Well, hopefully none of your friends of family work in any way related to the insurance company. Human are such foolish animals.
I was referring to after you're finished nationalizing (destroying) the health insurance industry... which industry is next?Originally posted by: dawp
health insurance
A good little commie should always plan ahead, right?
Engineer
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Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
I was referring to after you're finished nationalizing (destroying) the health insurance industry... which industry is next?Originally posted by: dawp
health insurance
You can just jump into whatever the next "bubble created" job is next. The value added jobs (i.e. making something instead of just selling back and forth to each other (service)) are going the way of the dinosaur. Jump on the next bubble and ride it to profit.
Stay away from trucking though. Just like the other industries that the free market is destroying (manufacturing, etc), it will be crushed when the Mexican trucks start rolling it. Also, the US port jobs (unloading and loading the ships) might be next as the Mexicans can now deliver from their cheap labor ports with their $1.50 per hour truck drivers.
Edit: Sorry, I thought the question was "What is the next industry destroyed by the free market". My apologies!
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Good luck with that -- he'll just keep parroting the same line in his usual overly emotional, alarmist style, regardless of what you tell him. He is from the "pass something, anything, regardless of how poor it is!" camp, which is the worst of all.
My favorite is the "costs aren't the problem" line, which strongly disagrees with what the CBO, Congress, and even Obama himself have said. He ignores articles like this this and this, which show the likes of Google and Apple having far larger profit margins than insurance companies. Check out the profits of the big pharma companies in the second link -- much, much higher than health insurance companies.
But, let's give shadow the benefit of the doubt. Allow me to play devil's advocate for a moment. Let's say shadow is onto something. Let's say his premise is correct and the root of the problem is high profits due to not insuring people with pre-existing conditions or even worse, dropping coverage of those who are deemed to "cost too much." Why exactly would it be necessary to completely destroy the system and institute something new that is a complete unknown and, according to the CBO, will do nothing to slow down the cost increases? The answer -- it is NOT necessary. What is necessary is limited reform aimed at correcting those specific issues.
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Nothing comes to mind immediately, but I'm willing to take suggestions.
Can you think of a necessary good or service that does not fit well into "perfect competition" like health care where there is a gigantic amount of costly inefficiency as a result, an industry where other nations that have socialized it get the goods or services for far, far less than the percentage of GDP that we're spending while getting better service?
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Thank you for your authentic heart-felt fecal-like jibberish that adds nothing of substance to this debate.
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Welcome back, Johinne.
We didn't miss your obfuscation and Bush ass-licking while you were gone.
Please don't let the P&N door hit you on your arse when you take your self-serving partisan lies, misdirection and out-right jibberish back to Freeper World and Clown Hall.
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Arent you in a fine mood this morning. Whats wrong...Obama not clean well enough before you licked HIS ass?
CADsortaGUY
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The government-run health insurance option favored by President Barack Obama is not essential to a healthcare overhaul as long as the final measure boosts competition, a top U.S. health official said on Sunday. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said a public insurance option was "not the essential element" of any overhaul, and non-profit cooperatives being considered by a Senate panel could also fulfill the White House goal of creating more competition on insurance.
Unfortunately the current bill does nothing for competition.
Oh and she's a Democrat too.
Unfortunately the current bill does nothing for competition.
Oh and she's a Democrat too.
WhipperSnapper
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What about broadband Internet? Isn't our Internet access supposed to be crappy compared to what is available in Europe and some other nations?
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Too bad there isnt a hybrid socially liberal Repub/Fiscally conservative Dem party.
Even if there was it wouldnt make a difference. That parties officials would be just as corrupt as the dems and reps when they get to Washington and start being paid off.
its not that either the reps or the dems are financially irresponsible - both have good ideas on how to go about things... the issue is, and always has been corruption. The reason everything the govt does is so expensive is because of paying off favors to the companies that support them... for example, company X pays off the campaigns of several congressman and senators that are in comittee rolls that oversee things in company X's area of industry and then in turn theydecide to purchase company X's products at rediculous rates. Like $1200 fire extinguishers and $400 toilet seat covers etc.
Senator to Obama: Without votes, push for reform is futile
Q: Since a large majority of the support for the current proposals is based on the creation of a "public option," will any of the supporters join the opposition if/when the Senate yanks it out of the bill?
Nope. There's simply too many other things in it that simply have to happen to drop support for it.
The only reason I can think of to drop support for the bill would be an extremely cynical one. If this health care bill doesn't pass, no health care bill will be passed for a long time. On one hand that could be a good thing, because our current system is headed for collapse... and when it does it would be much easier to implement the proven solution of a single payer system. On the other hand, it would be condemning lord only knows how many decent people to a terrible system for years or decades more. I can't in good conscience do that.
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I think its funny that Obama says the public option "is just one sliver" when in fact that false-its the very premise of whats being proposed. There isnt ANY reform in the bills at all. Insuring the uninsured is NOT reform. Its welfare.
Wrong. It was most certainly not the 'very premise' of what is being proposed, and much to my dismay Obama signaled from the very beginning that he was willing to drop that proposal to get what he wants.
In addition, since everyone is already treated for free at emergency rooms if they cannot pay, in some nominal sense everyone is 'insured' however crappy it may be, changing how that coverage works is most certainly reform. You have been told this dozens and dozens of times, yet every new post you make you seem to act like it has never happened. Why is this?
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I was going to ask if you read the bill, but I assume you have have (or as much as you can, same as me) and throughout the bill it is splattered with new coverage for the uninsured. That theme is (now was) woven into every part of the bill.
I was going to go on a link fest to prove my point, but the bill is essentially dead now, so it doesnt matter.
You're dodging, everyone is already covered at the emergency room. The only question that exists now is how to cover them most cheaply, so if you're mad about medical 'welfare', you're about 30 years too late... it's certainly not introduced in this bill, and to say otherwise is extremely dishonest.
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