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No High School degree? US EEOC and ADA to the rescue.

The way I read that article is that you would have to show that you don't have a diploma because of a documented learning disability. That means a diagnosis from a doctor and acknowledgement of your special circumstance on the part of your school in my book...

Joe blow who dropped out of high school because he wanted to smoke pot and spend all day shooting hoops is still SOL.
 
do you really need a diploma to be a truck driver, farm hand, lawn care, janitor, etc?

My 1st thought when I read the article is this may be another way to try and keep employers from hiring illegal immigrants.
 
Vic Vega said:
The way I read that article is that you would have to show that you don't have a diploma because of a documented learning disability. That means a diagnosis from a doctor and acknowledgement of your special circumstance on the part of your school in my book...
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I don't think that's the point of the article.

What I think it means is that, if I wanted to hire a janitor, I would not be able to reject an applicant just because the applicant has no high school diploma. (The point being that a janitorial job doesn't need a diploma, and the reason that they don't have, might possibly be because they have a disability).

The issue is that because some disabled people might not have high-school diplomas, the very act of asking for a high-school diploma where not absolutely necessary, could be regarded as discriminatory (whether an applicant is disabled or not).

Of course, if I could prove that job would require an employee with a high school diploma, that would be different - and I would be allowed to reject an applicant without a diploma.
 
Mark R said:
I don't think that's the point of the article.

What I think it means is that, if I wanted to hire a janitor, I would not be able to reject an applicant just because the applicant has no high school diploma. (The point being that a janitorial job doesn't need a diploma, and the reason that they don't have, might possibly be because they have a disability).

The issue is that because some disabled people might not have high-school diplomas, the very act of asking for a high-school diploma where not absolutely necessary, could be regarded as discriminatory (whether an applicant is disabled or not).

Of course, if I could prove that job would require an employee with a high school diploma, that would be different - and I would be allowed to reject an applicant without a diploma.
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I guess we just understand it differently.

I don't see a legal reason to restrict education as being a requirement for employment, unless of course you are disabled, in which case it would be illegal - but a potential employer, having been notified of your disability wouldn't ask for one - that is if this really is the law - that seems to be debatable.
 
coloumb said:
do you really need a diploma to be a truck driver, farm hand, lawn care, janitor, etc?

My 1st thought when I read the article is this may be another way to try and keep employers from hiring illegal immigrants.
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Not yet but in the future you will need a 4 year college degree for those jobs.
 
Employers could run afoul of the ADA if their requirement of a high school diploma “‘screens out’ an individual who is unable to graduate because of a learning disability that meets the ADA’s definition of ‘disability,’” the EEOC explained.
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Wondering if ADD/ADHD qualifies?
 
I had no idea you have to get a degree at the end of seconday school in America... Why is that don't you just automatically finish it at age 16...?
 
HAL9000 said:
I had no idea you have to get a degree at the end of seconday school in America... Why is that don't you just automatically finish it at age 16...?
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18, not 16; but what good would it be if it automatically occurred? Your age says nothing about your schooling.
 
Cerb said:
18, not 16; but what good would it be if it automatically occurred? Your age says nothing about your schooling.
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The way we do it here, is you automatically complete your schooling, but at the end you take your exams and get different qualifications with differing grades, you don't pass or fail secondary school, you pass or fail exams with grades A*-E.

So you leave your school with something like this:

Maths - A*
Science (Chemistry) - B
Science (Physics) - B
English (Language) - A
German - D
Art - C
ICT (Double Award) - B,B
General Studies - B
Philosophy and Ethics - A

etc.
 
Apparently OP needs more education because they cannot read.

This was an informal statement. Non-binding. It would take a long time before this is binding.
 
And even so, this would only apply to jobs that really don't need a high school education. Menial labor and such.

Its also not saying you have to hire people without a high school education. You just cannot list it as a requirement for jobs that don't really need it.
 
These decisions and "regulations" and "suggestions" do nothing except prevent employers from hiring the best candidate for the job.

They say that this is to prevent discrimination of mentally disabled people, thereby indirectly saying that if the company doesn't hire someone who is mentally disabled, they are in the wrong.

It's bullshit. In my own private company, I should be allowed to hire or fire whoever the fuck I please for whatever the fuck reasons I want. If I only want to hire Jews because I think they're good with money, then I should be allowed to. If I want to hire only blacks for my ball-busting business, I should be allowed to. If I hire only whites for my jewelry store, because it's my opinion that everyone else will try to steal from me, I should fucking be allowed to.

If I don't want to hire a mentally disabled person (who would likely increase my liability in any sort of accident), I shouldn't have to.
 
HAL9000 said:
The way we do it here, is you automatically complete your schooling, but at the end you take your exams and get different qualifications with differing grades, you don't pass or fail secondary school, you pass or fail exams with grades A*-E.
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Ultimately, subject-based scores are worthless (they exist in some areas, and there are now subject-based standards, but nobody outside of the related bureaucracies cares). All they measure is how well you can take that particular test. Whether your particular good score is due to learning the test, or learning the subject, is not discernible. Likewise, whether your particular bad score is due to being taught the test rather than the subject information, or being bad with the subject, is not discernible.

This is currently a major problem with our compulsory schooling system. Non-compulsory schools manage, however, because this creates a rather massive market for quality private aptitude testing companies, that primarily need to answer to institutions of higher education, and employers.
 
Vic Vega said:
The way I read that article is that you would have to show that you don't have a diploma because of a documented learning disability. That means a diagnosis from a doctor and acknowledgement of your special circumstance on the part of your school in my book...

Joe blow who dropped out of high school because he wanted to smoke pot and spend all day shooting hoops is still SOL.
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correct. the EEOC opinion does not change much, if anything.
 
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