No fat people allowed: Only the slim will be allowed to dine in public!

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: theknight571
Where's the proposal to stop selling cigarettes to smokers?

Don't they cost "us" alot of money too?

Cigarettes certainly should be outlawed. From an ex-smoker of 12 years, who now has a kid.

Newsflash: outlawing cigarettes won't stop people from smoking them. In fact, it'll probably make smoking cool again, just in time for your kid to start.

Newsflash: outlawing cigarettes would stop people from smoking them.

:laugh:

Because as we know, since something is illegal, people never do it.

:laugh: Some pretty piss-poor logic abound on these forums, often in form of the overbroad generality. You have made a logic 101 sort of error here, intimating that I'm wrong that outlawing cigarettes would stop (many, most or all) people from smoking them. You are a mite retarded if you think that as many people smoke pot today as would if it were legal.

You were talking about logical errors, yet you make a comparison between cigarettes and weed?

Comparing one of the least addictive drugs on the market with a product that has been claimed to be as addictive, if not more, than heroin. Not to mention a product that is completely ingrained in our society. Hell, even if you want to compare it to weed, go walk around a college campus on a weekend. You'll be surprised from a strange aroma in the air. Legality be damned, it is absolutely rampant on college campuses.

Like ShotgunSteven said, let's compare it to prohibition. Oh wait, now that didn't work very well, did it

And it's pretty easy to see that you're just one of the bandwagon anti-smoking people.

Because if you actually gave a shit about the health of people, you'd ban all manufacturing and distribution of tobacco products.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: theknight571
Where's the proposal to stop selling cigarettes to smokers?

Don't they cost "us" alot of money too?

Cigarettes certainly should be outlawed. From an ex-smoker of 12 years, who now has a kid.

Newsflash: outlawing cigarettes won't stop people from smoking them. In fact, it'll probably make smoking cool again, just in time for your kid to start.

Newsflash: outlawing cigarettes would stop people from smoking them.

it would stop a very small amount of people from doing it. But it is fact outlawing something does not stop it from happening.

look at prohibition, "war on drugs", etc.

only thing it would do is waste al ot of money in a diffrent way and make criminals out of honest people.

 

[punchkin]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: theknight571
Where's the proposal to stop selling cigarettes to smokers?

Don't they cost "us" alot of money too?

Cigarettes certainly should be outlawed. From an ex-smoker of 12 years, who now has a kid.

Newsflash: outlawing cigarettes won't stop people from smoking them. In fact, it'll probably make smoking cool again, just in time for your kid to start.

Newsflash: outlawing cigarettes would stop people from smoking them.

it would stop a very small amount of people from doing it. But it is fact outlawing something does not stop it from happening.

look at prohibition, "war on drugs", etc.

only thing it would do is waste al ot of money in a diffrent way and make criminals out of honest people.

It would stop a great deal of people from doing it, in fact probably almost all due to differences with other drugs and the higher prices a ban would cause. People don't get high from cigarettes, and cigarette use is getting less popular all the time.

Marijuana, which is by far the most popular illegal drug (and would be far more popular than expensive illegal cigarettes), has been largely marginalized by the drug "war". Look up stats for marijuana use vs. alcohol use. And guess what-- marijuana gained a foothold in this country largely because of Prohibition.

 

[punchkin]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: theknight571
Where's the proposal to stop selling cigarettes to smokers?

Don't they cost "us" alot of money too?

Cigarettes certainly should be outlawed. From an ex-smoker of 12 years, who now has a kid.

Newsflash: outlawing cigarettes won't stop people from smoking them. In fact, it'll probably make smoking cool again, just in time for your kid to start.

Newsflash: outlawing cigarettes would stop people from smoking them.

Just like Prohibition stopped people from drinking! Yeah!

Prohibition did stop some people from drinking.

 

[imported_Baloo]

No, this is not for real, it's a hoax. Don't worry, you will be able to get service at the buffet.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Hooray for big government douche bag politicians.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Baloo
No, this is not for real, it's a hoax. Don't worry, you will be able to get service at the buffet.

err. no it it not a hoax. But i agree that there is no way it is going to pass.

just amazed at the waste of time and resources beingput into it.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: theknight571
Where's the proposal to stop selling cigarettes to smokers?

Don't they cost "us" alot of money too?

Cigarettes certainly should be outlawed. From an ex-smoker of 12 years, who now has a kid.

Newsflash: outlawing cigarettes won't stop people from smoking them. In fact, it'll probably make smoking cool again, just in time for your kid to start.

Newsflash: outlawing cigarettes would stop people from smoking them.

:laugh:

And the mice passed a law to bell the cat too...

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: theknight571
Where's the proposal to stop selling cigarettes to smokers?

Don't they cost "us" alot of money too?

Cigarettes certainly should be outlawed. From an ex-smoker of 12 years, who now has a kid.

Newsflash: outlawing cigarettes won't stop people from smoking them. In fact, it'll probably make smoking cool again, just in time for your kid to start.

Newsflash: outlawing cigarettes would stop people from smoking them.

Just like Prohibition stopped people from drinking! Yeah!

Prohibition did stop some people from drinking.

But not nearly as many as it encouraged to drink.

 

[punchkin]

Originally posted by: Vic
:laugh:

And the mice passed a law to bell the cat too...

Now I see the source of your reasoning. :laugh:

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: theknight571
Where's the proposal to stop selling cigarettes to smokers?

Don't they cost "us" alot of money too?

Cigarettes certainly should be outlawed. From an ex-smoker of 12 years, who now has a kid.

Newsflash: outlawing cigarettes won't stop people from smoking them. In fact, it'll probably make smoking cool again, just in time for your kid to start.

Newsflash: outlawing cigarettes would stop people from smoking them.

Just like Prohibition stopped people from drinking! Yeah!

Prohibition did stop some people from drinking.

But not nearly as many as it encouraged to drink.

not to mention the problems it caused.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: waggy

not to mention the problems it caused.

What problems? You mean the burgeoning of organized crime, increased use of more dangerous illicit drugs, increased tax payer burden, increased political corruption, and an increase in government spending with reduce income from taxes of liquor sales?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: Greenman
I don't believe it.

If, by some wild fluke, this is legit and becomes law, the Supreme Court will kill it when it gets challenged.

Under what? The Commerce Clause?

The ADA.

There are some problems with your idea, including the possible gap between obesity "as defined by the state" and obesity which may rise to the level of a disability under the ADA. Hence it could be only partially invalidated if at all. In addition, there is no guarantee that the Supreme Court would grant cert.

That's not a problem, because then there's the 14th Amendment. Then the CRA. And so forth.

And you bring up an interesting point about this possible gap. On what grounds do you propose to justify a level of obesity "as defined by the state" to deny people from eating in public restaurants that would be less than that constituting a level of disability under the ADA?
And what will be this "level" to be defined in the law? Pant size? Being visibly overweight? Or shall there be scales at the entrance of every restaurant in order to determine lawful admission to the establishment?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: Vic
:laugh:

And the mice passed a law to bell the cat too...

Now I see the source of your reasoning. :laugh:

That you're a transparent moron? You're not actually helping anyone, and you're only fooling yourself.
It's easy to pretend that you're solving the world's problems by proposing impossible and unfeasible remedies.
It's far harder to actually try to work towards solving the world's problems.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: theknight571
Where's the proposal to stop selling cigarettes to smokers?

Don't they cost "us" alot of money too?

Cigarettes certainly should be outlawed. From an ex-smoker of 12 years, who now has a kid.

Newsflash: outlawing cigarettes won't stop people from smoking them. In fact, it'll probably make smoking cool again, just in time for your kid to start.

Newsflash: outlawing cigarettes would stop people from smoking them.

Just like Prohibition stopped people from drinking! Yeah!

Prohibition did stop some people from drinking.

Some. It also made fortunes for those supplying the needs of the people that drank regardless. If people want it, they will get it, any belief otherwise is just happy feel good brain dead BS on your part.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: JasonCoder

Originally posted by: BigJ
Don't get too excited over this. Among the other bills being proposed is castration for those convicted of rape.

Probably chemical castration, and many places do that already. If it's not ze chemical version... :shocked:

Some places give the convicted a choice...

 

[punchkin]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: theknight571
Where's the proposal to stop selling cigarettes to smokers?

Don't they cost "us" alot of money too?

Cigarettes certainly should be outlawed. From an ex-smoker of 12 years, who now has a kid.

Newsflash: outlawing cigarettes won't stop people from smoking them. In fact, it'll probably make smoking cool again, just in time for your kid to start.

Newsflash: outlawing cigarettes would stop people from smoking them.

Just like Prohibition stopped people from drinking! Yeah!

Prohibition did stop some people from drinking.

But not nearly as many as it encouraged to drink.

... a negative number. Alcohol use declined during Prohibition. In any event, a parallel between Prohibition and a ban on cigarettes today would be absolutely asinine. Cigarette speakeasies? I mean, come on. It's a fool's "argument".

 

[punchkin]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
Some. It also made fortunes for those supplying the needs of the people that drank regardless. If people want it, they will get it, any belief otherwise is just happy feel good brain dead BS on your part.

Any parallel between cigarette smoking and any other drug use is just crack-smoking tripe on your part. Cigarette smokers need to feed their habit many times a day. Without the ability to do that, and a greatly increased price, and the danger of arrest, etc. cigarette use would decline greatly.

Many, many people want to quit already. It is common to try to quit many times before success.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: theknight571
Where's the proposal to stop selling cigarettes to smokers?

Don't they cost "us" alot of money too?

Cigarettes certainly should be outlawed. From an ex-smoker of 12 years, who now has a kid.

Newsflash: outlawing cigarettes won't stop people from smoking them. In fact, it'll probably make smoking cool again, just in time for your kid to start.

Newsflash: outlawing cigarettes would stop people from smoking them.

Just like Prohibition stopped people from drinking! Yeah!

Prohibition did stop some people from drinking.

But not nearly as many as it encouraged to drink.

... a negative number. Alcohol use declined during Prohibition. In any event, a parallel between Prohibition and a ban on cigarettes today would be absolutely asinine. Cigarette speakeasies? I mean, come on. It's a fool's "argument".

if you really think that you are a idiot.

 

[punchkin]

Originally posted by: waggy
if you really think that you are a idiot.

Ah, yes. Despite going on a century of intervening history, the greater acceptance by society then of alcohol use vs. tobacco use today, the greater ability of large-scale criminal conspiracies to operate quasi-openly then than today, the vast differences between alcohol and tobacco, the greater controls on corporations today which would make it nigh-impossible for people to smoke at work, and a host of other differences... I am "a idiot" for not realizing that in reality, the two situations are exactly the same.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I thought being fat for many people genetic makeup. So to take away the rights of chubby are we not infact going against the very foundation of the gay movement.

Stop chubbies but let homosexuality spread. It good for population control. Not that the USA cares about population control with 2 open boarders one to the north . People from south(USA) going to canada. People from south coming into USA. from Mexico.

Just exactly how open is the canadian border.Is it open to hispanics. I now I can move to Canada. But can they???

I didn't read who sponsered the chubby bill. IT had to be a Rep. cause it would go against the whole Democrate movement. I mean once you can prove there is a chubby gene. Than you have to go along with these people have No choice on amount of Food consumed. Its in their genes man . I have no self control . I have no choice . I didn't choose to eat the whinner . My genes removed that choice. ANY one that believes this stuff is just fooling themselves.

 

[TheVrolok]

Not a shot it'll pass for so many reasons. Just take how inaccurate BMI is as a measure. Heck, my BMI is somewhere between 28-30 at 6'2" 230-240 and I have a 36 waist which is hardly obese. Anyone who has an above average build is screwed.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Do not pass this! The fat will rise up against us! They have the weight advantage. Plus every linebacker in America probably has a BMI over 30.

 

[punchkin]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: Vic
:laugh:

And the mice passed a law to bell the cat too...

Now I see the source of your reasoning. :laugh:

That you're a transparent moron? You're not actually helping anyone, and you're only fooling yourself.
It's easy to pretend that you're solving the world's problems by proposing impossible and unfeasible remedies.
It's far harder to actually try to work towards solving the world's problems.

I'm not the one who misstated the facts. You have presented no logical argument. But you get high marks for knowledge of children's riddles and such. A ban on cigarettes is hardly impossible. (That's for you-- I am nothing if not compassionate.)

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: theknight571
Where's the proposal to stop selling cigarettes to smokers?

Don't they cost "us" alot of money too?

Cigarettes certainly should be outlawed. From an ex-smoker of 12 years, who now has a kid.

Newsflash: outlawing cigarettes won't stop people from smoking them. In fact, it'll probably make smoking cool again, just in time for your kid to start.

Newsflash: outlawing cigarettes would stop people from smoking them.

Just like Prohibition stopped people from drinking! Yeah!

Prohibition did stop some people from drinking.

But not nearly as many as it encouraged to drink.

... a negative number. Alcohol use declined during Prohibition. In any event, a parallel between Prohibition and a ban on cigarettes today would be absolutely asinine. Cigarette speakeasies? I mean, come on. It's a fool's "argument".

You're a moron. All factual studies and evidence show that alcohol use increased during Prohibition.

Originally posted by: punchkin

Originally posted by: waggy
if you really think that you are a idiot.

Ah, yes. Despite going on a century of intervening history, the greater acceptance by society then of alcohol use vs. tobacco use today, the greater ability of large-scale criminal conspiracies to operate quasi-openly then than today, the vast differences between alcohol and tobacco, the greater controls on corporations today which would make it nigh-impossible for people to smoke at work, and a host of other differences... I am "a idiot" for not realizing that in reality, the two situations are exactly the same.

No, you're an idiot for not being able to realize that those advancements occurred we did NOT choose the path of prohibition, and that prohibition would erase all of that and put us right back where we were.

But go ahead, keep pretending to yourself that you're saving the world with your perpetual knee-jerking... :roll: