Nitrogen chemical?

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: SagaLore
I'm looking for a molecule that is mostly comprised of nitrogen atoms, and is liquid at room temperature.

Ideas?

Nitric acid?


or NI3 and KNO3 are solid at room temp.

HNO3 isn't mostly nitrogen and the salts are both solids. Although 70% conc nitric acid is fun...

im aware they are both solids...

Originally posted by: SagaLore
A lot of liquid chemicals are a mix of hydrogen and/or carbon. I just want to find one that is nitrogen. It needs to be liquid at normal pressure too - or a solid that is readily soluble.

They are both solids that aren't mainly nitrogen was the implied point. Sorry if it didn't come across that way.

I like the idea though, as at least they are reasonably safe...

NI3 is not safe, not even close.

Depends on your definition of reasonable... you can make it in small quantities and not kill yourself... unless you let it dry out.

Edit: although technically I'm talking about NI3:NH4

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: SagaLore
Yea I don't want something unstable or too toxic.

Then you are likely going to have to let some carbon be there too.

Add four carbons to the hydrazine (C4H4N2) and you get a slew of possible products, most of which aren't too dangerous and most of which are liquid at or near room temperature. Things like pyrimidine, pyridazine, etc.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: SagaLore
Well so far I've looked up Ammonium Nitrate and Nitric Acid, and I'm realizing that these are super dangerous and probably not my best bet...

Looking at their molecular pictorial representations, I also see that the N is typically the base for a lot of non-N atoms. There isn't anything that uses N chains, kind of like C chains?

Nitrogen will chain with Sulfur, but generally is < 50% nitrogen.

Yuck.

Okay, this isn't working out.

I was looking for a combustible liquid fuel that would result in Di-nitrogen exhaust.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: SagaLore
Well so far I've looked up Ammonium Nitrate and Nitric Acid, and I'm realizing that these are super dangerous and probably not my best bet...

Looking at their molecular pictorial representations, I also see that the N is typically the base for a lot of non-N atoms. There isn't anything that uses N chains, kind of like C chains?

nitrogen is a strange animal, and really doesn't like remaining in bonds. So the bonds that it forms, tend to be dangerous in one way or another.

Nitrite/nitrate salts are probably going to be one of your 'safer' bets.

But no, it doesn't seem that there are ever really N chains. The closest you may get to this, is finding N in an anion, but due to the fact that it's an anion, you're going to run across it in some shape or form that you'd really not want to mess with on most occasions.
So some kind of Nitrite/Nitrate salts are probably the best best, where you can use various reactions to draw away the anion, but actually breaking everything up to just get the N is going to be basically impossible in a household setting.

The safest possible road to travel would be getting N2O (laughing gas). It's safe to handle, but the issue is it's a gas. If you are looking to create a reaction, maybe get a container where one reactant is kept, and the N2O is pumped into the container to eventually create a pressure higher than atmospheric.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: SagaLore
Well so far I've looked up Ammonium Nitrate and Nitric Acid, and I'm realizing that these are super dangerous and probably not my best bet...

Looking at their molecular pictorial representations, I also see that the N is typically the base for a lot of non-N atoms. There isn't anything that uses N chains, kind of like C chains?

Nitrogen will chain with Sulfur, but generally is < 50% nitrogen.

Yuck.

Okay, this isn't working out.

I was looking for a combustible liquid fuel that would result in Di-nitrogen exhaust.

That is pretty much hydrazine ...

Go to rocket fuel.

 

[ItTheCow]

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: SagaLore
Well so far I've looked up Ammonium Nitrate and Nitric Acid, and I'm realizing that these are super dangerous and probably not my best bet...

Looking at their molecular pictorial representations, I also see that the N is typically the base for a lot of non-N atoms. There isn't anything that uses N chains, kind of like C chains?

Nitrogen will chain with Sulfur, but generally is < 50% nitrogen.

Yuck.

Okay, this isn't working out.

I was looking for a combustible liquid fuel that would result in Di-nitrogen exhaust.

That is pretty much hydrazine ...

Yep.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: ItTheCow

Originally posted by: PlasmaBomb

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: SagaLore
Well so far I've looked up Ammonium Nitrate and Nitric Acid, and I'm realizing that these are super dangerous and probably not my best bet...

Looking at their molecular pictorial representations, I also see that the N is typically the base for a lot of non-N atoms. There isn't anything that uses N chains, kind of like C chains?

Nitrogen will chain with Sulfur, but generally is < 50% nitrogen.

Yuck.

Okay, this isn't working out.

I was looking for a combustible liquid fuel that would result in Di-nitrogen exhaust.

That is pretty much hydrazine ...

Yep.

Yep. However getting hydrazine is probably quite difficult since it is toxic, and so producing it on your own to result in it as a reaction product will likely be a dangerous environment to work in.

It's been awhile since I've had chemistry, and the minor things I don't care much about anymore, but enjoy reading about the basics.
One option, as I mentioned earlier, is N2O. If you can find someone to strip the O atom off of the gas, the N2 is already bonded strongly and will just increase its bond.
But in my searches recently, I wasn't able to really find any reaction that can be done in your own home with N2O to produce N2. It seemed the common reaction was using H + N2O, resulting in N2 and OH, but it appeared to require a good bit of lab work to do.
The other option on a similar path would be N2O4, but that's basically in the same boat as hydrazine. Hell, combining the two is a propellant as well, or using catalysts with either one individually results in that reaction.

 

[Gibsons]

Hydrazine is used pretty commonly in some molecular biology protocols, so most of the big chem supply places (sigma aldrich etc) should have it.

 

[SagaLore]

Hmm...

maybe I should just stick with sugar molecules. 😛

 

[PlasmaBomb]

On 24 July 1975, nitrogen tetroxide NTO poisoning nearly killed the three astronauts on board the Apollo-Soyuz Test Project during its final descent. This was due to a switch left in the wrong position, which allowed NTO fumes to vent into the spacecraft from a cabin air intake. Upon landing, the crew was hospitalized 14 days for chemical-induced pneumonia and edema.

🙁

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: SagaLore
Hmm...

maybe I should just stick with sugar molecules. 😛

Sounds like a plan.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Gibsons
Hydrazine is used pretty commonly in some molecular biology protocols, so most of the big chem supply places (sigma aldrich etc) should have it.

Heh, but buying stuff designed for molecular biology is a sure way to get a thimbleful of material at ten times regular market value.

Originally posted by: dullard
Add four carbons to the hydrazine (C4H4N2) and you get a slew of possible products, most of which aren't too dangerous and most of which are liquid at or near room temperature. Things like pyrimidine, pyridazine, etc.

At that point you might as well just purify yourself some DNA...plenty of nitrogen-containing rings in there!

Completely worthless as a fuel, of course...unless you're writing a trashy sci-fi story about futuristic spaceships powered by Irish babies.

 

[Jeff7]

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