Nissan Z: 400hp, $40k, manual

[Fenixgoon]

Cars are ultimately cars, even sports cars. I think shifting to a high revving gear should really be just for achieving a particular speed. Once you get there, then there is no need to over rev the engine. If I want to get to 100mph quickly, I will, but I wont keep the car in the wrong gear because I know thats silly.

You are not understanding why sports cars have high-revving engines, generally.

1) maximize power output
2) keep engine in the peak power band when racing

 

[FelixDeCat]

You are not understanding why sports cars have high-revving engines, generally.

1) maximize power output
2) keep engine in the peak power band when racing

That's true. And if you and I were racing head to head that is what I would do to beat you.

But if I'm just going to pick up groceries.....2k or less RPMs is where I want to be once I'm going max speed.

I dunno, maybe I've just gotten used to low rpm movement.

 

[Fenixgoon]

That's true. And if you and I were racing head to head that is what I would do to beat you.

But if I'm just going to pick up groceries.....2k or less RPMs is where I want to be once I'm going max speed.

I dunno, maybe I've just gotten used to low rpm movement.

I think this is it 😛 And for anything remotely "daily" I agree 100%!

I will never forget riding my Ninja1000 street bike on a racetrack and then riding my friend's R6.

The Ninja was tuned for mid-range torque, so you could sit at 6000rpm in 6th gear, go full throttle, and pull away no problem. So I was lazy as hell riding it, even on a track (it actually had a pretty anemic top end starting at 8500-9000rpm).

I hop on the R6, and first thing is the throttle is so sensitive that any slight change in hand position will rev the engine up or down, and I can feel the bike pitching front and back as the engine winds up. Feeling like quite the idiot because I never had that issue on the Ninja.
Then I hit the main straight - where I'm happily at 6000rpm - and hit the gas. And NOTHING. 7000...8000....9000...10-11-12-13-14-15 holyyyy!

Tuned totally for high-end power 😂😂 I remember Yamaha marketing the R6 as a great street bike, but now they've moved to triples for a good blend of low-end torque and high-end power.

 

[pauldun170]

Like the looks. Like the idea of owning one. 40k seems like solid pricing for poverty spec.
However, as far I'm concerned, this is a 50K car. I wouldn't get it unless is had the LSD and the only way to get that is with the performance package.
Based on the reported performance, 50K is an appropriate price. My guess, is that the only cars on lots are going to be proto spec cars with major markups


(However, for that amount of coin, I would more likely be at the VW placing my order of Mk8 Golf R 6spd instead.)

 

[zinfamous]

Cars are ultimately cars, even sports cars. I think shifting to a high revving gear should really be just for achieving a particular speed. Once you get there, then there is no need to over rev the engine. If I want to get to 100mph quickly, I will, but I wont keep the car in the wrong gear because I know thats silly.

you don't know how the powerband works?

again, you haven't driven sports cars and so don't know why they are made to do what they do.

 

[zinfamous]

Like the looks. Like the idea of owning one. 40k seems like solid pricing for poverty spec.
However, as far I'm concerned, this is a 50K car. I wouldn't get it unless is had the LSD and the only way to get that is with the performance package.
Based on the reported performance, 50K is an appropriate price. My guess, is that the only cars on lots are going to be proto spec cars with major markups


(However, for that amount of coin, I would more likely be at the VW placing my order of Mk8 Golf R 6spd instead.)

'twas said that the proto are already sold out, before they were made...so yeah, some will be on lots, but like @AdamK47 and his R8, they will all have been sold before they arrive...while the dealers still take offers from chubs that just want to hang out at the dealership for some insane reason.

 

[Kaido]

what does that mean--like, only transmissions for electric motors? ...I can't think of a single-geared automatic transmission ever fit to a gas or hybrid car?

and I mean performance-wise, there's no way that any manual transmission out there can beat the best of the DSGs.

No, nothing to do with EV's, as they're just single-speed anyway like the Tesla. My Renegade was a 9-speed auto (absolutely hated that transmission!) & I've rented 8-speeds & driven 10-speeds (ex. Ford's 10-speed Mustang) and I personally don't care for any of them, other than the Kia Stinger 8-speed, which is actually the nicest one I've personally driven. Those are all separate from like 7-speed DCT's etc.

 

[zinfamous]

No, nothing to do with EV's, as they're just single-speed anyway like the Tesla. My Renegade was a 9-speed auto (absolutely hated that transmission!) & I've rented 8-speeds & driven 10-speeds (ex. Ford's 10-speed Mustang) and I personally don't care for any of them, other than the Kia Stinger 8-speed, which is actually the nicest one I've personally driven. Those are all separate from like 7-speed DCT's etc.

I guess I didn't understand what you meant by "multispeed auto," because I thought that all automatic transmissions have always been "multispeed." ...I just assumed you meant to say that you hate automatic transmissions, hah. Or rather some specific type.

 

[Kaido]

I guess I didn't understand what you meant by "multispeed auto," because I thought that all automatic transmissions have always been "multispeed." ...I just assumed you meant to say that you hate automatic transmissions, hah. Or rather some specific type.

I should have clarified over the standard 5/6-speed automatics haha. Now they have 7, 8, 9, 10, etc. Awhile back they were working on 11-speed triple-clutch automatics, dunno if that ever went anywhere:

Brace Yourselves: 11-Speed Triple Clutch Gearboxes Are On The Way

Honda and now GM are reportedly working on new automatic gearboxes with 11 forward ratios and three clutches

www.carthrottle.com

 

[pauldun170]

'twas said that the proto are already sold out, before they were made...so yeah, some will be on lots, but like @AdamK47 and his R8, they will all have been sold before they arrive...while the dealers still take offers from chubs that just want to hang out at the dealership for some insane reason.

Hanging out a Nissan dealership (shudders).

 

[sdifox]

Hanging out a Nissan dealership (shudders).

they can ship your car in a musical case if you so desire

 

[Kaido]

Absolutely love the back-end design:

 

[Kaido]

Good drive review:

 

[Kaido]

Really good in-depth review:

 

[FlawleZ]

I'm hoping we see a bold Nismo version in a year or so.

 

[sdifox]

I'm hoping we see a bold Nismo version in a year or so.

And it comes in a musical instrument crate.


OMG I am repeating my own jokes.

 

[FlawleZ]

And it comes in a musical instrument crate.

Not following whatever point you're trying to make.

 

[sdifox]

Not following whatever point you're trying to make.

Carlos Ghosn escape: Yamaha issues warning to not hide in music cases

Former Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn fled Japan in a dramatic escape from prosecution. He got out by hiding in a double bass case from Yamaha.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[FlawleZ]

Carlos Ghosn escape: Yamaha issues warning to not hide in music cases

Former Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn fled Japan in a dramatic escape from prosecution. He got out by hiding in a double bass case from Yamaha.

www.businessinsider.com

He doesn't have anything to do with the 2023 Z.

 

[sdifox]

He doesn't have anything to do with the 2023 Z.

It's a joke. You don't have to laugh at it.

 

[Kaido]

 

[rstrohkirch]

Glanced at pricing and looks like there is a 3k difference for the manual versions of the supra and z. I expected them to keep the price a bit further away and I didn't expect Toyota to charge a price premium for a manual over the auto. If they didn't then then they'd be nearly the same price.

When I bought mine I got 5.7K off. If I had to pay retail then I'm not sure about the Supra now that's getting close to 60k. Unless you had to have a 2 seat sports car, there are better driving cars once you hit the 60k number.

 

[Dranoche]

Glanced at pricing and looks like there is a 3k difference for the manual versions of the supra and z. I expected them to keep the price a bit further away and I didn't expect Toyota to charge a price premium for a manual over the auto. If they didn't then then they'd be nearly the same price.

When I bought mine I got 5.7K off. If I had to pay retail then I'm not sure about the Supra now that's getting close to 60k. Unless you had to have a 2 seat sports car, there are better driving cars once you hit the 60k number.

Nissan is offering the manual at both trim levels for the Z and officially with no pricing difference between auto and manual, so you can theoretically get a manual at the $40k base.

Toyota press releases on the 2023MY Supra from a month ago indicated that you should be able to get a manual on all 3.0L Supras for the same price as the auto, but the website is showing $2.6k more for manual on the 3.0 Base and $1.2k more for manual on the 3.0 Premium. The website is also seems to be limiting trim and transmission options in the build process based on zip code but there doesn't seem to be any other price trickery going on from that.

 

[YuliApp]

I would suspect the manuals, especially in this level of enthusiasm are way harder to keep working during the warranty. Automatic is much more forgiving on drivetrain and engine.

 

[NutBucket]

Huh? Are you saying drivers are going eat clutches or ???