No Child Left Behind doesn't stand a chance of working

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Ugh, this has been gone over before. Can you show me why failing schools track extremely closely with income levels? Poor areas being way way way more likely to have failing schools then rich ones?

Do you believe this is because poor areas are bad at hiring teachers and administrators and so get lots of bad ones that mess up their schools? Or maybe there is another reason to it.... one that has been mentioned many times before on here... about the socioeconomic climate in which low income students grow up in that does not value education.

I'm sure it's probably those damn teacher's unions though. If they would stop asking for raises, we could use that extra money to brainwash the kids into loving school!

It is the teachers unions. You want to know why, because they work the same way in every state. My coworker's wife is a teacher, with tenure. She can turn down ANY school she does not work in. Hence new teachers are more than likely to go to the "bad" schools. Worse, there is NO INCENTIVE to go work in these bad schools as the adminstrators will not stand up for the teachers versus the parents. All the union does is turn away. They don't encourage extra pay for teachers going to these schools as they are all about senority. Rotten teachers stay in the system because of the same unions.

All these schools are funded nearly equally... so whats the issue with NCLB being blamed?

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

What is amazing is that all the poor blacks don?t revolt

And stupid crap like this is why minoritys would not don that hood *cough* register republican.

I mean why would being a selfish angry white asshole male afraid of his own shadow have appeal for anyone but one of your own?

You all just will never "get it" will you? Poor republicans, revolt against your own stupidity first before you try to sucker others in.

and if the minorities did let others know they were going to vote republican what do you think would happen to him.

Thats the real sad issue, they cannot vote for who would do better for them because of bigotry and racism foisted by the same party that claims they will help them.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
The whole dependent on government handouts is nothing but a racist stereotype, the whole basis of your point of view is a big fat red herring and quite offensive, which you all will never get.

Get with reality or quit whining why noone wants to play your game.

How is that a racist stereotype? You realize that there are white people on welfare too right?

Give it up, we are not talking about whites, we are talking about why minorities find Republicans so offensive.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: spittledip
It could work if the teachers and school administrators are willing to lose funding for all their failing students rather than lower standards. Then you have less funding equaling less quality of education, crappier pay for teachers, good teachers leaving to get better paying teaching gigs. It is self-defeating. When I worked in VA Beach in human services, my mind would boggle as I went into richer neighborhoods and saw the nice new schools and into poorer neighborhoods and saw the run down old crappy schools. The rich keep getting richer, the poor, poorer!

Not sure about VA Beach, but here in Maryland Baltimore city schools are better funded than any other school system I believe, yet they get the poorest results......

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
The whole dependent on government handouts is nothing but a racist stereotype, the whole basis of your point of view is a big fat red herring and quite offensive, which you all will never get.

Get with reality or quit whining why noone wants to play your game.

its not a racist stereotype, its a racist effort by politicians in government to force a class of people into voting one way and one way only. Combined with pressure from so called leaders of their groups to guilt, shame, and coerce, them into staying in the fold.

Its the elephant in the room and that elephant isn't a Republican creation

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
The whole dependent on government handouts is nothing but a racist stereotype, the whole basis of your point of view is a big fat red herring and quite offensive, which you all will never get.

Get with reality or quit whining why noone wants to play your game.

How is that a racist stereotype? You realize that there are white people on welfare too right?

Give it up, we are not talking about whites, we are talking about why minorities find Republicans so offensive.

Do Republicans label blacks who lean conservative Uncle Toms? Aunt Jemimahs? Racial traitors? NO. Only Demorcats do.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
The whole dependent on government handouts is nothing but a racist stereotype, the whole basis of your point of view is a big fat red herring and quite offensive, which you all will never get.

Get with reality or quit whining why noone wants to play your game.

How is that a racist stereotype? You realize that there are white people on welfare too right?

Give it up, we are not talking about whites, we are talking about why minorities find Republicans so offensive.

Ok, I've addressed why it boggles my mind that cities are still run by Democrats, even after years of horrible conditions, all you have done is call everyone racists.....

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Shivetya

and if the minorities did let others know they were going to vote republican what do you think would happen to him.

Quit the conservative victim complex, they don't like you all because you are scapegoating racist and represent everything that is bad about society we should be moving away from, Why the hell would a minority want to "conserve" our past? It sucked for them!

Matter of fact there never were "good old days" of american conservative values etc. the whole thing is a silly myth marketed for paranoid angry whites scared of change.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Shivetya

and if the minorities did let others know they were going to vote republican what do you think would happen to him.

Quit the conservative victim complex, they don't like you all because you are scapegoating racist and represent everything that is bad about society we should be moving away from, Why the hell would a minority want to "conserve" our past? It sucked for them!

Matter of fact there never were "good old days" of american conservative values etc. the whole thing is a silly myth marketed for paranoid angry whites scared of change.

More racist name calling, I'm shocked!

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Shivetya

and if the minorities did let others know they were going to vote republican what do you think would happen to him.

Quit the conservative victim complex, they don't like you all because you are scapegoating racist and represent everything that is bad about society we should be moving away from, Why the hell would a minority want to "conserve" our past? It sucked for them!

Matter of fact there never were "good old days" of american conservative values etc. the whole thing is a silly myth marketed for paranoid angry whites scared of change.

More racist name calling, I'm shocked!

If you cant see why then you will never figure out why minoritys wouldn't touch the Reps with a 10 foot pole.

Here's a hint, drop the whole racist lie about "welfare queens" from reagan era and repeated endlessly by angry whites on hate radio.

That crap was never true in the first place, sure fighting corruption in social system is good but scapegoating the victim or the underdog will never win you anything but resentment when you are in a place of power.

Its one of the big reasons people think of reps as cowardly bullies.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Shivetya

and if the minorities did let others know they were going to vote republican what do you think would happen to him.

Quit the conservative victim complex, they don't like you all because you are scapegoating racist and represent everything that is bad about society we should be moving away from, Why the hell would a minority want to "conserve" our past? It sucked for them!

Matter of fact there never were "good old days" of american conservative values etc. the whole thing is a silly myth marketed for paranoid angry whites scared of change.

More racist name calling, I'm shocked!

If you cant see why then you will never figure out why minoritys wouldn't touch the Reps with a 10 foot pole.

Here's a hint, drop the whole lie about "welfare queens" from reagan era that crap was never true in the first place, sure fighting corruption in social system is good but scapegoating the victim or the underdog will never win you anything but resentment when you are in a place of power.

Ok, I'll try another tactic, since you obviously can't scroll up, I'll repost what I said,

Originally posted by: JD50

Nope, I'd prefer for them (not just blacks, the poor in general) to become less dependant on government hand outs and move up in society. But then the Democrats would lose those votes. But go ahead, keep on going with your racist accusations instead of actually addressing the issues....

But I do agree with you on one point, the Black community has seen this BS for a long time now, thats why I'm amazed that they still keep voting the Democrats in office. Democrats control most of the major cities, so why then is there so much crime, poverty, horrible public schools, etc..? Why would you keep voting into office the same people that are keeping you down?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: JD50
Democrats control most of the major cities, so why then is there so much crime, poverty, horrible public schools, etc..? Why would you keep voting into office the same people that are keeping you down?

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You seem to assume people think it is Dems that are "holding someone down" -your turn to play the race card now?

You would do well not to make assumptions about what minoritys think as you all have no clue obviously seeing as to how poorly minoritys represent the reps.

Visit reality then make judgment, something you all depend on avoiding to play up the victim game.

People listen to the racist drivel and scapegoating from the right and it totally turns them off as your basic philosophy of "dependence" is nothing but based racist stereotype.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: JD50
Democrats control most of the major cities, so why then is there so much crime, poverty, horrible public schools, etc..? Why would you keep voting into office the same people that are keeping you down?

You seem to assume people think they think Dems are "holding someone down" your turn to play the race card now?

You would do well not to make assumptions about what minoritys think as you all have no clue obviously seeing as to how poorly minoritys represent the reps.

Visit reality then make judgment, something you all depend on avoiding to play up the victim game.[/quote]


Ok, I'll ask one last time, why would you continue voting Democrats into office in the inner cities when they have done such a horrible job for so long? Crime, schools, poverty, etc.....

Edit - I am not saying that all of that is the Democrats fault, but WTH?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: JD50


Ok, I'll ask one last time, why would you continue voting Democrats into office in the inner cities when they have done such a horrible job for so long? Crime, schools, poverty, etc.....

Ok, so why would you vote for those who want to do the opposite of move a society forward even though it still has a ways to go?

That is the question here.

One you guys will never get as your whole mindset and framing of the issue is not reality based.

Simple concept here: Repubs = Folks scared of change / hence Conservatism

Major issue for minoritys is moving beyond old bad ways, if you cannot see the conflict of interest you are never going to.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: JD50


Ok, I'll ask one last time, why would you continue voting Democrats into office in the inner cities when they have done such a horrible job for so long? Crime, schools, poverty, etc.....

Ok, so why would you vote for those who want to do the opposite of move a society forward even though it still has a ways to go?

That is the question here.

One you guys will never get as your whole mindset and framing of the issue is not reality based.

No, that is not the question here, the question here is what I freaking asked you. Forget it, I know that you can't answer that question because you don't want to see any faults in your own party. I'm not even responding to the rest of your idiotic statement.....

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: JD50


Ok, I'll ask one last time, why would you continue voting Democrats into office in the inner cities when they have done such a horrible job for so long? Crime, schools, poverty, etc.....

Ok, so why would you vote for those who want to do the opposite of move a society forward even though it still has a ways to go?

That is the question here.

One you guys will never get as your whole mindset and framing of the issue is not reality based.

No, that is not the question here, the question here is what I freaking asked you. Forget it, I know that you can't answer that question because you don't want to see any faults in your own party. I'm not even responding to the rest of your idiotic statement.....

Dems are not "my" party, just trying to educate the clueless here why your comments want to make people write you off as knuckleheads instead of ever vote for you.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: JD50


Ok, I'll ask one last time, why would you continue voting Democrats into office in the inner cities when they have done such a horrible job for so long? Crime, schools, poverty, etc.....

Ok, so why would you vote for those who want to do the opposite of move a society forward even though it still has a ways to go?

That is the question here.

One you guys will never get as your whole mindset and framing of the issue is not reality based.

No, that is not the question here, the question here is what I freaking asked you. Forget it, I know that you can't answer that question because you don't want to see any faults in your own party. I'm not even responding to the rest of your idiotic statement.....

Dems are not "my" party, just trying to educate the clueless here why your comments want to make people write you off as knuckleheads instead of ever vote for you.

Still not answering any of my questions.......

 

[Ferocious]

umm its the students that make the school, not the other way around.

This is of course obvious to anyone not blinded by Rush and company.

Vouchers are not a solution to the problem, but rather a way to divert tax money to business people.

No Child has no chance, because it is not intended to help children.

Found this article from last summer.