No Fermi benchmarks / Price & TDP revealed

[OCGuy]

Short of the mark most enthusiasts had set - the people who this product is aimed at. It's coming six months later then it's closesest competitor, uses significantly more power (if the rumors are to beleived), has a lot more silicon and hundreds of milions more transistors, yet we're looking at 5-10% more performance? Seems pretty underwhelming.

5-10%? Where are you getting that? At what resolution? DX10 or DX11? Is this an average across all games that you have seen benchmarks on? Is this the stock version or OC'd version you are talking about? Which drivers were used in these benchmarks?

470 is looking about the same as a 5870, so I would doubt the next card up is only 5-10% faster.

 

[dguy6789]

Short of who's mark? It is going to be the most powerful GPU to date, so...

I like how you use the term GPU instead of video card when you say most powerful GPU to date to carefully hide the fact that the GTX 480 is a LOT slower than the 5970. You say most powerful GPU like it has any meaning. You might as well say it has the best power connectors. The GPU is not what we are talking about in this thread. What we are talking about are video cards. GPU is merely a component on a video card, just like memory or the PCB. You can't arbitrarily disqualify a card because it uses two GPUs instead of one. Consumers do not care about individual component stats. Consumers do not buy GPUs, they buy video cards. All that matters is how much you get for how much you pay.

It's going to deliver performance for a price that has already been available for over half a year. It brings nothing new to the table except an Nvidia sticker. The flagship Fermi is coming out 6 months after the Radeon HD 5970 debut and it won't be faster than it. That's plenty to qualify Nvidia missing the mark. It's R300 vs NV30 all over again.

 

[OCGuy]

I like how you use the term GPU instead of video card when you say most powerful GPU to date to carefully hide the fact that the GTX 480 is a LOT slower than the 5970. You say most powerful GPU like it has any meaning. The GPU is not what we are talking about in this thread. What we are talking about are video cards. GPU is merely a component on a video card, just like memory or the PCB. Consumers do not care about individual component stats. Consumers do not buy GPUs, they buy video cards. All that matters is how much you get for how much you pay.

It's going to deliver performance for a price that has already been available for over half a year. It brings nothing new to the table except an Nvidia sticker. The flagship Fermi is coming out 6 months after the Radeon HD 5970 debut and it won't be faster than it. That's plenty to qualify Nvidia missing the mark. It's R300 vs NV30 all over again.

Wait, so the 5870 misses the mark because the 295 was out way before it?

You can try and frame 480 V a dual-gpu solution that is going to cost a lot more and has a hard time fitting into cases, but im not putting them in the same bracket.

 

[tviceman]

That's a hard question to answer. Given the lack of cardinal utility, some might not be disappointed by that. I think I would, though.

If I had to choose, I'd much rather see better performance in future titles and new graphical features than past titles which 95% of the time are already performing at a level > 60 fps.

But again I'm just speculating and going on a hunch that games coded to take advantage of DX11 will run better on GF100.

 

[SlowSpyder]

5-10%? Where are you getting that? At what resolution? DX10 or DX11? Is this an average across all games that you have seen benchmarks on? Is this the stock version or OC'd version you are talking about? Which drivers were used in these benchmarks?

470 is looking about the same as a 5870, so I would doubt the next card up is only 5-10% faster.

In the OP: http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-geforce-gtx-480-final-specs--pricing-revealed/8635.html

Not the first time I've heard the 10% number mentioned. You'll have to ask the author of that article on the specific on the numbers.

Again, going by the current rumors since that's all that we have to go by. It seems Nvidia doesn't want to talk about the performance of this part for some reason.

 

[Lonyo]

Wait, so the 5870 misses the mark because the 295 was out way before it?

You can try and frame 480 V a dual-gpu solution that is going to cost a lot more and has a hard time fitting into cases, but im not putting them in the same bracket.

If it doesn't fit in your case, you aren't an enthusiast. An enthusiast would have a case bit enough for a long graphics card like the HD5970, and wouldn't care about the length.

 

[1h4x4s3x]

If it doesn't fit in your case, you aren't an enthusiast. An enthusiast would have a case bit enough for a long graphics card like the HD5970, and wouldn't care about the length.

I see what you did there.

 

[MrK6]

An enthusiast would have a case bit enough for a long graphics card like the HD5970, and wouldn't care about the length.

Yeah, an extremely boring and conservative one.

 

[cbn]

Wait, so the 5870 misses the mark because the 295 was out way before it?

Yeah, but HD5870 is a much lower power usage card.

Comparing 480 GTX 512 to HD5970 seems like a better comparison. They are within 1 watt of each other.

 

[Silverforce11]

The 470 only a bit better than a 5850 despite doubling shaders over a gt200 is probably due to the other functions being more or less the same, or even worse. Texturing units and ROPs are very important.

It seems more to be that the architecture was meant for HPC work where shaders are more important, so the shader:rop/tmu ratio don't need to be optimal for gaming performance.

 

[SlowSpyder]

The 470 only a bit better than a 5850 despite doubling shaders over a gt200 is probably due to the other functions being more or less the same, or even worse. Texturing units and ROPs are very important.

It seems more to be that the architecture was meant for HPC work where shaders are more important, so the shader:rop/tmu ratio don't need to be optimal for gaming performance.

Yea, one of the rumor sites mentioned that Nvidia was originally going to go with two chips, one for HPC and one for GeForce. The GeForce chip didn't work out for some reason, so the HPC chip had to pull double duty. I don't know how much truth there is to that or not, but given the HPC additions to this GPU and the rumored performance as a graphics card, it's not too hard to imagine there might be some truth to that.

 

[thilanliyan]

Short of who's mark? It is going to be the most powerful GPU to date, so...

So you're saying it will beat a 5870 in EVERY SINGLE game/benchmark? If it does, kudos to nV considering all the negative press Fermi has had.

 

[Capt Caveman]

NVIDIA Fermi GTX 480, GTX 470 Details Emerge

Cards promise about 10% better performance than comparable ATI parts

AMD and NVIDIA are always fighting it out for market share in the video card market. The competition between the two companies in the video card and GPU market is often likened to the competition between AMD and Intel in the CPU market.

NVIDIA has been working on its next generation Fermi architecture for a while now. We got a few details on the Fermi GPU back in January. NVIDIA reported in January that it was in mass production with Fermi GF100 chips and claimed that the new cards would blow AMD away. In February, NVIDIA reported that the first cards to use the Fermi architecture would be the GTX 480 and the GTX 470. The GPU firm offered no firm specs on the cards at the time.

Now, the specs and pricing for the GTX 480 and 470 video cards has been revealed reports VR-Zone. According to the publication, the cards are set to launch on March 26 and an official picture of the GTX 480 has been leaked. The GTX 480 video card promises a core clock of 700MHz, shader clock of 1401MHz, and a memory clock of 1848MHz. The memory interface will be 384-bit and the card will have 1536MB of RAM and a 250W TDP. The card will sell for $499, which is typical for a new high-end card.

The GTX 470 will offer a core clock of 607MHz, shader clock of 1215MHz, and a memory clock of 1674MHz. The card will have a 320-bit memory interface and 1280MB of RAM. The TDP is said to be 225W and the card will sell for $349. According to early benchmarks, the GTX 470 is claimed to be 5-10% faster than the ATI HD 5850 with a similar lead for the GTX 480 compared to the Radeon HD 5870.

Plans for dual GPU Fermi cards are also in the works.

 

[MrK6]

So you're saying it will beat a 5870 in EVERY SINGLE game/benchmark? If it does, kudos to nV considering all the negative press Fermi has had.

Even then, that's the least I would expect. I mean hell, they have 100W more power to play with. If you overclocked a 5870 to 290W TDP and the GTX480 still beat it, that would be some sort of accomplishment.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Short of who's mark? It is going to be the most powerful GPU to date, so...

NVIDIA reported in January that it was in mass production with Fermi GF100 chips and claimed that the new cards would blow AMD away.

the GTX 470 is claimed to be 5-10% faster than the ATI HD 5850 with a similar lead for the GTX 480 compared to the Radeon HD 5870.

Sounds like Nvidia fell short of their own mark.

 

[Silverforce11]

All the news site are parroting each other.

Basically, Charlie announced a few months ago that performance will be roughly ~10% faster than ATI in most games used in benches, including dx11 games. He had stated that the 470 part will be 225W, and the 480 would be 275-280W with 480 shaders.. so far its about right given all the other confirmations and leaks now. I will be very surprised if the 480 has a tdp of 250W, given its 100mhz extra speed and more cores active and extra ram. All that for only 25W bump over a 470 is impressive.

IMO, it all depends on how well or if at all these cards can OC. A 5-10% gap is nothing when most 5850 are known to OC by 25%. IF the 470 can pull some decent OC, which is unlikely since its 2x6 pin 225W limit already hit, it will be priced competitive. Otherwise there's no competition for ATI in terms of price or performance even without factoring in power use.

 

[SlowSpyder]

And once again, no official reviews or benchmarks however if Fermi is only equal or slightly better at DX10 games, but is 23-30% faster in DX11 games, is it still a letdown?

This really reminds me of the Radeon 2900 launch. I remember all of the AMD fans thinking that somehow the 2900 would somehow be faster in DX10 then the 8800. We all know how that turned out.

All the news site are parroting each other.

Basically, Charlie announced a few months ago that performance will be roughly ~10% faster than ATI in most games used in benches, including dx11 games. He had stated that the 470 part will be 225W, and the 480 would be 275-280W with 480 shaders.. so far its about right given all the other confirmations and leaks now. I will be very surprised if the 480 has a tdp of 250W, given its 100mhz extra speed and more cores active and extra ram. All that for only 25W bump over a 470 is impressive.

IMO, it all depends on how well or if at all these cards can OC. A 5-10% gap is nothing when most 5850 are known to OC by 25%. IF the 470 can pull some decent OC, which is unlikely since its 2x6 pin 225W limit already hit, it will be priced competitive. Otherwise there's no competition for ATI in terms of price or performance even without factoring in power use.

Yea, if Fermi is 5-10% faster on average and is limited in overclocking headroom (seeing as it's rumored to be quite hot and power hungry, I wouldn't be shocked if that's the case) I don't see much changing. It seems like 1GHz overclocks are the norm with 58xx cards and a voltage bump. Most people who buy this level of card are knowlegable in tweaking/overclocking their hardware. I still see AMD's parts being the choice for most enthusiasts for these reasons (assuming Fermi doesn't overclock well).

 

[blanketyblank]

There's an update changed their figures.
They are reporting 480 SP for 480 now and TDP of 250.
There's supposedly a 512 SP model coming, but that won't be the 480.
All in all, you can't really say Charlie has sources or not with such messed up info this close to the now supposed to be launch date.

 

[Zebo]

10% faster "internally" is embarrassing for as long as it took, size & power. ATI should be able to counter for parity fairly easy. Well nV will selll a lot because they have a good rep but I'm sticking with my old HW for now.

 

[ZimZum]

You can try and frame 480 V a dual-gpu solution that is going to cost a lot more and has a hard time fitting into cases, but im not putting them in the same bracket.

I'd wager that the street price for the 480 will be pretty close to the going rate for 5970 if not higher.

 

[evolucion8]

Short of who's mark? It is going to be the most powerful GPU to date, so...

There are no official benchmarks, and they are already quoting percentages.

There's no official benchmarks and then you are already quoting tittles as the most powerful GPU to date, so...

 

[Grooveriding]

I'd wager that the street price for the 480 will be pretty close to the going rate for 5970 if not higher.

I can't see that being the case. People who buy this sort of hardware know about what's out on the market.

You'd have to be a damn fool the pay the price of a 5970 for the 480.

 

[Lonyo]

I can't see that being the case. People who buy this sort of hardware know about what's out on the market.

You'd have to be a damn fool the pay the price of a 5970 for the 480.

Have you seen some of the people who post on these boards?
By the way they talk, they would buy two with each costing more than an HD5970.

 

[Lonyo]

There's no official benchmarks and then you are already quoting tittles as the most powerful GPU to date, so...

Maybe he means how much power it will use
/troll

 

[Paratus]

I'm actually curious and not trying to troll, but is anyone dissapointed that the 480 doesn't come with the full 512 shaders?

It seems to me that if the HPC or Quadro market is the only one to see the full chip then this shows where NVs bias lies - and it's not with the GeForce line.....