NK out of control: warns it may launch a pre-emptive attack on American forces.

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: Deeko
I think its time to remind people that we are the most powerful nation in the world...if we beat the sh!t out of iraq and NK at the same time, maybe all these little pu$$y countries will stop stepping on our toes.

thats what we thought when we bombed Japan. Did it work? No.

If we want to stop other countries from trying to get their hands on WMD, we have to do so by example, not by instilling fear in others. Human beings are the same, wherever we are, lets not forget that everyone has ego's, everyone has a desire for liberty, and everyone wants to be treated with mutual respect. Threatening countries is not the way to go about doing things, it will never lead to world peace, nor will it stop "little pu$$y countries... [from] stepping on our toes."

Whoa! Living in a pretty idealistic pie-in-the-sky world there, aren't you? You think Saddam, Mullah Omar, bin Laden, and Kim Jong Il all have desires for liberty and mutual respect? Should we disarm, and show them by example that the world is a wonderful place?

the people you named are the most extreme examples. i'm talking about the common man, not extremists.

Unfortunately, the some of the extremists have control of WMD.

In reference to the statement that I put in bold, dropping Little Boy and Fat Man was done because we thought it would say lives and end the war as fast as possible. Flexing American might wasnt a primary factor

 

[SherEPunjab]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: Deeko
I think its time to remind people that we are the most powerful nation in the world...if we beat the sh!t out of iraq and NK at the same time, maybe all these little pu$$y countries will stop stepping on our toes.

thats what we thought when we bombed Japan. Did it work? No.

If we want to stop other countries from trying to get their hands on WMD, we have to do so by example, not by instilling fear in others. Human beings are the same, wherever we are, lets not forget that everyone has ego's, everyone has a desire for liberty, and everyone wants to be treated with mutual respect. Threatening countries is not the way to go about doing things, it will never lead to world peace, nor will it stop "little pu$$y countries... [from] stepping on our toes."

Whoa! Living in a pretty idealistic pie-in-the-sky world there, aren't you? You think Saddam, Mullah Omar, bin Laden, and Kim Jong Il all have desires for liberty and mutual respect? Should we disarm, and show them by example that the world is a wonderful place?

the people you named are the most extreme examples. i'm talking about the common man, not extremists.

Unfortunately, the some of the extremists have control of WMD.

In reference to the statement that I put in bold, dropping Little Boy and Fat Man was done because we thought it would say lives and end the war as fast as possible. Flexing American might wasnt a primary factor

Sure it wasn't.

and in reference to the extremists have control of WMD, who is that? only N. Korea is known to have it so far. And by the way, 'extremists' is a relative term. A lot of non-americans think Bush is an extremist.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
We are not sure if he is alive? Well we do know Al Qaeda is alive and well.. yet all of a sudden the attention is now on Iraq, without finishing the job there (south asia) first.

we're still there.

still need to finish that job first. we still don't have evidence of a link, nor have the inspectors finished.

frankly i would be absolutely amazed if the inspectors find anything. but, if the UN resolution says we need to let the inspectors finish, then we do.

 

[tcsenter]

One of my best friends would probably get sent there if war broke out. He now regrets joining the army. Didn't think he actually have to go to war. Smart move Dan.

I know! I went and applied for college. Never did I thought I'd actually have to study or go to class. Boy was I in for a rude awakening.

Why don't they tell you this stuff before you join? Who woulda thunk!

 

[Czar]

thats why the US attacking any country pre-emtpively sets a dangerous precidence that could come and bite the US in the ass someday

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Czar
thats why the US attacking any country pre-emtpively sets a dangerous precidence that could come and bite the US in the ass someday

we're not attacking any country preemptively, we're merely responding to a broken cease-fire

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: Deeko
I think its time to remind people that we are the most powerful nation in the world...if we beat the sh!t out of iraq and NK at the same time, maybe all these little pu$$y countries will stop stepping on our toes.

thats what we thought when we bombed Japan. Did it work? No.

If we want to stop other countries from trying to get their hands on WMD, we have to do so by example, not by instilling fear in others. Human beings are the same, wherever we are, lets not forget that everyone has ego's, everyone has a desire for liberty, and everyone wants to be treated with mutual respect. Threatening countries is not the way to go about doing things, it will never lead to world peace, nor will it stop "little pu$$y countries... [from] stepping on our toes."

Whoa! Living in a pretty idealistic pie-in-the-sky world there, aren't you? You think Saddam, Mullah Omar, bin Laden, and Kim Jong Il all have desires for liberty and mutual respect? Should we disarm, and show them by example that the world is a wonderful place?

the people you named are the most extreme examples. i'm talking about the common man, not extremists.

It's all well and good to play to the enlightened self-interest of the common man, but the problem is that throughout history, extremists have had a tendency to rise to positions of power. Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Napoleon.. Evil does exist in the world; because of this, the best way to maintain peace is through strength. You have to be able to defend what you have or someone will take it away from you at some point, if they consider it valuable.

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

Originally posted by: Deeko
I think its time to remind people that we are the most powerful nation in the world...if we beat the sh!t out of iraq and NK at the same time, maybe all these little pu$$y countries will stop stepping on our toes.

thats what we thought when we bombed Japan. Did it work? No.

If we want to stop other countries from trying to get their hands on WMD, we have to do so by example, not by instilling fear in others. Human beings are the same, wherever we are, lets not forget that everyone has ego's, everyone has a desire for liberty, and everyone wants to be treated with mutual respect. Threatening countries is not the way to go about doing things, it will never lead to world peace, nor will it stop "little pu$$y countries... [from] stepping on our toes."

Whoa! Living in a pretty idealistic pie-in-the-sky world there, aren't you? You think Saddam, Mullah Omar, bin Laden, and Kim Jong Il all have desires for liberty and mutual respect? Should we disarm, and show them by example that the world is a wonderful place?

the people you named are the most extreme examples. i'm talking about the common man, not extremists.

Unfortunately, the some of the extremists have control of WMD.

In reference to the statement that I put in bold, dropping Little Boy and Fat Man was done because we thought it would say lives and end the war as fast as possible. Flexing American might wasnt a primary factor

Sure it wasn't.

and in reference to the extremists have control of WMD, who is that? only N. Korea is known to have it so far. And by the way, 'extremists' is a relative term. A lot of non-americans think Bush is an extremist.

Funny, in everything I've read about the dropping of Little Boy, I don't recall seeing Truman say "now, just to show those ruskkies how big our dicks are, get me Col Tibbets on the phone"

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Czar
thats why the US attacking any country pre-emtpively sets a dangerous precidence that could come and bite the US in the ass someday

I would think to prevent another WWII from happening. Or would you rather see that scenerio play out again? I don't even think you're are that crazy. 🙂

KK

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Czar
thats why the US attacking any country pre-emtpively sets a dangerous precidence that could come and bite the US in the ass someday

I would think to prevent another WWII from happening. Or would you rather see that scenerio play out again? I don't even think you're are that crazy. 🙂

KK

He prefers the Sheryl Crow approach: we should make friends rather than enemies!

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Mookow

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Czar
thats why the US attacking any country pre-emtpively sets a dangerous precidence that could come and bite the US in the ass someday

I would think to prevent another WWII from happening. Or would you rather see that scenerio play out again? I don't even think you're are that crazy. 🙂

KK

He prefers the Sheryl Crow approach: we should make friends rather than enemies!

Well friends are good in some cases. I guess his parents never told him about hanging with the bad crowd in school.

KK

 

[BatmanNate]

This is very distressing news. Not surprising, however distressing none the less. NK is a much more tangible threat to us and our allies (Japan and SK in particular) and IMHO should have been handled long before even giving nod to any of this Iraq business.

 

[BatmanNate]

And from what I gather, they don't teach you kids history in schools any more. Remember what happened the last time we went to war with North Korea? Not such a walk in the park.

 

[tcsenter]

thats why the US attacking any country pre-emtpively sets a dangerous precidence that could come and bite the US in the ass someday

Actually it doesn't. A regime like North Korea isn't going to say "Oh, well, we can get away with this because the US has done it." They will do it or they won't do it according to their own ambitions.

Its as false of a premise as saying "because the police can pull people over and arrest them, well that means it sets a dangerous precedent and will cause someone else to believe they can, too."

Uhhh...no.

 

[Xionide]

well ifthey send nukes i will just hide in my basement so i can die slowly

 

[Moonbeam]

Your false premise premise is false tcsenter, because everybody acknowledges the right of police to pull people over. Nobody important thinks the US has the right to. The Bush doctrine of preemptive attack may already be leading to Nuclear war with millions dead. God I love cowboys.

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Your false premise premise is false tcsenter, because everybody acknowledges the right of police to pull people over. Nobody important thinks the US has the right to. The Bush doctrine of preemptive attack may already be leading to Nuclear war with millions dead. God I love cowboys.

Preemptive? How is this preemptive? After 12 years of broken UN resolutions and not cooperating with inspection, isn't it a bit late instead of preemptive?

 

[Moonbeam]

Nope, Iraq the possibility of Bush working the American people to a froth to invade Iraq didn't happen till 9/11 at which long standing plans for a new American imperialism became a reality. We don't give a flying hoot about violations. We got a chance to grab Iraq and all that represents in terms of American geopolitical advantage. We just have to have cover for our real intentions both from the rest of the world and our own citizens who can't be trusted to know what's best for them, but will readily buy any lie that's patriotic sounding.

 

[tcsenter]

Your false premise premise is false tcsenter, because everybody acknowledges the right of police to pull people over. Nobody important thinks the US has the right to. The Bush doctrine of preemptive attack may already be leading to Nuclear war with millions dead. God I love cowboys.

Everyone acknowledges the authority of police? haha, no, not quite.

And North Korea would be perfectly analogous to the small percentage of quacks in our society who do not acknowlege the authority of police, as anyone who would invoke a legitimate doctrine under illegitimate pretenses for their own purposes. That is really what this is about.

Do we strip authority away from the police because there are David Koresh's in the world? No.

Similarly...

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Nope, Iraq the possibility of Bush working the American people to a froth to invade Iraq didn't happen till 9/11 at which long standing plans for a new American imperialism became a reality. We don't give a flying hoot about violations. We got a chance to grab Iraq and all that represents in terms of American geopolitical advantage. We just have to have cover for our real intentions both from the rest of the world and our own citizens who can't be trusted to know what's best for them, but will readily buy any lie that's patriotic sounding.

Like I've said before, and I'll say it again, I don't give a hoot about what Bush's real intentions are. He is a dumbass.

I care whether the action would be good or not. He has broken 12 years of UN resolutions. He has gassed his own people and perpetrated human rights violations. He is a evil man and it would probably be good to take him out.

 

[rufruf44]

Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
Well, first i would track down Bin Laden (personally, i strongly suspect he is still alive. someone who supposedly masterminded the 9/11 attacks wouldn't be a sitting duck in a cave, he would have surely crossed the border into PK at the least..) and Al Qaeda. I know Al Qaeda is worldwide, so I would work with other governments more and cut them off. Cut off their funding, and recruiting at the least. Meanwhile, I would wait till the U.N. inspectors have come back with their reports, instead of saber rattling. Then, if Iraq is in fact attempting to produce nuclear weapons, I would work with the U.N. to dismantle them, and if Iraq turns hostile, then attack. I would also work on creating a self run revolution in that country, and empower the average citizens there to overthrow Sadaam. I just can't hear Bush on one hand desperately trying to produce some link between the two, and on the other hand move away personnel and resources from south asia when we haven't finished the job there yet, but are so close.

The UN would never approve a resolution for military action against Iraq as long as French has veto power. They've too many $$$ at stakes in deals tied to the Iraq regimes right now (the same with Germany, but they don't have veto power, its much more insignificant at this point).
As far as finishing Al-Qaeda, there're significant limitation when you working with other government. You can't exactly get in there with special forces, destroy and kill every Al-Qaeda in sight, extract, without seriously pissing off those governments. Pakistan can't even seal their border with Afganisthan to stop flow of Al-Qaeda movement in the border region, and there's growing discontent within the population. Indonesia is afraid to crack down on the moslem extremist, because the country is 95% moslem, and fear of enraging most of the population. The Gulf Countries (Saudia Arabia, Yemen, etc) are supporting US war against terrorism, yet the ruling clans have backdoor agreement with Al-Qaeda before hand that'll let their people send $$$ to Al-Qaeda, as long as their regime is left alone......
Average folks like you and me don't know the extend of work the CIA & FBI is currently involved on, and the kind of problem and limitation they're encountering daily to root Al-Qaeda. Its not as easy as typing in front of a pc.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

If WWIII starts, it will start with Korea.

 

[BooneRebel]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Your false premise premise is false tcsenter, because everybody acknowledges the right of police to pull people over. Nobody important thinks the US has the right to. The Bush doctrine of preemptive attack may already be leading to Nuclear war with millions dead. God I love cowboys.

Specifically, the cowboy from the Village People. 😀

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
If WWIII starts, it will start with Korea.

i dunno bout that.. i have a feeling if iraq fights back, that'll be the catalyst which begins ww3

 

[Jimbo]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Nope, Iraq the possibility of Bush working the American people to a froth to invade Iraq didn't happen till 9/11 at which long standing plans for a new American imperialism became a reality. We don't give a flying hoot about violations. We got a chance to grab Iraq and all that represents in terms of American geopolitical advantage. We just have to have cover for our real intentions both from the rest of the world and our own citizens who can't be trusted to know what's best for them, but will readily buy any lie that's patriotic sounding.

As opposed to the leftist that will buy any conspiracy theory that's not even good enough to make it into the Enquirer.
Where did you get that from? A Noam Chomsky book?