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No Larrabee this year

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http://www.computerworld.com/a...asic&articleId=9131651

Larrabee will go into "volume introduction ... early next year," said Intel CEO Paul Otellini during Intel's discussion of second-quarter results with Wall Street analysts.
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I also found this interesting...

Peddie said he expected Intel to match ATI and Nvidia's lineup and roll out four versions of Larrabee, in 8-, 16-, 32-, and 64-core versions.

Otellini denied that Larrabee chips have been turning out bulkier than expected. Bulky chips tend to require more electricity for cooling and can't perform as fast. That could put off the third-party graphics card makers that would be the market for Larrabee.

Larrabee GPUs that have been publicly shown so far are "high-end ... extreme versions, I'll put it that way," Otellini said.

Otellini did not say when he expected graphic cards with Larrabee would begin shipping.
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Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Originally posted by: Phynaz
How is this news?

It's always been late 2009/early 2010.
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Now it's no longer late 2009 silly.
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Yep, to put it into earnings release analogy Intel has "narrowed its guidance, moving the average expected result upwards but still within the confines given by previous guidance".

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Larrabee GPUs that have been publicly shown so far are "high-end ... extreme versions, I'll put it that way," Otellini said.
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Interesting indeed. My immediate speculation when I read that is that Intel was brandishing either a 96 or 128 core Larrabee.

Perhaps a special high-end version created for limited production volume to satisfy their corporate accounts at the render houses where ASP supports the GM requirements? (dreamworks, etc)

In any event it's pretty cool what you can do when you've got a couple billion to invest in doing it.
 
i keep having this thought that it will make it into the next xbox console.. i dont know why, but that thought keeps popping into my head

 
I wonder if the litigation from Nvidia is slowing their plans? Possible they are working on work arounds in case they dont settle out of court or they outright lose in court?
 
Originally posted by: Idontcare
Originally posted by: Wreckage
Larrabee GPUs that have been publicly shown so far are "high-end ... extreme versions, I'll put it that way," Otellini said.
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Interesting indeed. My immediate speculation when I read that is that Intel was brandishing either a 96 or 128 core Larrabee.

Perhaps a special high-end version created for limited production volume to satisfy their corporate accounts at the render houses where ASP supports the GM requirements? (dreamworks, etc)

In any event it's pretty cool what you can do when you've got a couple billion to invest in doing it.
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What would makes you think this? You're saying the sampled versions are 96 or 128 cores? Did you miss the earlier bit from Peddie saying, "he expected Intel to match ATI and Nvidia's lineup and roll out four versions of Larrabee, in 8-, 16-, 32-, and 64-core versions." Perhaps he's just being cautiously optimistic in thinking he might actually be held accountable for his statements? Or maybe he has some credible information from sources that we don't (although it does seem to jive with just about every other published report on Larrabee).

While it may be possible for a 96/128 core version in that time frame, that would almost certainly guarantee a need for 32nm, which means Intel would be ramping production on a new process for both their CPUs and GPUs. Given current die size estimates of 600mm^2 at 45nm, a similar or larger size die with 2x as many cores at 32nm would severely constrain or even cripple their projected roadmap CPU production.

In any case, it does seem like the current sampled versions of Larrabee aren't competitive with Nvidia and ATI with their current transitor and core budgets (presumably 45nm, 64 core and 600mm^2):

  • Abrash at GDC on Larrabee

    Abrash said that Larrabee isn?t likely to be as fast at raw graphics performance as other graphics chips, but it is power-efficient and flexible. It?s just another day in the graphics chip war.
 
Originally posted by: IlllI
i keep having this thought that it will make it into the next xbox console.. i dont know why, but that thought keeps popping into my head
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IIRC, the rumors are that MS will continue their relationship with ATI for the next Xbox, but that Sony's next PlayStation might be Intel based.

Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Originally posted by: Phynaz
How is this news?

It's always been late 2009/early 2010.
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Now it's no longer late 2009 silly.
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I don't think it got "pushed back" per se, just that the original time frame was not concrete:

Jon Peddie of Jon Peddie Research said that schedule was "totally in keeping with all the forecasts, winks, leaks, and other comments."
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i'm willing to wait till 2010 for a great GPU from Intel. If they're gonig to do it right, do it right the first time. I believe that intel will do a great job creating their first discreet gpu.
 
Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
i'm willing to wait till 2010 for a great GPU from Intel. If they're gonig to do it right, do it right the first time. I believe that intel will do a great job creating their first discreet gpu.
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This isnt their first discrete GPU. The infamous i740 was their first attempt and it wasnt all that great. They didnt do a follow up.
 
Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
i'm willing to wait till 2010 for a great GPU from Intel. If they're gonig to do it right, do it right the first time. I believe that intel will do a great job creating their first discreet gpu.
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I think it might be a good (better than ATI or nVidia at this point) GPGPU but I'm not so sure it'll be more than middle of the road at best for graphics performance. I think it'll be an interesting product but it's likely something to get Intel's feet wet more than challenging the status quo.
 
Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
i'm willing to wait till 2010 for a great GPU from Intel. If they're gonig to do it right, do it right the first time. I believe that intel will do a great job creating their first discreet gpu.
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From the perspective of many who work or research in computer architecture (like I do), there are some very serious doubts whether Larrabee can achieve similar throughput/area or the compatibility of certain microarchitecture features (such as the combination of ring-bus with mutally exclusive L2 subsets) with a programming model (either traditional raster based or ray-trace) appropriate for graphics.

I think Nvidia maybe onto something here; it's the one area where they may have a chance in knocking a giant like Intel flat on its back.
 
Originally posted by: Idontcare
Originally posted by: Keysplayr
Originally posted by: Phynaz
How is this news?

It's always been late 2009/early 2010.
Click to expand...

Now it's no longer late 2009 silly.
Click to expand...

Yep, to put it into earnings release analogy Intel has "narrowed its guidance, moving the average expected result upwards but still within the confines given by previous guidance".

Originally posted by: Wreckage
Larrabee GPUs that have been publicly shown so far are "high-end ... extreme versions, I'll put it that way," Otellini said.
Click to expand...

Interesting indeed. My immediate speculation when I read that is that Intel was brandishing either a 96 or 128 core Larrabee.

Perhaps a special high-end version created for limited production volume to satisfy their corporate accounts at the render houses where ASP supports the GM requirements? (dreamworks, etc)

In any event it's pretty cool what you can do when you've got a couple billion to invest in doing it.
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I've mentioned this before, but it bears mentioning again. Intel is spending billions right now while most companies (probably even ati and nvidia) are scaling back r&d. As we work our way through this recession and get to the other side, intel is going to come out in an even more dominant market position, plus they're probably going to be a more serious gpu player in a shorter period of time. My personal (not very scientific) prediction is that amd won't be able to compete but nvidia will fight on.

 
why can't amd compete? they have similar CPU R&D facilities just like intel. if Intel's GPU innovations work well, amd/ati can learn from it and copy and improve. nvidia has the followers in the market and has their own little fan club, but nvidia does not have the cpu facilities and r&d departments that AMD and intel have.

 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
i'm willing to wait till 2010 for a great GPU from Intel. If they're gonig to do it right, do it right the first time. I believe that intel will do a great job creating their first discreet gpu.
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This isnt their first discrete GPU. The infamous i740 was their first attempt and it wasnt all that great. They didnt do a follow up.
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The i740 wasn't really Intel's attempt. It's merely a rehash of the GPU created by the company they gobbled up. But Larrabbee will be their real in-house project. Let's not look back to i740 and IGPs and compare to Larrabbee. It's like predicting how Sandy Bridge will be looking at how Netburst(Pentium 4) CPUs did.

Idontcare: I doubt they can make up a 128 core version. I don't know if you have seen it but the very first leaked documents of Larrabbee had 24 cores. It's definitely more now but I'm not sure if they'll even reach 64 cores.
 
Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
why can't amd compete?
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I can think of 2 reasons.

1.) They don't have any money and they are still taking a loss every quarter.
2.) They really are not doing much with GPGPU at all. Not to mention their highest end GPU is at best tied for third overall performance wise.
 
I don't understand why the NV guys hate on the Larrabee so much. It's new tech and will give us all better hardware if it's the real deal.
 
Originally posted by: IntelUser2000
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
i'm willing to wait till 2010 for a great GPU from Intel. If they're gonig to do it right, do it right the first time. I believe that intel will do a great job creating their first discreet gpu.
Click to expand...

This isnt their first discrete GPU. The infamous i740 was their first attempt and it wasnt all that great. They didnt do a follow up.
Click to expand...

The i740 wasn't really Intel's attempt. It's merely a rehash of the GPU created by the company they gobbled up. But Larrabbee will be their real in-house project. Let's not look back to i740 and IGPs and compare to Larrabbee. It's like predicting how Sandy Bridge will be looking at how Netburst(Pentium 4) CPUs did.

Idontcare: I doubt they can make up a 128 core version. I don't know if you have seen it but the very first leaked documents of Larrabbee had 24 cores. It's definitely more now but I'm not sure if they'll even reach 64 cores.
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I actually thought that the i740 was supposed to be quite good; about as good as whatever 3DFX had on the market at the time. Sure it was a little late, but it was competitive and AFAIK it was a high-end part.
 
Originally posted by: Wreckage
Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
why can't amd compete?
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I can think of 2 reasons.

1.) They don't have any money and they are still taking a loss every quarter.
2.) They really are not doing much with GPGPU at all. Not to mention their highest end GPU is at best tied for third overall performance wise.
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AMD is competing just fine. It wasn't that long ago that their 4870X2 was the fastest single card on the market. Not only that, but their 4890 comes very close to NV's best and is significantly cheaper. I noticed someone got one for $184 the other day. What's the best card NV has for $184?
 
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