No improvements for you says the Union

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ShawnD1

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May 24, 2003
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Evidence?
I'm not sure what you're arguing. Are you saying home schooled kids DO have gym teachers (their parents yell at them to run laps around the house) or are you arguing that home schooled children are not ok?
 

jteef

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the answer is to do it anyways and video it. make it like a feel good story for your community. if the union tries shit, vilify them in the papers, local television stations, and most importantly, 4chan.
 

JeepinEd

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Dec 12, 2005
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Are these shelving units free standing? If they are make them and make them a donation to the school system and the union maintenance guy installs them. I'm sure the union does not make all the tables, chairs, and file cabinets.

This. We had the same issue with our son, when he was in primary school. My wife and I decided to build a free standing rack, with rollers and left it by my son's teacher's door (she knew about it). It's still being used.

That same year, we noticed the most of the computers in my son's room didn't work. I offered to fix them, at no charge, and while at first the principal was all for it, she later told us that the union would not allow it. The work order to fix the computers was put in the year before, and they were half way through the new school year, when I took notice. With the aid of my son's teacher, those computers mysteriously started to function. One would disappear and a couple of days later, it would reappear. It took me a while, but I got them all done.
The year ended, and the tech guy still had not made it in.
 

paulney

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Sep 24, 2003
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No, the units are not freestanding - they are bolted to the wall. So they can't be flipped, carried away or anything of the sorts.
 

paulney

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That same year, we noticed the most of the computers in my son's room didn't work. I offered to fix them, at no charge, and while at first the principal was all for it, she later told us that the union would not allow it.

Yep, I was fixing computers in the classroom last year as well. Nobody other than the teacher knew about it, and it was for the better.
 

TehMac

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YOU SELFISH CAPITALIST PIG, HOW DARE YOU TRY TO TAKE WORK FROM UNIONIZED WORKERS, EVIL CORPORATE PIG, BLAAAAH!!


/nonsensical babble inherent in conversation with Leftists.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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Jan 24, 2004
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That's retarded. If you treat your people like shit, they leave. Even really shitty jobs like McDonalds, they'll still leave and go work at Wendys if the manager there is better.

I haven't seen a fast food place people were flocking to work at. When all the places treat their workers like shit there's no place for them to go. It's best business practice in these places best interests to collude in this not compete with each other. They're not competing for the best burger flippers to attend to their stores; not that I'm saying fast food places need to unionize mind you.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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My daughter goes to an elementary school around San Jose. Being a California school, the buildings are just small wooden sheds that hold one classroom each. There are no covered areas, the doors open straight to the playground.

Kids usually drop off their backpacks and lunch bags right in front of the door. In winter, when it rains, it means the stuff gets wet and icky. One of the buildings had a wooden shelf with hooks attached to the wall. Very simple construction, but serves its purpose nicely: you can now put the lunch bags on the shelf and hang your backpack on the hook.

I noticed that other classrooms (5 of them) did not have it, so I thought: the school probably has no extra money for this, why don't I make the shelves for them. So, I measured the existing shelf, drew a sketch and talked to the principal and the teaches. They were all psyched - the shelf was installed by the district, and the school indeed did not have any money for more. They teacher who had the shelf told me she bugged the district forever to get even this one installed, so if I could make the rest - it'd be like a gift from heaven.

So, I'm practically ready to go by the wood and hooks when the principal says: "hold on, let me run this by the maintenance guy".

Uh-oh.

Two days later he comes back to me and says: "Sorry. No can do. If you do this, you take away work from the unions, and they will file a grievance with me." Me: "but you don't have the money to have the unions do it either!" Principal: "That's right. Well, they will eventually do it, it just won't be as quick if you did it". Which means: no shelves for another year at least.

This is fucked up. The Union is so expensive, the school can't afford a simple wooden shelf, yet the Union won't let anyone else do it even for free!

Ffuuu....

yep this x1000.

fuck unions. in the ass.
 

waggy

No Lifer
Dec 14, 2000
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yes some schools are underfunded. my kids school had the trasportation budget cut in half last year. then this year they were told its getting cut by a 1/3rd. since its a school that serves a very rural area most ride the bus.

But thehy also waste a LOT of money. they are planning on spending (new numbers from last meeting shot up) $700-800k on a windmill. They are takeing money from everything they can to make it.

They used to get workbooks for the kids. this year everything is xeroxed (don't see that beign cheaper really), they need to replace 2 boilers but putting it off (last year they went out for 2 weeks), and have heared that the FBI is looking intot he finances (though again thats rumour so who knows)

its a pitty too. the schoool was #2 in the county, the kids are far above where theys hould be. but the admistration does some silly stuff. oh the kindergarden class had 6 kids. i guess they can have a min of 7 kids or the state can refuse payment for the teacher. So he held back 2 hispanic kids
 

stargazr

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Someone mentioned that there was a time when unions brought about good changes but that they have gotten way out of hand. I agree with that.

When I worked in manufacturing I took a tour of a union company in Philadelphia (Budd Co, they did stamping for Ford at the time). I couldn't believe it, there were guys sleeping all over the place. I mean laying down on piles of flat stock in a dead sleep. My friend's dad said there was nothing they could do about it. Most of the guys were working hard but.....wow.


Boeing was denied in their plans to put up a factory (non-union) in South Carolina earlier this year. The Labor Board said it would be wrong to deny the workers the right to strike. So they stopped the whole project.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/21/business/21boeing.html
 

lykaon78

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Sep 5, 2001
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I'm constantly surprised about how this board can be so overtly liberal on some issues (religion) and so overtly conservative on others (unions; ala this thread).
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
Sep 21, 2002
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No, our public education isn't underfunded, we just aren't using the money efficiently.

prove it

where is this sh*tty elementary school where childrens are taught in shacks anyways?

cost of living in sj is high, and teachers are not known for high salaries in california.

the schools face cuts year on year out, from elementary to the higher educational system, so your bs about funding being fine is total nonsense. if you looked at how much it cost previous generations to go to top California universities you would not believe your eyes at how cheap it used to be. there is massive underfunding going on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Master_Plan_for_Higher_Education
This was the plan, and it got gutted over the years as tax cuts were deemed more important than investing in the future.
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
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What kind of school is this?! Your OP reads like it's from 1870 :^D
 

Rage187

Lifer
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I'm constantly surprised about how this board can be so overtly liberal on some issues (religion) and so overtly conservative on others (unions; ala this thread).

It's the same reason we make fun of geek squad. Only stupid people need them.
 

BladeVenom

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Jun 2, 2005
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I'm constantly surprised about how this board can be so overtly liberal on some issues (religion) and so overtly conservative on others (unions; ala this thread).

Because it's so obvious that public sector unions are a bad idea. Taxpayers are forced to support them, and their is no competition or choice.