No activists showed up near Orlando for rally

[Londo_Jowo]

This is too funny, guess no one in Orlando cares.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...h-police-brutality-orange-20141201-story.html

Activists wanted Dec. 1 to be a day of nationwide protests against police aggression, but no one showed up for a rally near Orlando on Monday.

A rally, planned by Million March Against Police Brutality, was planned for 9 a.m. Monday in front of the Orange County sheriff's office headquarters on West Colonial Drive near John Young Parkway, organizers said online.

 

[Jhhnn]

This is too funny, guess no one in Orlando cares.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...h-police-brutality-orange-20141201-story.html

Or more likely it was very poorly publicized & organized.

 

[glenn1]

Maybe in the land of the Magic Kingdom, the message borrowed straight from the Palestinians of "since we don't follow rules of civilized behavior we're going to make damn sure our perceived enemies do" doesn't sell.

 

[xBiffx]

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Perhaps people are figuring out that the "cause" of Brown was a huckster's setup. There's cause for concern about abuse, but Brown isn't a good poster child, quite the reverse.

 

[PokerGuy]

I'm on board with a movement to make sure there are better checks and balances in place, more officers wearing body cams, and that police are held to a higher standard. I am, however, absolutely not on board with the idiotic movement based on what happened to Brown - a criminal thug who attacked a cop and got what he deserved.

 

[fskimospy]

Perhaps people are figuring out that the "cause" of Brown was a huckster's setup. There's cause for concern about abuse, but Brown isn't a good poster child, quite the reverse.

I agree that Brown isn't a good poster child. While we don't know enough about what happened to call him a thug it seems like a safe bet that there's not enough evidence to say what the cop did was wrong. I tend to think the Brown shooting was more of the straw that broke the camel's back. There's been such a history of abuse that even cases like this can push people over the edge.

I do wonder why cases like the kid in East New York who was shot in the stairwell aren't the catalyst for things like this. That's about as clear a case as you can get of an unreasonable police shooting.

 

[LightPattern]

Perhaps people are figuring out that the "cause" of Brown was a huckster's setup. There's cause for concern about abuse, but Brown isn't a good poster child, quite the reverse.

:thumbsup:

I'm on board with a movement to make sure there are better checks and balances in place, more officers wearing body cams, and that police are held to a higher standard. I am, however, absolutely not on board with the idiotic movement based on what happened to Brown - a criminal thug who attacked a cop and got what he deserved.

:thumbsup:... to all except that I don't think he "deserved" death.
The people expecting the officer involved to have perfect control of everything that happens in a heated situation after he's been assaulted, in a struggle that involved grabbing his gun no less.. Those people are being asinine.

 

[brandonb]

Rallying behind Brown is about the same as others rallying behind Bundy.

There are better examples to Rally behind. Neither were a good example.

 

[blake0812]

underrated post

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I agree that Brown isn't a good poster child. While we don't know enough about what happened to call him a thug it seems like a safe bet that there's not enough evidence to say what the cop did was wrong. I tend to think the Brown shooting was more of the straw that broke the camel's back. There's been such a history of abuse that even cases like this can push people over the edge.

I do wonder why cases like the kid in East New York who was shot in the stairwell aren't the catalyst for things like this. That's about as clear a case as you can get of an unreasonable police shooting.

I tend to think of the Brown shooting as more of a straw man. I'd rather it never happened for everyone's sake, but he was "spreading the word of Jesus"? Oy.

Link to video

 

[BoomerD]

I'm on board with a movement to make sure there are better checks and balances in place, more officers wearing body cams, and that police are held to a higher standard. I am, however, absolutely not on board with the idiotic movement based on what happened to Brown - a criminal thug who attacked a cop and got what he deserved.

The only real issue I have with cops wearing body cameras is this:

http://www.businessweek.com/article...-wreak-havoc-on-plans-for-police-body-cameras

http://crosscut.com/2014/11/10/law-justice/122707/body-cams-washington-seattle-privacy-disclosure/

Due to privacy concerns, each video has to be scrubbed of personal information and "non-essential" faces before release...requiring hours and hours of police time.
I have no problem with releasing the videos...but I DO have a problem with someone being able to request every video ever made. Such requests SHOULD require the individual to give his/her name, and a reason for each video requested.

 

[fskimospy]

The only real issue I have with cops wearing body cameras is this:

http://www.businessweek.com/article...-wreak-havoc-on-plans-for-police-body-cameras

http://crosscut.com/2014/11/10/law-justice/122707/body-cams-washington-seattle-privacy-disclosure/

Due to privacy concerns, each video has to be scrubbed of personal information and "non-essential" faces before release...requiring hours and hours of police time.
I have no problem with releasing the videos...but I DO have a problem with someone being able to request every video ever made. Such requests SHOULD require the individual to give his/her name, and a reason for each video requested.

Yes, FOIL/FOIA laws may be poorly equipped currently to deal with body cameras like that. There should definitely be some sort of revised disclosure procedures for them to prevent abuse like that.

 

[bshole]

I agree that Brown isn't a good poster child. While we don't know enough about what happened to call him a thug it seems like a safe bet that there's not enough evidence to say what the cop did was wrong. I tend to think the Brown shooting was more of the straw that broke the camel's back. There's been such a history of abuse that even cases like this can push people over the edge.

Most white liberals agree with what you said above. Blacks on the other hand are still convinced that Brown suffered a great injustice. This case really does break down along racial lines, much more so than political lines.

 

[cubby1223]

I do wonder why cases like the kid in East New York who was shot in the stairwell aren't the catalyst for things like this. That's about as clear a case as you can get of an unreasonable police shooting.

It's the same with a lot of topics that come up in politics. The ones that get all the attention are the ones that pit half the country against the other half. While issues where the overwhelming majority of Americans agree, and yet government does the opposite, these issues get thrown by the wayside.

I don't know if it's like a pecking order situation. Or if there is something psychological with having large adversaries to motivate and muscle change?

I'm not familiar with that New York case, but I'm assuming the officer is facing consequences?

 

[blake0812]

Most white liberals agree with what you said above. Blacks on the other hand are still convinced that Brown suffered a great injustice. This case really does break down along racial lines, much more so than political lines.

I think it's more of a class issue. Blacks (from what i've seen) that are raised in a middle class household are very polite and charming people. The others are still in high school.

 

[fskimospy]

It's the same with a lot of topics that come up in politics. The ones that get all the attention are the ones that pit half the country against the other half. While issues where the overwhelming majority of Americans agree, and yet government does the opposite, these issues get thrown by the wayside.

I don't know if it's like a pecking order situation. Or if there is something psychological with having large adversaries to motivate and muscle change?

I'm not familiar with that New York case, but I'm assuming the officer is facing consequences?

Unclear what consequences the officer will face at this point. Basically he was walking up a dark stairwell in an East NY project with his gun drawn and a kid and his girlfriend coming down the stairwell ran into him and he shot the kid.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/24/nyregion/police-tactic-scrutinized-after-accidental-shooting.html

I do think you're right about the difference in the PD response though. At least in this case the NYPD immediately admitted fault, which probably stemmed some of the outrage. Still, I think we all know that the odds of a white kid getting shot going down the stairwell in the building they live in is...well... considerably smaller.

 

[glenn1]

I do think you're right about the difference in the PD response though. At least in this case the NYPD immediately admitted fault, which probably stemmed some of the outrage. Still, I think we all know that the odds of a white kid getting shot going down the stairwell in the building they live in is...well... considerably smaller.

Given the same location and other factors I'd say it was about equal. Unless you're honestly saying it's more likely a black guy living in a McMansion would get shot than a teenage white guy in the projects. There's no real reason to assume racial motives when simple social class factors will do.

 

[bshole]

Unclear what consequences the officer will face at this point. Basically he was walking up a dark stairwell in an East NY project with his gun drawn and a kid and his girlfriend coming down the stairwell ran into him and he shot the kid.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/24/nyregion/police-tactic-scrutinized-after-accidental-shooting.html

I do think you're right about the difference in the PD response though. At least in this case the NYPD immediately admitted fault, which probably stemmed some of the outrage. Still, I think we all know that the odds of a white kid getting shot going down the stairwell in the building they live in is...well... considerably smaller.

He won't be fired and that is the outrage. If a cop kills an innocent person by mistake, there is no way he should keep his job. I could be fired for things significantly less catastrophic. If he keeps his job, the black community has a legit reason to be enraged.

 

[cubby1223]

He won't be fired and that is the outrage. If a cop kills an innocent person by mistake, there is no way he should keep his job. I could be fired for things significantly less catastrophic. If he keeps his job, the black community has a legit reason to be enraged.

The reality is, if you are to be fired for "things significantly less catastrophic", you are probably working in a field where you are easily expendable. There is another person ready to assume your job role the moment you step off.

I do not think that is the case with police forces. I could be wrong, though. I know Chicago's police force is always saying they are short-staffed.

It may come down to is there a better alternate person ready to take on this job or not?

 

[lotus503]

What bother me most about this case is that folks can’t seem to agree on a factual baseline of what even happened. I tend to agree this is a really shitty example of a very real problem, but can say I haven’t not done the in depth research I, just don’t have the time.

What amazes me however is how we can even have the conversation without addressing black on black crime, as it’s the far bigger problem in the black community.

 

[fskimospy]

What bother me most about this case is that folks can’t seem to agree on a factual baseline of what even happened. I tend to agree this is a really shitty example of a very real problem, but can say I haven’t not done the in depth research I, just don’t have the time.

This is a problem in almost everything. There's a famous story of Sir Walter Raleigh when he was writing his history of the world in which there was some sort of altercation outside of his room in the tower of london and when he asked the people involved what happened he found there was no way he could accurately determine what actually occurred. That was something that happened 5 minutes earlier. He almost threw his history book in the fire.

What amazes me however is how we can even have the conversation without addressing black on black crime, as it’s the far bigger problem in the black community.

Do you consider white on white crime to be a huge problem in the white community? About 85% of whites that are killed are killed by other whites.

 

[lotus503]

This is a problem in almost everything. There's a famous story of Sir Walter Raleigh when he was writing his history of the world in which there was some sort of altercation outside of his room in the tower of london and when he asked the people involved what happened he found there was no way he could accurately determine what actually occurred. That was something that happened 5 minutes earlier. He almost threw his history book in the fire.



Do you consider white on white crime to be a huge problem in the white community? About 85% of whites that are killed are killed by other whites.

No I don't, because statistically the numbers surrounding violence are completely different. Black folks are a significantly less in population however make up over half of the murder statistics and most of the perpetrators are black, yet i'm supposed to be outraged when a gang-banging robbery suspect it killed in a confrontation with a cop.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-1

 

[fskimospy]

No I don't, because statistically the numbers surrounding violence are completely different. Black folks are a significantly less in population however make up over half of the murder statistics and most of the perpetrators are black, yet i'm supposed to be outraged when a gang-banging robbery suspect it killed in a confrontation with a cop.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-1

People generally commit crimes against the people they live around and associate with. Since our society is pretty segregated, people of a particular race generally commit crimes overwhelmingly against those of their same race.

If you want to remain logically consistent then if you are concerned with black on black crime you should be concerned with white on white crime, as the percentages are very similar. Funny how nobody ever mentions white on white crime though, huh.

What is sounds more like is that you are worried about the frequency of crimes in the black community, but that is a very different thing.

 

[lotus503]

People generally commit crimes against the people they live around and associate with. Since our society is pretty segregated, people of a particular race generally commit crimes overwhelmingly against those of their same race.

If you want to remain logically consistent then if you are concerned with black on black crime you should be concerned with white on white crime, as the percentages are very similar. Funny how nobody ever mentions white on white crime though, huh.

What is sounds more like is that you are worried about the frequency of crimes in the black community, but that is a very different thing.

Blacks make up 13%? of the population yet make up over 50% of the murders. Yes the frequency is concerning as it leads me to believe people and the media are not interesting in solving any real issues regarding black struggle.

I have a 16 year old Bi-racial Son, I'm the one that has to explain this stuff to him.