No Fermi benchmarks / Price & TDP revealed

[1h4x4s3x]

At least not on the 26th.

Even if it hasn't been entirely decided yet NVIDIA is expected to go through with the launch event of the GeForce GTX 400 series March 26 at PAX 2010, but there won't be any benchmarks. Specifications and prices will be revealed, but the media embargo with complete benchmarks and such won't be until March 29th, Monday the week following PAX.

http://www.nordichardware.com/en/co...vidia-moving-media-embargo-to-march-29th.html




Prices:

GeForce GTX 480 : 512 SP, 384-bit, 295W TDP, US$499

GeForce GTX 470 : 448 SP, 320-bit, 225W TDP, US$349

http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-geforce-gtx-480-final-specs--pricing-revealed/8635.html

 

[Genx87]

Prices dont look too bad actually.

 

[Lonyo]

So in what way will the 26th be a launch?
No reviews, no benchmarks, no cards... That's not a launch.

 

[Kuzi]

Keys should know about the NDA right? I thought he was going to release his Fermi vs 5870 benchmarks on the 26th :/

 

[Lonyo]

Prices dont look too bad actually.

They are pretty terrible.
$260 for the HD5850 at launch, 6 months later NV release something 5~10% faster and 30+% more expensive and consuming more power.
$380 for the HD5870 at launch, 6 months later NV release something 5~10% faster and 30+% more expensive and consuming more power.

Now OK, the prices for ATI have gone up, but that's because they have no competition. This is the NV competition, and we're ending up with higher prices for tiny performance improvements. That's terrible.

 

[Piotrsama]

OMFG... I can't believe this never-ending crap.
Get your act together, Nvidia.

 

[gorobei]

yeah those prices are not great for anyone. too high to make amd lower the price of cypress and the quantity of initial fermi(for the foreseeable 6 months) means the retail prices should hit $600 range on the 480

 

[Grooveriding]

Am I getting this right, they will be available and for sale on the 26th but no benchies till the 29th ?

Or announced on 26th and available for sale on the 29th ?

 

[gorobei]

potentially even worse. launch with no bench till 29th, and no retail till the 6th

 

[Genx87]

They are pretty terrible.
$260 for the HD5850 at launch, 6 months later NV release something 5~10% faster and 30+% more expensive and consuming more power.
$380 for the HD5870 at launch, 6 months later NV release something 5~10% faster and 30+% more expensive and consuming more power.

Now OK, the prices for ATI have gone up, but that's because they have no competition. This is the NV competition, and we're ending up with higher prices for tiny performance improvements. That's terrible.

For a new highend part 349 and 499 is fine. I cant help if AMD enjoys bleeding money. Being late is irrelevant once it is in the market.

 

[mm2587]

but amd isn't bleeding money. With a much smaller die size they will likely make about the same or more per chip then nvidia. Especially if amd's yield is significantly better then nvidia's as is rumored.

 

[Dribble]

How can you say prices look good or bad till you know how fast they are?

 

[Genx87]

but amd isn't bleeding money. With a much smaller die size they will likely make about the same or more per chip then nvidia. Especially if amd's yield is significantly better then nvidia's as is rumored.

Until recently the graphics division was losing money. Nvidia makes a lot of money. I think in the last qtr they made as much in profit as ATI had in revenues. ATI pricing their high end parts so cheap was done for one reason. An attempt to gain marketshare. If they werent outpaced 2:1 by Nvidia in the discrete market they would have priced them more in line with Nvidia. 349 and 499. Which isnt outrageous for the top end cards from each manufacturer. I remember just a few eyars ago the top end cards were 599 and 499. So excuse me while I dont proclaim any faux outrage at the pricing for these new high end parts.

 

[Voo]

Interesting TDP for the 480.. seems like Charlie got that more or less right.


And come on, if they have to delay the retail shippings, fine, but they could at least give us some benchmarks ~~

 

[Ares202]

If the prices are correct anything under 30% faster than cypress will be a failure. 6 months late, too expensive, and a bigger power usage than any other single gpu card sounds like R600 all over again to me

Also ATI's next Gen will be just around the corner when Fermi gets any real avaliability

 

[Genx87]

If the prices are correct anything under 30% faster than cypress will be a failure. 6 months late, too expensive, and a bigger power usage than any other single gpu card sounds like R600 all over again to me

Also ATI's next Gen will be just around the corner when Fermi gets any real avaliability

Only a failure in the eyes of anybody believing Fermi was going to be that much faster than a GTX 295.

 

[AdamK47]

So it is 512 SP then?

 

[crisium]

Disappointing relative to 2009's prices, but this is 2010 and we have been seeing price hikes for a while.

That's a good pricing on the GTX 470. I totally expect demand to inflate that, like it did for the 5850. It's only a bit more than the 5850's price level, but if we believe current leaked benchmarks it is faster at stock. 5850 is at $329 on Newegg, so unless the 470 actually performs = or less than the 5850 that will be a good buy... as long as they are in stock.

Even if 470 is = to 5850, I think many people will pay the Nvidia tax for Physx, CUDA, 3D Vision. $20 actually isn't a bad amount for the Nvidia tax when you're in the $300+ range. We saw the GTX 260 and 275 being at least $20 more than the 4870 and 4890, back last year.

 

[Madcatatlas]

Just one more rumor is what Im thinking.

 

[Daedalus685]

So it is 512 SP then?

That is what it says... Though I don't see the source on that. We will see. I always figured there would be a 512 shader part.. but rumours of late were that the first ones would be 480... shrug.

 

[eklock2000]

Am I getting this right, they will be available and for sale on the 26th but no benchies till the 29th ?

Theyre trying to sell all 8,000 cards before the benches are released!

 

[Lonyo]

Until recently the graphics division was losing money. Nvidia makes a lot of money. I think in the last qtr they made as much in profit as ATI had in revenues. ATI pricing their high end parts so cheap was done for one reason. An attempt to gain marketshare. If they werent outpaced 2:1 by Nvidia in the discrete market they would have priced them more in line with Nvidia. 349 and 499. Which isnt outrageous for the top end cards from each manufacturer. I remember just a few eyars ago the top end cards were 599 and 499. So excuse me while I dont proclaim any faux outrage at the pricing for these new high end parts.

NV don't just make graphics cards, AMD's graphics division, ATI, does.
Also there was a time when $400 was top end, not $650+. Both companies in the past have priced cards very high (X1900XTX, 8800Ultra), but they have also had $400 and under launches.
While $500 isn't outrageous historically, it's pretty bad considering it's $100/25% more than the HD5870 with nowhere near that much performance improvement being predicted, and a lot more heat/power use.
Plus ATI smacked everyone around with their low prices this and last generation (and kind of with the HD38xx cards too) compared to what had been typical of recent times.

 

[Genx87]

NV don't just make graphics cards, AMD's graphics division, ATI, does.
Also there was a time when $400 was top end, not $650+. Both companies in the past have priced cards very high (X1900XTX, 8800Ultra), but they have also had $400 and under launches.
While $500 isn't outrageous historically, it's pretty bad considering it's $100/25% more than the HD5870 with nowhere near that much performance improvement being predicted, and a lot more heat/power use.
Plus ATI smacked everyone around with their low prices this and last generation (and kind of with the HD38xx cards too) compared to what had been typical of recent times.

Heat and power is irrelevant for the majority of the targetted audience. Who is going to build a high end gaming rig then decide against a product becuase it uses more power and generates more heat???? Those decisions come into play in the OEM market.

Anyways we will have to agree to disagree on the intorductory pricing. 349 and 499 for their high end cards is reasonable given past pricing. If people decide the premium isnt worth it the price will fall inline with the ATI product. i suspect they will easily get away with it for a time period as demand outpaces supply.

 

[RussianSensation]

Prices dont look too bad actually.

Yes they dont. Then I read this:

"Internal benchmarks reveal that GeForce GTX 470 is some 5-10% faster than Radeon HD 5850." :thumbsdown:

Now those $270-$280 prices on 5850s in September of last year look like a "bargain". Historically speaking, we should already have 5870 at $300 by now, 6 months after release.

 

[Genx87]

Yes they dont. Then I read this:

"Internal benchmarks reveal that GeForce GTX 470 is some 5-10% faster than Radeon HD 5850." :thumbsdown:

And your point? Were you under some illusion these cards were going to be 30% faster or something?