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I didn't see any updated benchmarks with a 6800. My theory is based on the Alpha scores on the 59xx cards which were in many cases below even a 9600 Pro so considering that high end 9xxx cards still are about the same as ATI 9xxx cards as well as with the new high end XT cards, so x800 should still be better then 6800. 6800 may have vastly improved shaders, I have not seen evidence that it could make up all the deficit of 59xx cards.

If I am wrong and they are indeed about the same then I am very disappointed in the DOOM3 team. If HL2 could fix the performance for nvidia, I don't see why the could not fix it for ATI. And from most other games, I can't agree that the ATI hardware is so inferior so DOOM3 has no excuse.
 
Originally posted by: Shamrock
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=32574

NV wins 54
ATI wins 24
Draw 4 times

NV is king of more than Doom 3

These are for the GT vs the X800 Pro, but I can find you the ultra vs XT if you like.
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Yes, that would be useful as opposed to telling us something we already know. It's from nvnews, no less. I'm sure those are hand-picked benchmarks. It doesn't even say what resolutions were used. :roll:

Post the X800XT/6800U benchmarks just for fun. They should be closer, but who knows coming from nvnews.

It's common knowledge that the GT beats out the PRO at this point.

Shamrock you'll fit right in here in the video forum with your level of bias.
 
I guess you never even bothered to look at the graph? it may be from NVnew, but the gragh shows the top 8 website reviews for the comparions. The comparisons come from Anandtech,Digit-Life, Extremetech, FiringSquad, Hot Hardware, Tech Report, Tom's Hardware, and X-Bit Labs. They excluded Hard OCP, because of the way they benchmark. Your bias is showing as well Sick. As for resolutions, it's ALL resolutions, as said in the comments, only one site (ExtremeTech) used no AF in 1280x1024 and 16x12. The results are fair, you just dont want to believe them.

Well, here are the results for the XT vs Ultras, and yes ATI won them, but it's ALOT closer than the GT vs Pro.

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=28520

NV wins 61
ATI wins 74
Draw is 6 times

BUT, if you COMBINE the 2 spreadsheets

NV : 54+61= 115
ATI : 24 + 74 = 98
DRAW: 10 times.

BUT, if you want to figure in benchmarks for for 6800NU vs what for ATI? That would increase the lead more.

And what do you mean I will fit right in here? I joined BEFORE you did, I'm just not as vocal. I'm no noob to Anand forums.

All in all, NV wins the mid range by a landslide, ATI wins the highend by a more narrow margin. Combine both, NV wins overall, That's not counting the 68nu

have a nice day 🙂
 
the gt and pro don't matter. its the company flagship that matters.
BTW, if you are going to compare the gt and pro, you might as well compare the mobile solutions as well.
and we all know ATI's mobile 9800 rules.

also, if you look at anandtechs farcry results, the x800pro and gt trade blows in each 4AA 8AF bench, yet that site lists gt as the winner. Not only that, but most of the demos anandtech ran showing nvidia gains were nvidia supplied demos. As sickbeast pointed out, there is some obvious bias there, but it is nvnews isn't it?
 
Originally posted by: gururu
As sickbeast pointed out, there is some obvious bias there
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Without resolutions and driver revisions, those numbers are basically useless. As I said before, they are hand-picked benchmarks to make nVidia look better.

Originally posted by: Shamrock
Your bias is showing as well Sick.
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I dunno, if you look around you'll see numerous threads such as this one where I support nVidia.

All that I've seen from your side is constant nVidia propaganda, no offence.

I have a nasty habit of letting people with intense personal bias get under my skin.
 
Originally posted by: gururu
the gt and pro don't matter. its the company flagship that matters.
BTW, if you are going to compare the gt and pro, you might as well compare the mobile solutions as well.
and we all know ATI's mobile 9800 rules.

also, if you look at anandtechs farcry results, the x800pro and gt trade blows in each 4AA 8AF bench, yet that site lists gt as the winner. Not only that, but most of the demos anandtech ran showing nvidia gains were nvidia supplied demos. As sickbeast pointed out, there is some obvious bias there, but it is nvnews isn't it?
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Is ATI's mobile 9800 available and if so which motherboard uses it?
 
You guys are forgetting something, those graphs are old. Should we all figure in the new 61.77 drivers as well? Those graphs show ATI in the lead in Farcry, but as of now, FarCry is owned by NV is several new tests. I know of, in x-bit labs, and Digit-Life.
 
What will u think of ATI if they lose in performance on half life 2 as well ?
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It's unlikely they will since it's their turf - a D3D 9.0 title with heavy use of shaders.

Also OpenGL used to be squarely nVidia's turf but the minor Catalyst 4.8 seems to have yielded astonishing performance gains across the board for the X800 series. Bascially the X800 XT is the fastest card across the board in most games (including OpenGL titles) with Doom III being the notable exception.
 
Is ATI's mobile 9800 available and if so which motherboard uses it?
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Motherboard?

Dell Inspiron XPS "notebook" will reputably ship by the 18th of August, however, picking "256MB DDR ATI's MOBILITY? RADEON? 9800 AGP 8X Graphics" will delay it at least 3 more days.
Link

Translation: Its nearly as available as the X800XT PE and 6800 U 🙂
 
6800 GT = 16 pipes x800 Pro = 12 Pipes. GT has the advantage and as I said I think this may be bad for Nvidia as they have an amazingly fast card barely slower then the Ultra extreme for a whole lot less cash. The GT has close to or is the best price to performance value in most games especially newer ones which is something I don't usually see with top performing cards.

X800 XT and 6800 Ultra Extreme with 16 pipes are a better matched comparison just like the 6800 NU and the X800 Pro, both 12 pipes.

ATI really needs to release a GT competitor with 16 pipes.

This is a strange round. Top cards are decently matched but when you go gown the ladder it is horrible. A little like when geforce 4 was released with no real competition and then the 9700 Pro with no real competition. But those were because of generation gaps between releases. But here some cards are perfectly matched and some matches are horrible.
 
Was a little bored so I decided to further clarify how I see current performance.


------------------------------------------------------| 6800 Ultra Extreme
-----------------------------------------------------| 6800 GT
----------------------------| 6800 NU

-----------------------------------------------------------| X800 XT
-----------------------------------------| X800 Pro

-------------------| 9800 XT/5950 Ultra

GT is barely slower then the UE, X800 XT is faster the UE by a larger merging then between GT and UE, the X800 Pro is much slower then the GT and the 6800 NU is even much more slower then the Pro. I have seen the 6800 get beaten by an 9800 XT when everything else seems fine. I slow memory speeds as an excuse but that is to much of a difference. It is like a 6800 can run on only 12 pipes, strange.

This is in neutral games when the 9800 XT and 5950 Ultra offer reasonably equal performance so neither ATI or Nvidia has an initial advantage.

Disclaimer, These lines are not designed to be actual benchmarks and the beginning of the line is not zero. This is just a general observation from benchmarks I have seen and may be exaggerated.
 
Originally posted by: Shamrock
You guys are forgetting something, those graphs are old. Should we all figure in the new 61.77 drivers as well? Those graphs show ATI in the lead in Farcry, but as of now, FarCry is owned by NV is several new tests. I know of, in x-bit labs, and Digit-Life.
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Are you talking about this?

That's the latest x-bit article benchmarking Far Cry. If you look down to the AA/AF benchmarks, the X800XT is ~20-30% faster than the 6800U. I don't know why anyone wouldn't enable AA/AF if they were getting 78FPS at 1600x1200. The situation is even more amplified at lower resolutions.

If you consider 78.2FPS vs. 78FPS "owned", I honestly don't know what's wrong with you. Those are the scores without AA/AF, the only benchmarks the 6800U was competetive in.

The other maps show similar results; I picked the first one out of convenience. If you hand pick a benchmark, you may be able to show the 6800U ahead of the X800XT by 10%. I wouldn't put that past you though.
 
Yes, ATI is king of a all games that are not out yet. But Im pretty sure Nvidia will kill ATi when Duke Nukem comes out.
 
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