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No current bios allows for more than 1.55vcore on A8N SLI or MSI!

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housecat

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For me, 1003 and above have only let me go to 1.55vcore, only 1002 allows higher.

If you run asus probe or CPUZ, with any but 1002 as you raise the vcore past 1.55 it might jump to 1.58v but i have yet to get it to 1.6v for instance, without using 1002.

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EVERYONE SHOULD BE AWARE OF THIS FACT. 1.55VCORE IS SIMPLY NOT ENOUGH.

Even for air overclocks, I find 1.55 unacceptable. And the "magic bios" fix was not released this week as Asus claimed to Wesley Fink.

I am purchasing a DFI SLI. Anyone considering the Asus A8N should be aware and alerted to this, please pass it on.

This should be noted, or added to any Asus A8N reviews. I for one am greatly disappointed
I'm not even trading the Asus for the DFI to get a better overclock. I'm doing it because I think it will be a higher quality board for the long term.

Heres a breakdown on the NF4 boards and bios options-
ASUS, MSI- no voltage with new bios over 1.55vcore
DFI, Abit- over 1.55vcore available
Gigabyte and others- not known (so do your research on this if planning to buy one)
 
Some of the beta bios's like 1003.005 also had higher vcore settings in bios. But in my experience the higher settings didn't give higher readings with CPUZ or AI booster. They gave the same 1.57-1.58 max that I also get with the 1.55 setting in 1004. Actually the 1.65 setting in 1002 would lower the vcore to 1.50, but the 1.6375 gave 1.57-1.58.

And Clockgen NF4 shows the max to be 1.45, any higher settings don't take.

 
I saw one time on one of the bios updates that they had limited the cpu volt on winchesters to 1.55v because they "did not support high voltage"...

only one word came to mind when I read that, lame.


I wish we could at least get a newer bios like 1006 that offered the same OC ability as 1004.

for a while after coming back from trying 1006/1007beta that 1004 didnt work any longer in overclocking.. but lo and behold, the asus autoupdate bios program was reporting 1004, and putting 1006 on my PC!
same word came to mind, lame.

For me, the alt-f2 method has been the best for me.
just requires a floppy, which i would never be without anyway
 
let say you have a company that produce motherboard, and because you prefer stability, you decide to limit OC on your product. Because, when board crash when OCed, they are crap. And if they cannot allow high OC and remain stable at the mild oC they are running at, then they are OK board, but not very OCable.

Same board, different POV. DFI or MSI has board that can allow you to burn your CPU or corrupt your files if you want to. If that happen, who will you blame? That F*?&ing board is a crap OCer, is not stable, burn my chip and corrupt my files... I can understand why some company rather maintain their reputation of quality and stability than their OC reputation...


I'm not an Asus fan nor I like their product. But to be where thay are right now, they must have done something good.
 
1.6v, or 1.65v is not going to burn up an A64.
And I challenge you to find me one person who destroyed their CPU through overclocking that BLAMED the motherboard.
And that is a GENEROUS offer, as there are plenty of idiots out there and I'm sure there is one who has done this for you.

Regardless, the board still has a 1.55vcore limit.. and even if someone blamed the board it would only prove that persons idiocy.

But the hidden truth here (which I won't delve into because my purpose here is to only let ppl know about this), that there is something wrong with the Asus that they disabled this function.
Or their components are not high quality enough to even do it reliably!!!!! <- probably the truth.

And you missed the point that people dont even realize that its limited to 1.55vcore.
Is it wrong, or somehow does Asus require you and others to defend it?

No. Its just a simple fact about the board!

You sound very defensive considering that.

Simply put, it doesnt support above 1.55vcore! People that are puchasing boards DESERVE to know this!!!! Hence I (the humble enthusiast) found this out myself and hope to spare someone else interested in higher than 1.55v the trouble!

But then we have guys willing to jump into the fray, and defend Asus. When its not an attack on Asus at all (and who would defend a corporation anyway?), but its merely a fact about the board.
 
thats absolutely ridiculous
it appears to be a board limitation anyway according to what guitardaddy said, bios edits (which as stated, is absolutely absurd) wouldnt even fix it
 
Ridiculous? How? What I'm recommending is exactly what you are waiting for asus to do. Board limitation? Not likely. When you use a Newcastle, you are allowed higher vcore. What Asus did in the bios updates was include a check for the processor string---when a Winchester is found, it only allows the lower vcore settings in the bios. There are lots of bootleg bios around---written by geeks using a bios editor and compiler.

You ask for a resolution, i.e., higher vcore for better overclocks. My recomendation is probrably the fastest way of achieving that goal. Whining about it sure won't get you there. 😉
 
No. I didnt ask for a resolution.

Where did I ask for a resolution?

I'm telling people whats going on with this board, defending it by pointing to EDITED bios (which IS ridiculous), when ALL of their competition allows 1.55vcore+.

Oh, I'm sure EVERYONE ELSE is wrong for allowing over 1.55v?
I and most dont want to use a user edited bios to do this.. that is a horrible recommendation.

People should know about this. And they shouldnt buy the board, only to find out that any recent bios from Asus limits the vcore.
That IS ridiculous. And stupid that people are defending this with these crackpot ideas.

I'm not going to do it. I refuse to.
If you are going to be so adamant about this- then why dont you do it for everyone?

I just want people to know! They have a right to know.
Amazing how people will cuddle up to a corporation.. who sees you as a dollar sign.

I'd prefer to help my community, not defend Asus. Or offer dangerous solutions like Joe Sixpack's Bios Revision..

I'd want Joe Sixpack to be a software engineer that has done bios in the past.

And are you or Joe Sixpack going to edit EVERY SINGLE BIOS REVISION THAT ASUS COMES OUT WITH?

DIDNT THINK SO.
Its ridiculous and absurd, what you "offer".
 
Dude, you're getting way too hyped up over motherboard specs.

Relax.

No, it's not an amazing overclocking board. Oh well. Buy something else. People seem to think that if they don't get a good overclock with their Winnies that they don't get what they paid for. YMMV people.
 
I'm not that excited, but I bought the board like many others.
I have the right to let others know about the misfortune I found with this board.

And I'm sure someone here will appreciate that.

Others, the corporate lapdogs will defend Asus.

And the specs that were listed on Asus's site when I bought, and in reviews were over 1.55vcore. Its really disengenous.

Its not that I want a higher OC at all. It just appears to reveal some of the component, and bios quality this board seems to offer.

I really do not see, or understand how words I did not say are being used against me.

I'm not changing for a better OC.
I feel I got what I paid for and MORE out of my A64.

I DID NOT get what I paid for with the Asus A8N SLI Deluxe.
 
Let me tell you something, I give less than a flock about Asus. Or about any of the other manufacturers for that matter. If the product works, then I'll purchase and use them to make money. I keep one for myself--but it's basically a means to an end.

There is nothing wrong with the Asus board, IMOHO, that future bios tweaks can't fix. It's a decent product now, but will improve---as will all the NF4 based boards out right now. It's brand new tech, and as usual, has a few growing pains before it's perfected. You'll find quirks in all the renditions of this tech, no matters what manufacturer you run to.

Wheither your thread was a proclomation, or a whining complaint, I don't give a flock about that either. You were complaining about
EVERYONE SHOULD BE AWARE OF THIS FACT. 1.55VCORE IS SIMPLY NOT ENOUGH.
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and I gave you a solution. If you didn't like the solution, then fine. No reason to step up and insult me as if my solution was
absolutely ridiculous
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. It's not. Alot of people use hacked bios.

In closing, housecat[b/b], I really don't care what board you choose. You can run it up your arse sideways for all I care. Just quite whining, pleeze. 😉


 
But see, no one asked for you to offer a solution.

And no one is whining.


Why are you guys really opposed to me bringing this out for people that have not bought the board yet?

A hacked bios is just not what I was looking for (nor what I was asking for, which was nothing) and its not the grandest idea to offer the general public.

Instead of Joe Sixpack's hacked bios (doesnt that sound like what you want to pay Asus $200 for?), Asus should have their engineers offer what everyone else does.
Until they do, this should be known to save the next guy the trouble.
 
Originally posted by: housecat
And the specs that were listed on Asus's site when I bought, and in reviews were over 1.55vcore. Its really disengenous.

I DID NOT get what I paid for with the Asus A8N SLI Deluxe.
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I believe the BIOS it shipped with, 1002, allowed higher vcore settings. No one made you update.

I still don't see what the problem is here.

I can understand that the BIOS is inaccurate - it doesn't seem like settings about 1.55 really provide the voltage they say they do...but all Winchester cores run at stock with 1.5v or less. Why is 1.55v not enough again?


But this problem pales in comparison to....oh, say, the AIDS epidemic.

I don't think it needs to be screamed from the rooftops in all caps. People who care about the voltages offered by a board will do their research, and those that don't deserve to get bongered.

I really fail to see the point of this thread.
 
Originally posted by: Insomniak
Originally posted by: housecat
And the specs that were listed on Asus's site when I bought, and in reviews were over 1.55vcore. Its really disengenous.

I DID NOT get what I paid for with the Asus A8N SLI Deluxe.
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I really fail to see the point of this thread.
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You fail to see many things. Why would this be any different?

The point is that this information is not in most reviews, and none I've seen.

That is the point. You can't fault someone for doing ample research (reading a few reviews), and missing information that is not there.

Well, I guess you know it alls can.


And I do not know if 1002 allowed truley higher than 1.55v or not (after reading Guitardaddys post, which you obviously would rather NOT do, but just b!tch about the thread instead). In fact, I am not sure thats what is shipping now, nor what was on my board when I got it.
Your assumptions go a bit far.

edit- oops, just noticed that the Asus corporate clowns happen to be people who use the A8N.. I'm sorry to be "bashing" your boards, in your mind only.. but people deserve to see this. Thanks for the bumps.
 
Originally posted by: housecat
You fail to see many things. Why would this be any different?
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Because unlike the other things (the ultra-violet spectrum for example), this "point" of yours purports to be visible.


Originally posted by: housecat
The point is that this information is not in most reviews, and none I've seen.

That is the point. You can't fault someone for doing ample research (reading a few reviews), and missing information that is not there.
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Almost every review I've seen has listed the voltage settings in the BIOS.


You still haven't answered the question - why isn't 1.55v enough, as you so loudly proclaimed above?


I really don't care if you have a low opinion of the board - to each their own - but please explain to me here exactly how the board is not adequate other than having less-than-stellar OC ability?
 
Its not enough because it is less than the competition offers. And less than every review I've read said.
Asus possibly pulled a fast one after launch and shipped that bios to reviewers. Possibly due to poor quality components that cannot support higher voltage than that reliably.
I am not sure, i do know it does not have upper end options in new bios revisions.
Which I would have appreciated someone telling me, now, I am telling everyone else hoping to spare the next guy that is thinking this board will be "good enough" of an overclocker.

The product is not competitive in this area, as the competiveness of a product is valued from the abilities of the competition.

People should know this as the 1.55v max is NOT common knowledge among enthusiasts.

If you are trying to discredit me, in a vain attempt to defend your hardware.. you are only bumping the thread, which I appreciate.
 
I see you have edited your post there.

And I'm NOT saying anything else is wrong.. but the "less than stellar OC ability" is known, but this vcore limitation is not known.

Most assume it may not pull the higher OCs due to poorer quality capacitors (I knew the DFI/MSI would have 100% japanese capacitors when I bought the Asus and I accepted that), but most that dont own the board dont know it wont even pull above 1.55vcore!



I should add I do not have a "low opinion of this board", I like the board.. I was a tad pissed when I figured this little "feature" out.. but oh well. Just vote with my dollars and give DFI some love.
I certainly won't be so eager to accept Asus into my home next time. And that is fine.

It prob works great for most ppl and I hope it does. But there is no disputing this board was rushed.. and prob needs some extra TLC from Asus like a PREMIUM board lol

Instead of waiting to get that one.. I'm just going DFI and ending this charade.

But I hope someone building with these boards sees this.. I do NOT believe most would purchase the board if they knew any recent bios only allowed 1.55vcore
 
Originally posted by: housecat
Its not enough because it is less than the competition offers. And less than every review I've read said.
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If everything works fine at stock, how is that not adequate? That's like saying bread is an inadequate food because it provides less fiber than oatmeal. Calling a product "inadequate" solely because the competition offers something more/different is ridiculous. Most SLI motherboards from other companies have fewer than 8 SATA ports. This is not enough. The A8N-SLI Deluxe has them...EVERYONE NEEDS TO KNOW!!!1

The point you MAY be trying to make is that it's a better idea to purchase other boards if you have overclocking in mind. I certainly won't disagree there. DFI and MSI are two I would look at.

Originally posted by: housecat
Asus possibly pulled a fast one after launch and shipped that bios to reviewers. Possibly due to poor quality components that cannot support higher voltage than that reliably.
I am not sure, i do know it does not have upper end options in new bios revisions.
Which I would have appreciated someone telling me, now, I am telling everyone else hoping to spare the next guy that is thinking this board will be "good enough" of an overclocker.

The product is not competitive in this area, as the competiveness of a product is valued from the abilities of the competition.
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I guess you would prefer this sticker be on the box:

Warning: Product is less able to void your warranty than competitor's products. If voiding your warranty is a top priority, purchase competitor's product. Your warranty will void much more easily.


You seem to be under the misguided notion than boards are "competitive" based on overclockability. It doesn't work that way. OC ability is 100% YMMV. You may get a great overclock, or you may get none.

That said, people think there are ways to theoretically improve the odds of a successful overclock - buying a board that allows higher core voltages, for example. Unfortunately, this is just placebo. Although higher vcore is a neccesary tool for getting a high stable OC, if you end up with a non-OC friendly core or mobo chip, vcore isn't going to to do you any good. And of course, you have no way of influencing the quality of either of those chips.

You've stated a fact here and acted like it's a company failing on ASUS's part. No, their current BIOSes do not allow for more than 1.55v core. And? So, what, you won't get as good an overclock? And if AMD suddenly puts out a batch of 3200+ Winnies that won't break 2.1Ghz , are you going to decry AMD for making chips that perform in spec but don't give you much free performance that you didn't pay for?

You baffle me son.

Listen, if vcores above what AMD S939 processors are rated at really matter that much to you, obsess away. I myself have to be at work early tomorrow, so I'm turning in.
 
No, i'm saying the board might not be up to snuff quality wise with the rest.
In fact we know it isnt.

Yeah, its "adequate" but its blown away in this department.
If I was looking for an OEM quality motherboard, I'd bought a Dell.

I dont know why you keep talking sh!t about OCing considering your own rig there is OC'd.

OC ability is 100% YMMV.. but you know what, voltage settings are not (unless you own the A8N, which Asus used the bait and switch on to sell).
Esp when ANY bios revision after the shipping/review one disables 1.55v+

Thats not right, and you'd prefer to keep it all hush hush.. another day another corporate b!tch is born I guess.
 
housecat i agree completlty. i also bought the asus a8n-sli , and had to turn around and buy a sli-dr. Don't get me wrong the asus is a wonderful board, BUT it is far from a overclockers board. However the DFI is AWESOME. I would add that the first DFI i got had major problems, and i had to get another. Anyone thinking that any nforce 4 is perfect and without small problems is wrong. However if you have time and patientence it will pay off. They are all great boards but the DFI is a overclockers dream.
 
That's why I stopped buying Asus they're always limited in voltage, if you want all the voltage you can get buy ABIT or DFI motherboards.
 
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