No Dungeons and Dragons for you!

Bateluer

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http://www.ktar.com/index.php?nid=399&sid=1256528

I'd have more sympathy if he wasn't serving life for 1st degree murder, but the reasons why he can't play it are BS. Forming a gang around playing the game? What do you call the groups of players in sports games, which are allowed in prison? I say let the man play D&D, it'll keep him occupied with fantasy so he's not planning an escape, another murder, etc.

MADISON, Wis. (AP) - A man serving life in prison for first-degree intentional homicide lost his legal battle Monday to play Dungeons & Dragons behind bars.

Kevin T. Singer filed a federal lawsuit against officials at Wisconsin's Waupun prison, arguing that a policy banning all Dungeons & Dragons material violated his free speech and due process rights.

Prison officials instigated the Dungeons & Dragons ban among concerns that playing the game promoted gang-related activity and was a threat to security. Singer challenged the ban but the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Monday upheld it as a reasonable policy.

Dungeons & Dragons players create fictional characters and carry out their adventures, often working together as a group, with the help of complicated rules.

Singer, 33, has been a devoted player of the fantasy role-playing game since he was a child, according to the court ruling. After the ban went into effect, prison officials confiscated dozens of Dungeons & Dragons books and magazines in his cell as well as a 96-page manuscript he had written detailing a potential scenario for the game that players could act out.

Prison officials enacted the ban in 2004 after an inmate sent an anonymous letter expressing concern about Singer and three other inmates forming a "gang" focused around playing the game.

Singer was told by prison officials that he could not keep the materials because Dungeons & Dragons "promotes fantasy role playing, competitive hostility, violence, addictive escape behaviors, and possible gambling," according to the ruling. The prison later developed a more comprehensive policy against all types of fantasy games, the court said.

The appeals court said the prison's policy was reasonable and did not violate Singer's rights.

"After all, punishment is a fundamental aspect of imprisonment, and prisons may choose to punish inmates by preventing them from participating in some of their favorite recreations," the court said.

Singer was sentenced to life in prison in 2002 after being found guilty of first-degree intentional homicide in the killing of his sister's boyfriend. The man was bludgeoned to death with a sledgehammer.

Department of Corrections spokesman John Dipko said the department was pleased with the decision and will continue to enforce rules that are designed to maintain a safe environment.

Singer's court-appointed attorney, W.C. Turner Herbert of North Carolina, also did not immediately return a message seeking comment.
 

rudder

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Nov 9, 2000
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Singer was sentenced to life in prison in 2002 after being found guilty of first-degree intentional homicide in the killing of his sister's boyfriend. The man was bludgeoned to death with an enchanted sledgehammer +2.

brutal!
 

Robor

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They said he can't play D&D because it causes gangs? That's pretty stupid. Aren't prisons pretty much made up of gangs already?
 

StageLeft

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Sep 29, 2000
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Singer was sentenced to life in prison in 2002 after being found guilty of first-degree intentional homicide in the killing of his sister's boyfriend. The man was bludgeoned to death with an enchanted sledgehammer +2.

brutal!
Ah fvck it, you beat me to it. I shouldn't be surprised.
 

CPA

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Nov 19, 2001
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While I think it's somewhat silly to ban this but not religious material, I also find his arguments weak. To me, you lose most of your rights when in prison, one in particular is freedom of speech.
 

thraashman

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Apr 10, 2000
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The +3 Mace of holding was pretty good though.

I believe a sledge hammer would more likely be considered a War Maul. So it'd likely be a masterwork War Maul two-handed weapon. It'd be 1d10 damage + 1½ times strength, which on a D&D player probably isn't all that much.

And yes, their reasoning for not letting him play is utter crap. The reason for not letting him play should be "he's in fucking prison not a Carnival Cruise. he's being punished for murdering another human being and we can take away that which makes him happy just as he took life from someone else".
 

EXman

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Jul 12, 2001
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LoL My kids are watching the G rated cartoon series as I type this (snow day.)




The Dugeon Master says NO!
 

OutHouse

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Jun 5, 2000
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my enchanter on WoW would be happy to enchant his mace with lifestealing or maybe blackmagic.
 

Matthiasa

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They should ban basketball and other activities as well then. :p
No workout areas or anything either, some of them like that type of stuff.
 
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He wants his free speech and expression rights? Next he'll want the right to walk around outside of the prison and to drive a car and to go to the movies. He really should have thought about the loss of rights and freedom he might suffer before he committed murder.
 
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Don't really need anything to play, as long as you basically know the material. When I got into boot camp we started playing nights. Made some dice out of cardboard and went to it.
 

HumblePie

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Oct 30, 2000
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The decision was made for the wrong reasons, but the right decision was made.

This....


But as a side note, it should be mention that if they ban one recreational activity they should ban ALL of them in prison as well. By allowing some but not others is wrong.
 

werepossum

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So much for the gang that gets its asses kicked (or worse) in prison every day. We barely knew you.
 

Craig234

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He wants his free speech and expression rights? Next he'll want the right to walk around outside of the prison and to drive a car and to go to the movies.

If my recommedation to make logic class mandatory were followed, you'd know what a slippery slope fallacy is.
 

Hacp

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Jun 8, 2005
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I blame this on the psychologists and other social science "experts" who predict everything is bad for you except organic vegetables and solar power.