Nixeus Vue 27" WQHD (2560x1440) S-IPS LED Monitor for $430?!

[Destiny]

Well, I ordered my Nixeus Vue 27" today and hope to have delivery by Oct. 9th. The price went up from $429.99 to $449.99 which includes shipping.

They seemed to have sold out of two lots already, but the only posting from somebody who has one is Destiny.

How big are the lots, 20 to 20 pieces??

I ordered it and got permission to pick it up from their warehouse last week since they didn't ship it yet... so I may have got mines before most people... That is the good thing about living in the LA area... I have NewEgg, EVGA, Gigabyte, MSI, Kingston, MWave, NCIXUSA, etc all in about 30 minutes drive... and did I mention there are LOTS of great places to eat and hot chicks here during the summer too! :sneaky:

There is another person who is trying to get it to work with their Zenbook laptop here:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=33908279&posted=1#post33908279

 

[imaheadcase]

The lag is there and measurable if you wish to try it. Most people simply ignore it.

There is a small section of gamers who go out of their way to measure and determine which monitors offer the lowest amount of lag (1 frame or less) for competitive play. If you knew anything about playing competitive fighting games you would know that we measure timing in terms of frames, if you are slow by one frame you miss the combo and that can be the difference between a win and a loss.

/rolls eyes by small section you mean hardly anyone in the world.

 

[imaheadcase]

Where did I say high? Quote me and prove that...otherwise go away.

It has more input lag than the korean models with only DVI. That is a 100% fact and guarantee. WHen you add more inputs you also add a little bit of input lag to the monitor. This is well documented if you want to do a search. For some gamers this actually makes a difference that is indisputable.

It's all about your usage. I've mentioned competitive fighters where you measure frames to time moves and combos. If you miss that single frame then you are done. It's why playing Street Fighter IV with vsync is impossible for people who are competitive.

I don't think you understand what competitive actually means. Here is a fact that is undisputed..competitive gamers are not the target market for ANY MONITOR in existence. Companies don't pour millions into R&D for less than %1 of people. simply fact. The difference between the best monitor for gaming for input lag and a standard monitor is not a issue.

You also keep comparing Street Fighter? That is not even a competitive game for crying out loud. lol I'm not sure how you can be a "lifer" at anandtech and not know these basic things about monitors.

 

[Throckmorton]

I don't think you understand what competitive actually means. Here is a fact that is undisputed..competitive gamers are not the target market for ANY MONITOR in existence. Companies don't pour millions into R&D for less than %1 of people. simply fact. The difference between the best monitor for gaming for input lag and a standard monitor is not a issue.

You also keep comparing Street Fighter? That is not even a competitive game for crying out loud. lol I'm not sure how you can be a "lifer" at anandtech and not know these basic things about monitors.

I don't care about all this competitive stuff, but I want as little input lag as possible so I prefer DVI

 

[Anarchist420]

I don't care about all this competitive stuff, but I want as little input lag as possible so I prefer DVI

What gives more lag than DVI?

 

[djsb]

What gives more lag than DVI?

The circuitry to support many inputs sits between the input signal and the panel, and adds lag. Thus the simpler the circuitry, the lower the lag. The HP ZR30W, for example, is a 2560x1600 monitor with less input lag than many 1080p monitors because it lacks the circuitry for an OSD entirely.

Also, a question for Peter: I see that the monitor supports DisplayPort 1.2. Is there any chance that a future model will implement the daisychaining feature of DP 1.2?

 

[cmdrdredd]

I don't think you understand what competitive actually means. Here is a fact that is undisputed..competitive gamers are not the target market for ANY MONITOR in existence. Companies don't pour millions into R&D for less than %1 of people. simply fact. The difference between the best monitor for gaming for input lag and a standard monitor is not a issue.

You also keep comparing Street Fighter? That is not even a competitive game for crying out loud. lol I'm not sure how you can be a "lifer" at anandtech and not know these basic things about monitors.

Street Fighter isn't competitive? Ever hear of EVO? Wow... Do a little reading before you make a fool of yourself. http://evo.shoryuken.com/

Before you ask no I'm not good at Street Fighter but I understand how the game works and no I do not do tourneys.

I didn't say companies market monitors for competitive gaming. You are blatantly spewing crap I never said. You really are sad. I am saying there are gamers who seek out monitors with lower lag. Is that so hard to believe? What's wrong with you?

 

[Anarchist420]

The circuitry to support many inputs sits between the input signal and the panel, and adds lag. Thus the simpler the circuitry, the lower the lag. The HP ZR30W, for example, is a 2560x1600 monitor with less input lag than many 1080p monitors because it lacks the circuitry for an OSD entirely.

Also, a question for Peter: I see that the monitor supports DisplayPort 1.2. Is there any chance that a future model will implement the daisychaining feature of DP 1.2?

Thanks DVI itself doesn't necessarily add more lag than, say, DisplayPort itself... right?

I have, however, heard of HDTVs with a lot of circuitry though that had lower than average input lag (I believe there was at least one 2008 Panasonic Viera model that had a maximum input lag less than 5 ms in game mode and it was an Alpha IPS panel too), although then the game mode turns off most of the extra circuitry and the only digital inputs it had was HDMI. I guess what the monitor makers should do is make different circuits for each input and then when one is plugged in, all the other inputs are automatically cut off... however, I don't know whether that would reduce input lag as much as just having one input. I personally think that DL-DVI is really all that's necessary.

It truly is a shame that most monitor vendors don't advertise the maximum input lag their monitors have or even precise info of the processing they use and of course it's a shame that they don't list how good the power supplies they use are.

 

[imaheadcase]

Street Fighter isn't competitive? Ever hear of EVO? Wow... Do a little reading before you make a fool of yourself. http://evo.shoryuken.com/

Before you ask no I'm not good at Street Fighter but I understand how the game works and no I do not do tourneys.

I didn't say companies market monitors for competitive gaming. You are blatantly spewing crap I never said. You really are sad. I am saying there are gamers who seek out monitors with lower lag. Is that so hard to believe? What's wrong with you?

Again its not a competitive game. It does not have a huge following compared to other games.

You keep spewing nonsense about input lag when its a non-issue. Gamers don't seek out monitors with low input lag. They like anyone else want a good overall monitor. Its foolish to buy a monitor based on input lag alone.

 

[ViRGE]

Thanks DVI itself doesn't necessarily add more lag than, say, DisplayPort itself... right?

Interesting aside: there's a specific type of DisplayPort implementation that would actually have less lag than DVI. The Direct Drive Monitor mode allows a panel to be directly driven via DisplayPort, which would skip the monitor processing step entirely.

 

[Zardnok]

Am I the only one appreciative that Peter Nixues himself came here to answer questions?

I know I am in need of shopping for a new monitor for Christmas.

Yes, it is refreshing that someone cares about their products enough to discuss them in an open forum.

I love my Shimian Achieva 27" and wish I had two more. The problem is desk space and I have a large desk. With the Nixeus monitors, I could do three vertical and still have room for two towers. Depending on how the next few months go money wise, I may end up picking up 3 of these for Christmas and selling my current 27". Of course that would mean another 670 as well, so it wouldn't be cheap.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Again its not a competitive game. It does not have a huge following compared to other games.

You keep spewing nonsense about input lag when its a non-issue. Gamers don't seek out monitors with low input lag. They like anyone else want a good overall monitor. Its foolish to buy a monitor based on input lag alone.

I bet you think gamers don't buy cards based on higher FPS numbers either *roll eyes*.

 

[blackened23]

Interesting aside: there's a specific type of DisplayPort implementation that would actually have less lag than DVI. The Direct Drive Monitor mode allows a panel to be directly driven via DisplayPort, which would skip the monitor processing step entirely.

Any word on when this will be on the market? Do cards have to support this, or how does that work?

 

[ViRGE]

Any word on when this will be on the market? Do cards have to support this, or how does that work?

It's primarily meant for laptops. I don't expect we'll ever see it in desktops.

 

[Paul Braren]

Just an FYI, I'm using a 15' DisplayPort cable:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ls_o06_s00_i00

to connect my ThinkPad W520 laptop directly to my Nixeus, and have written up my experience so far over here (with unboxing/assembly/test video):
http://tinkertry.com/close-look-nixeus-led-2560x1440-27-inch-monitor

 

[smackababy]

Again its not a competitive game. It does not have a huge following compared to other games.

You keep spewing nonsense about input lag when its a non-issue. Gamers don't seek out monitors with low input lag. They like anyone else want a good overall monitor. Its foolish to buy a monitor based on input lag alone.

Having a following and being competitive are completely different. SF4 has a huge following, not only in America, but in Asia as well. There are multiple tournaments held yearly centered around this community.

But I guess because Dota 2 hasn't sold millions of copies, it isn't competitive either...

 

[Peter Nixeus]

Also, a question for Peter: I see that the monitor supports DisplayPort 1.2. Is there any chance that a future model will implement the daisychaining feature of DP 1.2?

We are looking to add more products to the Nixeus Vue family. At this time I cannot give firm answers to questions regarding potential new products until I have confirmation from our product development team.

Thank-you for understanding.

 

[Phynaz]

Next product - non-glossy screen.

 

[rtangwai]

We are looking to add more products to the Nixeus Vue family. At this time I cannot give firm answers to questions regarding potential new products until I have confirmation from our product development team.

Thank-you for understanding.

Will you be authorizing a retailer in Canada for the Nixeus Vue 27" anytime soon? I know NCIX in Canada is authorized for other products you manufacture, but they currently don't list the Vue 27" for sale. I am aware that several of the online sellers of the Vue 27" will ship to Canada, but as a Canadian I prefer to deal with a Canadian retailer/e-tailer as it prevents issues with warranties and cross-border shipping/customs. I am loathe to deal with the Korean eBay sellers as the potential warranty issues are a nightmare waiting to happen, I would gladly pay the price you are offering the Vue 27" at for that peace of mind alone (quite apart from the plethora of inputs the Vue 27" provides).

 

[chrisheinonen]

I have a review unit and much of the testing done but I am at the CEDIA Expo this week (covering projectors and blu-ray players) but will be back to finish testing this weekend and have the review of it up ASAP.

 

[imaheadcase]

I bet you think gamers don't buy cards based on higher FPS numbers either *roll eyes*.

Eh, nope they don't actually. Same reasoning applies. People buy based on what they need, not what its capable of.

Majority of people want a card that is not expensive and lasts long. They don't care if it has high fps. Just because you visit gaming websites and browse tech forums, hate to break it to you, we are not the main consumer of cards. 40 year old gamers with 5 kids that just want something that works for Hello Kitty games are because they are the mass market.

 

[imaheadcase]

Having a following and being competitive are completely different. SF4 has a huge following, not only in America, but in Asia as well. There are multiple tournaments held yearly centered around this community.

But I guess because Dota 2 hasn't sold millions of copies, it isn't competitive either...

Lets see the last time I heard about Sf4 on a major gaming website..never.
Last time I head about dota 2,counterstrike, starcraft 2, etc. Every week.

 

[Peter Nixeus]

Will you be authorizing a retailer in Canada for the Nixeus Vue 27" anytime soon? I know NCIX in Canada is authorized for other products you manufacture, but they currently don't list the Vue 27" for sale. I am aware that several of the online sellers of the Vue 27" will ship to Canada, but as a Canadian I prefer to deal with a Canadian retailer/e-tailer as it prevents issues with warranties and cross-border shipping/customs. I am loathe to deal with the Korean eBay sellers as the potential warranty issues are a nightmare waiting to happen, I would gladly pay the price you are offering the Vue 27" at for that peace of mind alone (quite apart from the plethora of inputs the Vue 27" provides).

We are currently working on authorizing a retailer in Canada.

 

[digitaldurandal]

/rolls eyes by small section you mean hardly anyone in the world.

I specifically researched input lag before dropping 500 bucks on a monitor. I don't think it is a strange thing to do. I think that you do not care about it, therefor you are projecting it onto everyone else. 16ms is about 1 frame, and is easily the difference of life or death in an fps. Also it puts you that much further behind a server, so if your ping is 100ms, you should tack on your frame lag (no monitor is zero) so a mediocre monitor is about 32ms (about 2 frames), so it is almost as if your ping is 132 because you have the additional lag from the NIC incoming to your monitor outputting.

Some of the Dell/apple monitors really got spurned by the FPS crowd because they had input lag of 60+ms which gets to be very noticeable without any measurement.

Many gamers have specifically chosen TN even though it does not have superior viewing angle or color reproduction simply because many of the monitors have very low response times. There have been discussions about it on these very forums. It is not a rare thing for someone who is into computer hardware to also care that the monitor has good response times. You just don't care yourself. Which is fine, buy whatever you want. Personally, I will research my purchase and buy the monitor that I believe best suits me - which if you are a smart consumer you will too (although your needs may be different.)

 

[digitaldurandal]

Lets see the last time I heard about Sf4 on a major gaming website..never.
Last time I head about dota 2,counterstrike, starcraft 2, etc. Every week.

Competitive counterstrike players care about input lag..