No improvements for you says the Union

paulney

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My daughter goes to an elementary school around San Jose. Being a California school, the buildings are just small wooden sheds that hold one classroom each. There are no covered areas, the doors open straight to the playground.

Kids usually drop off their backpacks and lunch bags right in front of the door. In winter, when it rains, it means the stuff gets wet and icky. One of the buildings had a wooden shelf with hooks attached to the wall. Very simple construction, but serves its purpose nicely: you can now put the lunch bags on the shelf and hang your backpack on the hook.

I noticed that other classrooms (5 of them) did not have it, so I thought: the school probably has no extra money for this, why don't I make the shelves for them. So, I measured the existing shelf, drew a sketch and talked to the principal and the teaches. They were all psyched - the shelf was installed by the district, and the school indeed did not have any money for more. They teacher who had the shelf told me she bugged the district forever to get even this one installed, so if I could make the rest - it'd be like a gift from heaven.

So, I'm practically ready to go by the wood and hooks when the principal says: "hold on, let me run this by the maintenance guy".

Uh-oh.

Two days later he comes back to me and says: "Sorry. No can do. If you do this, you take away work from the unions, and they will file a grievance with me." Me: "but you don't have the money to have the unions do it either!" Principal: "That's right. Well, they will eventually do it, it just won't be as quick if you did it". Which means: no shelves for another year at least.

This is fucked up. The Union is so expensive, the school can't afford a simple wooden shelf, yet the Union won't let anyone else do it even for free!

Ffuuu....
 
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PricklyPete

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Don't worry. That school will slowly lose all of its students, go bankrupt, and that will show the unions who is boss. Oh wait...no it wont. Public service unions suck.
 

God Mode

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You should do it anyway. If they do anything to it, film the workers and tell the news that the union hates children.
 

paulney

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do it anyway

install them at night like a ninja

That's actually what I did before. Last year I brought a used LCD monitor to the classroom to replace one of the horrible CRTs they had.

Teacher says: "bring it to the office, please, they will install". Head to the office. They say: "oh, thank you so much. Please drop it off right here, our IT guy will install it. He comes to school regularly".

A week later my monitor still sits in the office collecting dust. I said: "fuck this", took the monitor to the classroom, installed it and dropped off the old CRT in the office. They were none the wiser. Sometimes you just have to take the action.
 

paulney

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can you make it a charitable donation?

I don't know how much it will cost through the unions. If I did it, it'd be around $40 per shelf for raw materials and my labor. All free to the school, of course. With the unions - who knows.

After hearing this, I don't want to give these leaches (union workers) one red cent.
 

waggy

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can you make it a charitable donation?

/this

come into class to volunteer your time to show the kids how to install a coat rack. make them measure and add and subtract.

now its a class project
 

Wyndru

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Yeah, this kind of stuff is bullshit. Unions are sometimes way too extreme in protecting their workers. We had a wire closet in a job I worked at, and if the light in there was turned off we were required to get a custodian to flip the switch so we could work in there. We couldn't do it ourselves.

It's a shame that you can't even help a place that is obviously in need of help because of this.
 

CPA

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lol, and to think there are still people out there that support unions.
 

God Mode

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Teach the kids how to mop floors and cut grass for extra credit. Now those scum have no jobs.
 

paulney

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/this

come into class to volunteer your time to show the kids how to install a coat rack. make them measure and add and subtract.

now its a class project

Interesting... I wonder if this could fly. I'll talk to the principal. They are all 1st and 2nd grade students, so this would fit perfectly. Thanks for the idea!
 

Anubis

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I don't know how much it will cost through the unions. If I did it, it'd be around $40 per shelf for raw materials and my labor. All free to the school, of course. With the unions - who knows.

After hearing this, I don't want to give these leaches (union workers) one red cent.

no i mean donate the finished product or do what waggy said
 
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While it's easy to villify unions in a case like this, it's really not the heart of the problem. The problem starts with legislators who underfund the public education system, which pretty much forces school administration to cut services like maintenance. The school administrators are often culpable themselves, as they are more interested in protecting their own salaries than in spreading the money around in places where it will more likely help the children. The maintenance guys are just watching their own asses; they probably WANT to install the racks for the kids, but their hands are tied by the budget crisis that they had absolutely nothing to do with. And while it's noble for you to volunteer to do the work for free, ultimately, that takes away from a job that they get paid to do. If someone came into your office and offered to do your job for free, you'd oppose it too if it meant that you wouldn't be paid.

So, yes, I agree that the situation is fucked up. But putting all the blame on the guys in the union and none on the people who control the money isn't fair. Increase the budget for the school district so they have more money to spend on "non-priority" services like maintenance and this problem never would have come up.
 

KB

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I wouldn't install it. I bet the union makes them take it down if you do. Thats how eff'ed up the unions can be. They will claim it wasn't made by union labor, thus is not safe for the children.
 

Bryf50

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Write or call a local newspaper or channel. I'm sure they'd love to pick up a story like this.
 

paulney

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I wouldn't install it. I bet the union makes them take it down if you do. Thats how eff'ed up the unions can be. They will claim it wasn't made by union labor, thus is not safe for the children.

Yep, the principal mentioned that, too. Everyone understands it's as safe as could be, far and far exceeding anything that these kids could apply to it (heck, adult with intentions wouldn't be able to rip this thing out), but it's not the point. Not made by the union workers.