No COVID boosters this Fall?

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Pens1566

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No not really, why? Well COVID has become milder as it has mutated since 2020. For those groups that are at low risk of COVID and have been vaccinated from COVID previously the risk of having severe COVID has been greatly reduced to the point that it is the same chance of having a adverse reaction to the booster.

There is a reason that so many European countries aligned on focusing COVID boosters on older populations and those with health conditions that place them at risk.

Not talking about covid specifically. Myocarditis. You know, the tangent you tried to take us all off on??? The one that doesn't really matter in the context of covid vaccines, because the #s/studies show there is no elevated risk for this mild condition.
 

nakedfrog

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I mean, who do I trust more, someone appointed to their position by the Trump administration, or the existing staff that had already signed off on approving the vaccine?

Especially when it's this guy?

COVID response​

In October 2021, Prasad prompted social media controversy when he published a blog post comparing the U.S. COVID-19 pandemic response to the beginnings of Adolf Hitler's Third Reich. Bioethicist Arthur L. Caplan said that Prasad's arguments were specious and ignorant, and science historian Robert N. Proctor said that Prasad was "overplaying the dangers of vaccination mandates and trivializing the genuine harms to liberty posed by 1930s fascism".[28]

In November 2021, Prasad expressed his opinion that pediatricians should warn parents about risks of COVID immunization such as myocarditis.[29] However, physician Jonathan Howard noted that Prasad was selectively omitting the risks of COVID disease[30] which would not be consistent with the tenets of medical informed consent.

In January 2022, the conservative periodical City Journal published an opinion piece by Prasad in which he attempted to demonstrate that the American public health organizations were not being honest in their response to the COVID-19 pandemic.[31] Writing for Science-Based Medicine, epidemiologist Lynn Shaffer criticized Prasad's article for the various "mistruths" it contained about face masks as a COVID-19 mitigation measure, for example the unevidenced claim that mask wearing was stunting children's language development. In Shaffer's view Prasad's writing "lean heavily on pushing people's emotional hot buttons" and amounted to a form of fearmongering.[32]

Prasad was an early member of the Urgency of Normal, a group that in 2022 campaigned against quarantines and mask mandates in schools during the COVID-19 pandemic.[33] He spoke in support of repealing such mandates in a March 2022 interview.[34]

Earlier in 2023, Prasad showed support for the ideas of Robert Kennedy Jr.[35] However, according to physician David Gorski, Prasad did not show sufficient understanding of bad faith debate.[36] In November 2023, the levels of kindergarten vaccine exemptions rose to the highest level in years.[37] Prasad mentioned about this outcome[38] but did not acknowledge his role in causing this outcome, per physician Jonathan Howard.[39]


 
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More MAHA madness. Can’t have vaccines and you’re gonna pay 100% more for some prescription drugs, but at least you can get that $9000 sauna with tax-free income.

This was always going to be a loophole with FSAs and HSAs, where they allow doctors' letters to certify things that typically couldn't be covered. And perhaps it should be closed down. If an item isn't on a pre-approved list or a real prescription, the reimbursement should be disallowed. Most people probably wouldn't even notice if they clamped down on what the money could be used for.
 

Muse

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I didn't judge you but whatever floats your boat.
Your attitude is insulting. You did declare that doctor was better educated than I am, in fact you guaranteed it. That IS A JUDGEMENT. Ticked me off. A lot of doctors are quite poorly educated. A degree is no guarantee. Like I said, you don't know me from Adam, don't be putting me down mofo.
 

Brovane

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Your attitude is insulting. You did declare that doctor was better educated than I am, in fact you guaranteed it. That IS A JUDGEMENT. Ticked me off. A lot of doctors are quite poorly educated. A degree is no guarantee. Like I said, you don't know me from Adam, don't be putting me down mofo.

Dr Vinay Prasad was a professor in the Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at the University of California at San Francisco. Apparently his credentials where fine for everyone until he disagreed with some of the FDA's policies around COVID. Weird how that changed.

Seriously do you think he is wrong about the American Healthcare System? The ENTIRE HEALTHCARE system is BROKEN
 
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Fenixgoon

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Dr Vinay Prasad was a professor in the Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at the University of California at San Francisco. Apparently his credentials where fine for everyone until he disagreed with some of the FDA's policies around COVID. Weird how that changed.

Seriously do you think he is wrong about the American Healthcare System? The ENTIRE HEALTHCARE system is BROKEN
Plenty of people went off the rails during COVID. Don't know if this guy was one of them, but being a trump appointmee is automatically suspicious because anyone, and I mean anyone, accepting offers this time has been a total stooge. Administrators during trump 1 were at least institutionalists
 

K1052

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Plenty of people went off the rails during COVID. Don't know if this guy was one of them, but being a trump appointmee is automatically suspicious because anyone, and I mean anyone, accepting offers this time has been a total stooge. Administrators during trump 1 were at least institutionalists

A lot of otherwise very smart people went full crank or became major crank enablers. Prasad belongs to the latter group. Though he is trending towards the former as he keeps unilaterally overriding decisions from the FDA's vaccine review board. As I recall he basically said that the COVID vaccines should not have been approved even though we know for a fact that many lives were saved as a result. Some of this originally stemmed from his personal arguments with Marks who got it done and now he's waltzing with RFK JR's vaccine autism bullshit.

Just because you got a bunch of degrees doesn't mean you can't become a crank.
 

Brovane

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A lot of otherwise very smart people went full crank or became major crank enablers. Prasad belongs to the latter group. Though he is trending towards the former as he keeps unilaterally overriding decisions from the FDA's vaccine review board. As I recall he basically said that the COVID vaccines should not have been approved even though we know for a fact that many lives were saved as a result. Some of this originally stemmed from his personal arguments with Marks who got it done and now he's waltzing with RFK JR's vaccine autism bullshit.

Just because you got a bunch of degrees doesn't mean you can't become a crank.

If this is in reference to the original vaccines from late 2020, I don't remember him ever saying that. However he was critical of the Biden Administration trying to mandate the vaccine.

 

K1052

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If this is in reference to the original vaccines from late 2020, I don't remember him ever saying that. However he was critical of the Biden Administration trying to mandate the vaccine.


I had to go back and dig up the root of his conflict with Peter Marks and it seems to mostly be subsequent approval of reformulated boosters for the general population. Prasad thinks they all should have had new trials apparently...which is just nuts. He also focuses obsessively on the idea that the subgroups need to be studied individually in yet more larger trials in order to pick up any potential rare adverse effects (which have not been plausibly shown to exist in the real world data from the vaccination campaign). He also proposes to run decades old vaccines like MMR through new trials.

As I said he's moving from crank enabler under the guise of "skepticism" to simply crank:

Prasad said it was “only a matter of time” before a serious safety signal emerges from the vaccines, which have been administered to millions of people around the globe, and called annual updated boosters “a game of Russian roulette” in a blogpost.

He believes the risk of myocarditis and other side effects from mRNA Covid shots outweigh the benefits of preventing illness and death. Myocarditis is a markedly more common side effect from Covid infection, which also remains a top cause of death.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/14/vinay-prasad-vaccines-covid
 

Muse

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Dr Vinay Prasad was a professor in the Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics at the University of California at San Francisco. Apparently his credentials where fine for everyone until he disagreed with some of the FDA's policies around COVID. Weird how that changed.

Seriously do you think he is wrong about the American Healthcare System? The ENTIRE HEALTHCARE system is BROKEN
Why do you care what I think? I was incensed because you insulted me. That was my issue. I have no desire to get into a debate with you.
 

Brovane

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I had to go back and dig up the root of his conflict with Peter Marks and it seems to mostly be subsequent approval of reformulated boosters for the general population. Prasad thinks they all should have had new trials apparently...which is just nuts. He also focuses obsessively on the idea that the subgroups need to be studied individually in yet more larger trials in order to pick up any potential rare adverse effects (which have not been plausibly shown to exist in the real world data from the vaccination campaign). He also proposes to run decades old vaccines like MMR through new trials.

As I said he's moving from crank enabler under the guise of "skepticism" to simply crank:



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/14/vinay-prasad-vaccines-covid

So he wasn't against the original COVID vaccine as you claimed, got it. He is skeptical that re-curing boosters need to be given every year.

Do you think the current COVID boosters have zero chance of harm(Side-Effects)?

Seems perfectly reasonable to me. An Evidence-Based Approach to Covid-19 Vaccination
 

K1052

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So he wasn't against the original COVID vaccine as you claimed, got it. He is skeptical that re-curing boosters need to be given every year.

Do you think the current COVID boosters have zero chance of harm(Side-Effects)?

I amended my claim that he didn't believe in that particular batshit and posted other batshit that he does believe in. Do with that as you will.
 

Jaskalas

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What will gun toting vengeful Trumpists do when they discover their so called God killed a beloved family member?
Most of them will not care.
Insofar as... blaming Trump or MAGA (the person's own ID) for anything.
What they are likely to do... is blame the usual suspects, the people they already hate. Sans evidence. Just the usual gut feels.
 

BonzaiDuck

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I'm keeping an eye on this! If Trump restricts and bans COVID boosters, I'm going to get one anyway at gunpoint!

"My vaccination, or your LIFE!!" I will say!

Apocalypse Now! Exterminate them all!! Colonel Kurz had the answer!
 

Moonbeam

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Most of them will not care.
Insofar as... blaming Trump or MAGA (the person's own ID) for anything.
What they are likely to do... is blame the usual suspects, the people they already hate. Sans evidence. Just the usual gut feels.
This describes their typical behavior and capacity for denial. I said, when they find out, when they realize that Trump killed someone they love. The actions of people who know are not those you described in my opinion.
 

Jaskalas

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This describes their typical behavior and capacity for denial. I said, when they find out, when they realize that Trump killed someone they love. The actions of people who know are not those you described in my opinion.
Well then I am stuck on the idea that a meaningful number of them would, or could, break from the mind hold MAGA has over them.
Recall the tale of measles in Texas. Those parents had no regrets in killing their own child.