulate, like Win95 and 98, and maybe even ME
 

imported_tss4

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Originally posted by: snooker
Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: snooker
Originally posted by: tss4




Unix doesn't run all your favorite video games. Nuff said.

Apparenty you do not know too much about Linux/ Unix

I can easily run any given Windows Based game on my Linux Machine. You just have to be smarter then the software ;)

You can't run them all.

I have yet to find one I couldn't get working. I am not saying I have played every game ever made for windows on a linux box, but every one I have tried, once I get all settings etc sorted out, it WILL run. Like I said, you have to be smarter then the software :)


ok, perhaps. But do you think the average person would fork over the money for operating system or become competent enough in linux to work through getting each game to run on thier box? Sure the power users might, but not the other 99% of the population.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: snooker
Originally posted by: tss4
You can't run them all.

I have yet to find one I couldn't get working. I am not saying I have played every game ever made for windows on a linux box, but every one I have tried, once I get all settings etc sorted out, it WILL run. Like I said, you have to be smarter then the software :)

If an average user has to frustrate over getting a system running, they will quickly determine that the system is not worth the hassles and get rid of it.

Then word of mounth will come into effect.

The key is average user, the one that does not re-format or upgrade their drivers or H/W.

 

Zebo

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But do you think the average person would fork over the money for operating system or become competent enough in linux to work through getting each game to run on thier box?

I don't know anyone who steals MS OS. It's simply not worth the grief when all the COMPS they buy come with an OS. That said NO CHANCE. Way too clueless even for MS OS stealing let alone Linux...I've been to friends houses who's comp is so hosed, with 36 icons in task manager, booting using 300MB ram, all whored out, and they turn and ask me why thier comp is slow. Usually I tell them get more ram as I don't even have the time or patence to delve into their nightmare.

Basically MS's efforts will never stop the pros, they know it, but they make up insignifigant share of stealers.
 

piasabird

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If Microsoft is a supposed MONOPOLY, how come the US Government doesnt set the price they can charge for the operating system?
 

Zebo

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Hard to call MS a monopoly when I can think of about 10 OS's off top of my head. Some are even FREE! I don't evn know why goverment ever got on them in the first place.
 

buckmasterson

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Hard to call MS a monopoly when I can think of about 10 OS's off top of my head. Some are even FREE! I don't evn know why goverment ever got on them in the first place.

You got that right! Microsoft, although people won't admit it, has the best OS out there. Microsoft didn't build a monoploy, we created one by buying thier product. Although, it is buggy...
 

Infohawk

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I think the government should have busted up MS.We would have had more competition in the 90s. Right now it's not necessary, but things would probably be a little more advanced had they broken it up a while back. And MS WAS convicted of monopolistic practices.
 

CQuinn

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Originally posted by: MadCowDisease

His dad provided him with $2 million in a trust fund of some sort, I believe. He didn't start the company out of "nothing." Furthermore, he didn't drop out of college, he dropped out of law school.

Bill already had a successful company (Traf-o-Data) going in to the creation of Microsoft.

And his Master at Harvard was Mathematics IIRC.

 

n7

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There are so many ways to get around validation it's not even funny...

That being said, i think it's good they are making it harder to avoid buying their software.
 

judasmachine

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Linux exploding doesn't mean they'll kill MS. It just means there may soon be some competition.
 

Terumo

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Originally posted by: Zebo
I don't know anyone who steals MS OS. It's simply not worth the grief when all the COMPS they buy come with an OS. That said NO CHANCE. Way too clueless even for MS OS stealing let alone Linux...I've been to friends houses who's comp is so hosed, with 36 icons in task manager, booting using 300MB ram, all whored out, and they turn and ask me why thier comp is slow. Usually I tell them get more ram as I don't even have the time or patence to delve into their nightmare.

Basically MS's efforts will never stop the pros, they know it, but they make up insignifigant share of stealers.

Actually it's the pros who get and spread around the "joy". When the Windows XP Corporate OEM disks were available, they didn't just come off of an end user's computer. They got out because it's so easy to burn a copy and share with other pros. Those pros hand it on down to the end users. Next thing known? Everyone has a "free" Windows OS on their machine.

In fact you have to be incredibly "unhip" in the computing world to have not gotten a copy (nevermind other software).

And I bet every last one of you either knows of someone with one (and a key generator), if you don't already have it on your computers. MS knows, other distributors know, and you know.

Best stragedy MS could have is to have a "forgiveness" policy for Longhorn, and willing to sell to those with invalid keys a disk for 1/2 price. in exchange for their pirated copy. Not to reward the bad folks, but confession is good for everyone. MS will make money it otherwise would've lost, tracked how bad the piracy actually is, and those with invalid installs can own up to the fact piracy doesn't truly pay (it may in the pocketbook, but not to one's conscience). Most people aren't sociopaths without a conscience, they know they did something wrong, and if they could find a way to correct it, they would (throwing them in the clink would be counterproductive, anyway).
 

alent1234

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i remember i had one of the original XP hacked corporate keys. MS disabled the key for updates and supposedly the company got a new key for their PC's. MS knows they can't stop people from activating the OS with the hacked keys, but they are willing to withhold support from people that don't activate.
 

HalosPuma

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I think Valve's Steam activation technique for Half-Life 2 is working quite well. They nabbed over 30,000 people trying to use duplicate keys and/or violate the registration process. While I'm not entirely thrilled that I have to log onto Steam every time I play HL2 or when I install it, it seems to be working. I haven't heard of cases where HL2 has been pirated (of course, I haven't been looking too hard).
 

Grunt03

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This is cool, hopefully this will help drive the cost down a bit. give it time and it will be found on the Fossie sights with a crack.
 

CQuinn

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Originally posted by: HalosPuma
I think Valve's Steam activation technique for Half-Life 2 is working quite well. They nabbed over 30,000 people trying to use duplicate keys and/or violate the registration process. While I'm not entirely thrilled that I have to log onto Steam every time I play HL2 or when I install it, it seems to be working. I haven't heard of cases where HL2 has been pirated (of course, I haven't been looking too hard).

Valve is currently getting major flames for the downtime on one of their authentication servers
causing a lot of people to be locked out of Steam. You can check out a recent thread on
Slashdot about it.