Nixeus Vue 27" WQHD (2560x1440) S-IPS LED Monitor for $430?!

[Despoiler]

Where is the full Anand review? They noted they would have a monitor to test before the first batch was sold. I would like to know the input lag before pulling the trigger on this monitor. My current monitor, the 23" NEC EA231WMi, is an e-ips panel and has 8.8ms input lag, which is very good for IPS.

 

[Despoiler]

Wow these are $499 now at both places that sell them.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Review has been up for a bit now. I told you it has pretty high input lag, it's clearly displayed in these charts. 30ms is bad, that's almost two full frames of lag.

 

[imaheadcase]

two full frames of lag is bad, said no one ever.

 

[PowerHungry42]

After reading the review I tried to cancel my order that I placed in August from Compuplus, and was told that the order could not be cancelled, they charged my credit card even when shipping won't be until mid-October,

 

[Destiny]

Review has been up for a bit now. I told you it has pretty high input lag, it's clearly displayed in these charts. 30ms is bad, that's almost two full frames of lag.

two full frames of lag is bad, said no one ever.

If you read the article carefully, his test was using non-native resolution at 1080p to measure input lag - which would be a crime to buy this monitor to PLAY at 1080p... Chris stated that input lag may actually be less if he had a way to measure it using native resolution @ 2560x1440 and may be closer or less than 1 frame... He was using a display port to DVI adapter I think.

I actually think its less than 2 frames, if it was two frames I would notice it and it would affect my gaming.

After reading the review I tried to cancel my order that I placed in August from Compuplus, and was told that the order could not be cancelled, they charged my credit card even when shipping won't be until mid-October,

I guess its time to visit my bank and see what they can do. But, I won't do business with Compuplus again.

Are you sure you are speaking to the right person? I bought stuff from them before and returned/refund stuff with no issues.

Your statement reminded me of what I heard at the AT&T store today for people getting iPhone 5 = they were stating pre-orders are not refundable.

 

[PowerHungry42]

I used their online customer service, I'll try calling Sat??

 

[tweakboy]

These are horrible at 7ms response time. FPS will be laggy. The lowest a LED is 5ms. It's either a 5 or 7ms or higher 10ms. :thumbsdown:

 

[Peter Nixeus]

I used their online customer service, I'll try calling Sat??

Try calling them and speaking to a Live Representative. If anything, you may contact us directly and I will speak to them regarding your order.

two full frames of lag is bad, said no one ever.

Please keep in mind that the input lag test was performed at 1080p on a 2560x1440 monitor - if you were to use the NX-VUE27 at 1080p the 2 frames of lag would be noticeable, however if you were to use the NX-VUE27's native resolution of 2560x1440 input lag would be less. Responses from our current NX-VUE27 customers for their 2560x1440 gaming have been overwhelming positive.

 

[PowerHungry42]

They are closed for the High Holidays, I'll try calling them again and telling them to contact you, thanks again!!

 

[chrisheinonen]

Input lag was tested using DisplayPort and DVI, and both were the same. The dE measurements were done using the DisplayPort to DVI adapter (this is discussed more on the next monitor review being published) as I do those in OS X, but I do the lag measurements in Windows using SMTT. SMTT also does a full pixel-on to pixel-off to measure response time, since that should be the worst case scenario, whereas most panel vendors (and therefore display vendors) use a GTG response time that might not be nearly as stringent.

I really hate that the lag times might be off, but I really don't have a good way to test monitors of this resolution for lag. CRTs don't do 2560x1440 natively, and the CRT and LCD have to run at the same resolution to be tested properly. There is a nice new lag device that someone made for testing TVs, but it caps out at 1080p since it's designed for TVs and HDMI as well. Until OLED is available, and one with zero lag and instant pixel response, this might be the best I can offer unfortunately.

You can also look at the charts and see that only the 27" HP, with no scaler, has less lag for 2560x1440 displays. So if you can test out another 27" display and it works fine, the Nixeus should work fine I would assume.

 

[Anarchist420]

Input lag was tested using DisplayPort and DVI, and both were the same. The dE measurements were done using the DisplayPort to DVI adapter (this is discussed more on the next monitor review being published) as I do those in OS X, but I do the lag measurements in Windows using SMTT. SMTT also does a full pixel-on to pixel-off to measure response time, since that should be the worst case scenario, whereas most panel vendors (and therefore display vendors) use a GTG response time that might not be nearly as stringent.

I really hate that the lag times might be off, but I really don't have a good way to test monitors of this resolution for lag. CRTs don't do 2560x1440 natively, and the CRT and LCD have to run at the same resolution to be tested properly. There is a nice new lag device that someone made for testing TVs, but it caps out at 1080p since it's designed for TVs and HDMI as well. Until OLED is available, and one with zero lag and instant pixel response, this might be the best I can offer unfortunately.

You can also look at the charts and see that only the 27" HP, with no scaler, has less lag for 2560x1440 displays. So if you can test out another 27" display and it works fine, the Nixeus should work fine I would assume.

Why can't you just use the GPU's 1:1 PM? Summarize, if you don't mind

I know that devices recognize TVs as TVs and monitors as monitors, but I've never really understood why and I've not given it much thought anyway.

Also, why would OLEDs be anymore likely than current LCDs to not have any input lag if they will both be digital? Just wondering It's not like they're going to use DDM much more with OLEDs and I'm sure there will still be just as much processing as well. I'm really disappointed about the fact that OLEDs and insanely high resolution are all the rage when LCDs can be improved so much... even though the latter can't have anywhere near as close to near zero response time as OLEDs do, I think OLEDs will have just as many problems as LCDs have had especially considering how much easier it is to improve an old format (using existing technologies on top of that) than to start a new one.

I can understand the want for uber high resolutions, but if the resolution goes up, then something else requiring bandwidth will have to be sacrificed. I don't see why 3200x1920 isn't sufficient when refresh rates will have to remain the same when the resolution goes straight to quadruple what it was.

 

[skipsneeky2]

My old ass fpd1730 17'' lcd has a 30ms response time,would that make a huge difference gameplay wise in a fps like BF3 in close combat situations?

I find myself getting into these close combat engagements and if you sat and watched,you would think i was firing rubber bullets,or my display has major lag going on...i put a clip into a recon yesterday right in his chest from my m416 with frag rounds,zero hit damage ,zero server lag,good fps well over 100...he popped me with his m98 ....while rocking 100% health.

Notice that issue above has happened pretty much all the time since i got this thing,which was close to free anyways....

 

[Despoiler]

My old ass fpd1730 17'' lcd has a 30ms response time,would that make a huge difference gameplay wise in a fps like BF3 in close combat situations?

I find myself getting into these close combat engagements and if you sat and watched,you would think i was firing rubber bullets,or my display has major lag going on...i put a clip into a recon yesterday right in his chest from my m416 with frag rounds,zero hit damage ,zero server lag,good fps well over 100...he popped me with his m98 ....while rocking 100% health.

Notice that issue above has happened pretty much all the time since i got this thing,which was close to free anyways....

Yes, you want sub 1 frame of input lag if you can get it. 30ms is obscene. You might check to see if there is a gaming mode that bypasses the internal processing.

 

[kevinsbane]

Why can't you just use the GPU's 1:1 PM? Summarize, if you don't mind

GPU would be rendering two different frames - a 1920x1080 frame sent to the CRT, and a 2560x1440 frame sent to the Nixeus. Yes, the 2560x1440 frame is really just a 1920x1080 padded out to 2560x1440, but it does introduce additional complexity. Especially since you'd have to use two outputs to do it. the way it should be done is sending the same video signal to two different monitors via a cable splitter.

 

[blackened23]

Review has been up for a bit now. I told you it has pretty high input lag, it's clearly displayed in these charts. 30ms is bad, that's almost two full frames of lag.

They did the test at a non native resolution so you can go ahead and throw the results out. Of course it has lag at a non native resolution, whoever did the review screwed up. In fact, I dare say the reviewer was borderline idiotic. Non native resolution ALWAYS has significantly more input lag than native resolution.

That said...i'm not a fan of the korean monitors at all...just saying though.

 

[Peter Nixeus]

We had two NX-VUE27 side by side in mirroring display mode for input lag comparison with both at 2560x1440 Resolutions; One connected by Dual Link DVI-D and one connected by DisplayPort 1.2. The Dual Link DVI connection had less input lag than the DisplayPort connection:.

The NX-VUE27 on the Left is using a DVI Connection and the NX-VUE27 on the right is using a DisplayPort Connection. Both are connected to a Nvidia GTX 670.

 

[Anarchist420]

GPU would be rendering two different frames - a 1920x1080 frame sent to the CRT, and a 2560x1440 frame sent to the Nixeus. Yes, the 2560x1440 frame is really just a 1920x1080 padded out to 2560x1440, but it does introduce additional complexity. Especially since you'd have to use two outputs to do it. the way it should be done is sending the same video signal to two different monitors via a cable splitter.

Thank you I feel dumb. However, that's not your fault

 

[Peter Nixeus]

They did the test at a non native resolution so you can go ahead and throw the results out. Of course it has lag at a non native resolution, whoever did the review screwed up. In fact, I dare say the reviewer was borderline idiotic. Non native resolution ALWAYS has significantly more input lag than native resolution.

That said...i'm not a fan of the korean monitors at all...just saying though.

Overall it was a fair review given the fact that the reviewer did not have a native 2560x1440 with 0 input lag to compare to. From our own tests it seems that input lag is also dependent on the input used on the monitor as shown in the above earlier post with a DVI vs DisplayPort connection.

The Korean Ebay Brands (not talking about Samsung or LG Monitors), are using A- Grade. Which are lower grades than the panels used in the NX-VUE27.

For clarification, since day one prodction the NX-VUE27 are using H-IPS LG panels (Not S-IPS, which was the generic term our marketing team used). We are also using different variations of LG LM270WQ1 panels, which may also account for variances in input lag/contrast ratios/max brightness, requiring only that they be A grade panels or better - and in some production runs we have sourced only A+ Grade (If A grades are not available) in order to meet demand and requirements for the retail market.