No dual core love in 2015

[lyssword]

I did a run-thru for 60 secs, starting at a small village and crossing a bridge. Compared reference r270 (925@1400) vs 270x speeds (1050@1500). Here are some results. Note: as it's not a fixed benchmark, there may have been more/less ai happening in any given bench, but I tried to keep roughly the same path and looked at same locations, shot the ground at same spots. Settings: 1080p high, AA off/trilinear buffering off/motion blur off.

 

[lyssword]

DX12 demo seems promising for Dualcores, I wonder if that can translate into real games too http://www.anandtech.com/show/8962/the-directx-12-performance-preview-amd-nvidia-star-swarm/4

 

[SPBHM]

DX12 demo seems promising for Dualcores, I wonder if that can translate into real games too http://www.anandtech.com/show/8962/the-directx-12-performance-preview-amd-nvidia-star-swarm/4

they only tested dual core with HT (4 threads),

 

[mohit9206]

I think the end is nigh for for dual core cpu.I think dual core is like dvd format and quad core is like Blu ray format.Like DVD, dual core is good enough and like blu ray, quad core is nice to have but not absolutely necessary. But that's changing as more and more games list quad core in the minimum requirements to run the game.As such by 2020,no AAA games will support dual core cpu anymore. Considering Steam hardware survey statistics 50% of active Steam users still run dual core cpu so the dual core market is still big. This is mostly due to laptops though but it is what it is. I don't think it would be wise for game companies to stop support for dual core cpu just yet.So i hope games like GTA V, Witcher 3, Metal Gear Solid V, etc support Pentium cpu. LONG LIVE PENTIUM !!!

 

[stockwiz]

good riddance? Personally haven't used a dual core CPU since something like 2008 or 2009 when I acquired a Q6600. Those who are still dual core should upgrade when skylake arrives... period.

 

[podspi]

good riddance? Personally haven't used a dual core CPU since something like 2008 or 2009 when I acquired a Q6600. Those who are still dual core should upgrade when skylake arrives... period.

Dual-Core is pretty standard on laptops, unless you have a large desktop replacement.

I imagine 2c/4t is super common these days.

 

[ninaholic37]

Those who are still dual core should upgrade when skylake arrives... period.

Good thing I own a single core instead. :awe:

LONG LIVE PENTIUM !!!

I agree, as long as you don't mean Intel's idea of calling Atom a Pentium.

 

[Dave2150]

I hope to see all games from this point forward require a quad core CPU. I don't care if it's a software block to stop the game running on dual cores, anything that makes people upgrade to a quad core is good for the industry.

Maybe then Intel will finally make I3's have 4C, I5's have 4C/8T and I7's have 6C/12T for the mainsteam platforms.

 

[Fred B]

Waiting for the single core cpu that has 3D Surrounding Gate Transistor that run 10 GHZ without getting hot :thumbsup:

 

[Dave2150]

Oh, just saw GTA5 requires a quad core to run, excellent news.

Should make quite a few people upgrade, further increasing the market share of quadcore CPU's

 

[TheELF]

Oh, just saw GTA5 requires a quad core to run, excellent news.

Yeah,a Q6600 quadcore, that is barely a modern celleron
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/474/Intel_Celeron_Dual-Core_G1820_vs_Intel_Core_2_Quad_Q6600.html

 

[mohit9206]

I hope to see all games from this point forward require a quad core CPU. I don't care if it's a software block to stop the game running on dual cores, anything that makes people upgrade to a quad core is good for the industry.

Maybe then Intel will finally make I3's have 4C, I5's have 4C/8T and I7's have 6C/12T for the mainsteam platforms.

Only if a game genuinely requires a quad core Cpu to run properly instead of artificially locking out dual core to make their game look advanced, only then i can support games requiring quad core as a minimum. If a game can easily run on dual core cpu yet the game company chooses to lock dual core cpu via in game check then its completely wrong and unfair.

Oh, just saw GTA5 requires a quad core to run, excellent news.

Should make quite a few people upgrade, further increasing the market share of quadcore CPU's

Don't worry. Someone will develop a hack enabling the game to run on dual core cpu.

 

[Dave2150]

Only if a game genuinely requires a quad core Cpu to run properly instead of artificially locking out dual core to make their game look advanced, only then i can support games requiring quad core as a minimum. If a game can easily run on dual core cpu yet the game company chooses to lock dual core cpu via in game check then its completely wrong and unfair.

Don't worry. Someone will develop a hack enabling the game to run on dual core cpu.

Fear not, if people modify their GTA5 game client to bypass the dual core lock, the game won't let them play multi-player, since the anti-cheat will detect modified game client files.

Most likely they'll get banned, and have to buy the game again.

Artificially locking out dual cores is a great way of forcing gamers to upgrade to quad core CPU's, and enables quad-cores to become the mainsteam much faster than otherwise possible.

Some people won't like it, those who want to run 800x600 and never upgrade, though quad cores are now so cheap than even those on very low incomes can upgrade easily.

Hopefully this time next year the steam hardware survey will show dual-cores to be almost completely eradicated for gaming.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Who says GTA V is actually locked. Plenty of games listing quads as minimum doesnt requires a quad. There is currently only 1 known game that is locked.

And a G3258 at stock clock is quite faster than a Q6600 using 4 threads.

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/53?vs=1265

 

[TheELF]

There is currently only 1 known game that is locked.

2 actually(that I know of) FarCry4 and dragon age inquisition,and both of them run quite merrily on just two cores.
(and not thaaat bad either even on the slowest current dual)
DA:I g1820
FarCry4 g1820

I believe that the software houses just tick the multicore checkbox the game engine comes with and have no idea how to fix any problem they might encounter.

I mean BF4 beta would not run on dual but dice, having a long history of actuall coding, fixed it before release.

 

[TheELF]

Some people won't like it, those who want to run 800x600 and never upgrade, though quad cores are now so cheap than even those on very low incomes can upgrade easily.

Only problem is that these cheap quads are actually worse for gaming than duals are.

 

[Dave2150]

Who says GTA V is actually locked. Plenty of games listing quads as minimum doesnt requires a quad. There is currently only 1 known game that is locked.

And a G3258 at stock clock is quite faster than a Q6600 using 4 threads.

http://anandtech.com/bench/product/53?vs=1265

I think everyone with a brain is aware that the G3258 is faster than the Q6600 even in multi-threaded applications.

I'm simply happy that games are starting to list quad-cores as the minimum required, and some are locking the game to prevent dual-core CPU's from working.

Hopefully GTA5 will lock it also, as well as other AAA games released in the future.

Once quadcores become the mainstream, there's hope for games to make use of more threads, and incentive for Intel to start including additional cores on their mainsteam CPU's.

Obviously this is just my opinion, you don't have to agree with it, feel free to keep supporting dual core CPU's for the remaining years of your life if you want

 

[ShintaiDK]

2 actually(that I know of) FarCry4 and dragon age inquisition,and both of them run quite merrily on just two cores.
(and not thaaat bad either even on the slowest current dual)
DA:I g1820
FarCry4 g1820

I believe that the software houses just tick the multicore checkbox the game engine comes with and have no idea how to fix any problem they might encounter.

I mean BF4 beta would not run on dual but dice, having a long history of actuall coding, fixed it before release.

Far Cry 4 isnt locked. It was removed long ago in a patch. Since consoles uses 0 and 1 for OS.

 

[BSim500]

I hope to see all games from this point forward require a quad core CPU. I don't care if it's a software block to stop the game running on dual cores, anything that makes people upgrade to a quad core is good for the industry.

Or more likely if someone's on a budget and doesn't want to change their rig, they'll just skip over / boycott the 1 or 2 broken games that refuse to run... Dual cores are fine for general non-gaming office / web box / older gaming, etc. See the bulk of slow sub 3GHz dual-core laptops which run most software (and to which the biggest bottleneck is usually the 5,400rpm HDD, not the CPU). If people find dual cores slow for modern gaming, they'll naturally upgrade in their own time on their own upgrade cycle. Demanding budget buyers overpay on their CPU by 100% out of a false sense of "because then Intel will slash i5 prices to $70 or give me 2x free cores" is plain naive. And "do what I say or else!" 'pushing on a string' threats rarely work for luxury items.

Hopefully this time next year the steam hardware survey will show dual-cores to be almost completely eradicated for gaming.

You're in for a long wait then considering a lot of those dual-core gaming rigs on Steam include most laptops. Are you volunteering to buy everyone a new quad-core laptop? That's real nice of you! :biggrin:

 

[Dave2150]

Only problem is that these cheap quads are actually worse for gaming than duals are.

Cheapest Haswell I5's significantly outperfrom the dual core CPU's.

Even looking at games released 1-2 years ago, such as BF4, utterly cripple dual core CPU's.

 

[cbn]

Even looking at games released 1-2 years ago, such as BF4, utterly cripple dual core CPU's.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37279088&postcount=173

 

[mohit9206]

Cheapest Haswell I5's significantly outperfrom the dual core CPU's.

Even looking at games released 1-2 years ago, such as BF4, utterly cripple dual core CPU's.

Windows Vista64 Bit Service Pack 2* (*NVIDIA video card recommended if running Vista OS)
So they still supporting Vista which according to Steam survey, less than 1% have installed while not supporting Dual core cpu which 50% have. This is ridiculous.

 

[nemesismk2]

i have been using a amd athlon x2 270 regor dual core cpu for about 3 years now. i have used it with some demanding games and it gives great performance.

 

[crashtech]

Cheapest Haswell I5's significantly outperfrom the dual core CPU's.

Even looking at games released 1-2 years ago, such as BF4, utterly cripple dual core CPU's.

Surprisingly, an i5-4430 is only about 15% faster than an i3-4370 in MT, but the 4370 is about 22% faster in ST. Call off the quad core police, 2C/4T can be a viable all-round solution for a while more.

 

[frozentundra123456]

The "dual core is dead" lobby needs to realize that maybe only 5% of the population is into graphically demanding gaming on the PC. (Just my personal guess, but I would bet pretty accurate.) In any case, a dual core is more than adequate for the vast majority of users. Heck, the market is even moving down to "quad core" celeron, pentiums, and cat cores, Axxx, whatever they are. (Not sure which is worse Intel's or AMD's naming system to try to slip small cores into the big core lineup.)

I find this more disturbing than people still running dual cores.

I also dont understand the sentiment of those who want to raise the bar artificially for minimum requirements for PC gaming. Why? What does it hurt someone if they have a quad core while someone else can still game adequately on a dual core. Personally, I have a quad i5, but I am adamantly against artificially locking out dual cores or making the game not run on them by lazy programming. I enjoy PC gaming and I would like for as many people as possible to be able to participate in the same hobby.

@crashtech: you are correct that an i3 is a dual core, but I think the "anti dual core" crowd really means a non-hyperthreaded dual core, although they are using the term improperly.