Nissan GT-R

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: Naustica

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: AdamK47

Originally posted by: mariok2006
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After six long years since the Nissan GTR Concept was first unveiled in October 2001, the wait is now only months away, with the public and market debut at the Tokyo Motor show this October. Production is set to commence immediately after its debut with first Japanese deliveries occurring simultaneously throughout the winter. Sales in the U.S. and Canada are set to start in the Spring of 2008.

The GTR is expected to be available in three different model levels. Despite our previous reports of a 4.5 liter V8 engine delivering 450hp, it is now commonly known that it will be a 480hp twin-turbo V6 engine in the standard base GTR as well as the middle level GTR V-Spec. They will be priced at roughly $57,000 and $67,000 respectively. The range topping EVO version with the same VQHRTT engine as the standard and V-Spec models gets a power increase up to 530hp while losing 220 lbs. from the body for an unbelievably inexpensive price of $94,000.

If this is true, it might very well give the Z06 a run for the bang for buck sector, while sporting a decent interior.

2008 Corvettes get upgraded interiors.

http://www.corvettemuseum.com/specs/2008/index.shtml

IMO the new G35 sedan has a better interior than the 2008 Vette... The GT-R will likely stick to the same styling cues...

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I personally don't care for G35 interior and think it's ugly but looks are subjective. What can't be argued are the performance numbers. Both cars are smoking in this category.

So do you think the Corvette interior is not ugly?

I agree, both cars are amazing performers.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: RKS
I think the current Corvette is a beautiful car. The GT-R may be a little too 'young' but I probably would consider it before the regular 'Vette.

If it comes down to a Z-06, GT-R, or nicely used 911TT, I think I would go with the Porsche. The Corvette would unfortunately be shot to 3rd because my wife would start thinking of me as one of 'those guys' that typically drive Corvettes.

Oh yea the 911 is an awesome car but much more expensive than either of these cars so they shouldn't be compared

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: BouZouki
Nice car.

Saying it's rice crap from Japan is just plain ignorant.

I'm guessing the NSX was rice too.

I give them credit for going for the bi-turbo configuration, should be a very nice engine with room to play, sort of like the 2JZ-GTE from the Supras.

why would you give them credit? the GTR has always been Twin turbo since the late 1980's.

but you are right about the ignorance, the way I look at it cars like the the GTR, NSX, Supra, RX-7 and a few others (please insert here) are japanese muscle cars.

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: RKS
I think the current Corvette is a beautiful car. The GT-R may be a little too 'young' but I probably would consider it before the regular 'Vette.

If it comes down to a Z-06, GT-R, or nicely used 911TT, I think I would go with the Porsche. The Corvette would unfortunately be shot to 3rd because my wife would start thinking of me as one of 'those guys' that typically drive Corvettes.

Oh yea the 911 is an awesome car but much more expensive than either of these cars so they shouldn't be compared

They all have same performance numbers, you must be speaking about price exclusively.

 

[ponyo]

So do you think the Corvette interior is not ugly?

I wouldn't go that far and call it ugly but it sure ain't pretty. Then again I'm pretty biased.

 

[RKS]

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: RKS
I think the current Corvette is a beautiful car. The GT-R may be a little too 'young' but I probably would consider it before the regular 'Vette.

If it comes down to a Z-06, GT-R, or nicely used 911TT, I think I would go with the Porsche. The Corvette would unfortunately be shot to 3rd because my wife would start thinking of me as one of 'those guys' that typically drive Corvettes.

Oh yea the 911 is an awesome car but much more expensive than either of these cars so they shouldn't be compared

Sure is but I am talking about a pre-owned 911TT and new Z-06/GT-R.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: RKS

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: RKS
I think the current Corvette is a beautiful car. The GT-R may be a little too 'young' but I probably would consider it before the regular 'Vette.

If it comes down to a Z-06, GT-R, or nicely used 911TT, I think I would go with the Porsche. The Corvette would unfortunately be shot to 3rd because my wife would start thinking of me as one of 'those guys' that typically drive Corvettes.

Oh yea the 911 is an awesome car but much more expensive than either of these cars so they shouldn't be compared

Sure is but I am talking about a pre-owned 911TT and new Z-06/GT-R.

Ahh got ya. A 911TT has always been my dream car. And Rice (for people who are confused) is a term used to describe cars that are made to look fast that are not. That car will be no slouch.

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

I'm not sure this would beat a Z06 to be honest. It will give it a good run, but the Z06 has some advantages.

First, probably lighter due to things like RWD vs. AWD.
Second, 480HP vs 500HP. Not a big gap, but will probably widen a little due to powertrain losses. I'm not sure how much of an issue this would be on the track, but one is NA while the other is turboed, will it experience turbo lag?

If you have two inexperienced drivers, the winner could possibly be the GT-R. AWD is probably going to make it easier for them to handle.

If driven by experienced drivers, I'm expecting the Z06 to edge it out.

Last point - how hard would the GT-R be to work on? I haven't really dug very deep into this topic at all, but I think the engine bay in the Z06 has a good bit of room? If you're going to be on the track and then swapping out parts yourself when things break, upgrade, try other cluthes, etc., then this could be another factor.

I hope it doesn't come off that I don't like the GT-R. I think AWD turboed cars can be great, and I'm a big fan of the Evo, tons of fun, but I think that the Z06 may very likely have the edge here in the hands of an experienced driver.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
I'm not sure this would beat a Z06 to be honest. It will give it a good run, but the Z06 has some advantages.

First, probably lighter due to things like RWD vs. AWD.
Second, 480HP vs 500HP. Not a big gap, but will probably widen a little due to powertrain losses. I'm not sure how much of an issue this would be on the track, but one is NA while the other is turboed, will it experience turbo lag?

If you have two inexperienced drivers, the winner could possibly be the GT-R. AWD is probably going to make it easier for them to handle.

If driven by experienced drivers, I'm expecting the Z06 to edge it out.

The AWD out of the hole should be good for 60ft times. Twin turbos on it means it should experience almost zero lag since it SHOULD have one small turbo for low speeds then a larger one for top end. Less weight for the Z06 means it should be more nimble around the corners and RWD will experience less drive train loss than AWD.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
I doubt it would even beat a current z06. Seriously, it will be relatively heavy and I do not think the handling will be as good as the rewarding "twitchiness" of the vette.


Either way who wants to spend over 20k for a ricer?

Wow :roll:

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

They will be priced at roughly $57,000 and $67,000 respectively. The range topping EVO version with the same VQHRTT engine as the standard and V-Spec models gets a power increase up to 530hp while losing 220 lbs. from the body for an unbelievably inexpensive price of $94,000.

How much does the passenger seat and A/C weigh? You could probably pull those out for some weight loss. The 530HP version has the same engine as well, you could probably do some upgrades yourself and reach that 530HP without too much effort. I wonder what they did to get that extra power, different turbos?

I guess my point is that $37k for 50HP and 220 pounds less is a bit steep.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
They will be priced at roughly $57,000 and $67,000 respectively. The range topping EVO version with the same VQHRTT engine as the standard and V-Spec models gets a power increase up to 530hp while losing 220 lbs. from the body for an unbelievably inexpensive price of $94,000.

How much does the passenger seat and A/C weigh? You could probably pull those out for some weight loss. The 530HP version has the same engine as well, you could probably do some upgrades yourself and reach that 530HP without too much effort. I wonder what they did to get that extra power, different turbos?

Probably upped the boost/fuel and adjusted timing curve. Those alone on forced induction cars yield pretty good results.

 

[ballmode]

PWN SOS

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
They will be priced at roughly $57,000 and $67,000 respectively. The range topping EVO version with the same VQHRTT engine as the standard and V-Spec models gets a power increase up to 530hp while losing 220 lbs. from the body for an unbelievably inexpensive price of $94,000.

How much does the passenger seat and A/C weigh? You could probably pull those out for some weight loss. The 530HP version has the same engine as well, you could probably do some upgrades yourself and reach that 530HP without too much effort. I wonder what they did to get that extra power, different turbos?

Probably upped the boost/fuel and adjusted timing curve. Those alone on forced induction cars yield pretty good results.

Why wouldn't they have done something that simple on the base model? All it would take is an ECU swap and you'd be at 530HP...

 

[ballmode]

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
I'm not sure this would beat a Z06 to be honest. It will give it a good run, but the Z06 has some advantages.

First, probably lighter due to things like RWD vs. AWD.
Second, 480HP vs 500HP. Not a big gap, but will probably widen a little due to powertrain losses. I'm not sure how much of an issue this would be on the track, but one is NA while the other is turboed, will it experience turbo lag?

If you have two inexperienced drivers, the winner could possibly be the GT-R. AWD is probably going to make it easier for them to handle.

If driven by experienced drivers, I'm expecting the Z06 to edge it out.

Last point - how hard would the GT-R be to work on? I haven't really dug very deep into this topic at all, but I think the engine bay in the Z06 has a good bit of room? If you're going to be on the track and then swapping out parts yourself when things break, upgrade, try other cluthes, etc., then this could be another factor.

I hope it doesn't come off that I don't like the GT-R. I think AWD turboed cars can be great, and I'm a big fan of the Evo, tons of fun, but I think that the Z06 may very likely have the edge here in the hands of an experienced driver.

you review cars like i do

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
I'm not sure this would beat a Z06 to be honest. It will give it a good run, but the Z06 has some advantages.

First, probably lighter due to things like RWD vs. AWD.
Second, 480HP vs 500HP. Not a big gap, but will probably widen a little due to powertrain losses. I'm not sure how much of an issue this would be on the track, but one is NA while the other is turboed, will it experience turbo lag?

If you have two inexperienced drivers, the winner could possibly be the GT-R. AWD is probably going to make it easier for them to handle.

If driven by experienced drivers, I'm expecting the Z06 to edge it out.

The AWD out of the hole should be good for 60ft times. Twin turbos on it means it should experience almost zero lag since it SHOULD have one small turbo for low speeds then a larger one for top end. Less weight for the Z06 means it should be more nimble around the corners and RWD will experience less drive train loss than AWD.

I'm not the brightest when it comes to automotive topics, but I've read about a lot of issues regarding 2 different sized turbo's. I'm not sure if this is how they would do it...

Even the current 911 Turbo has identically sized turbo's. Have I been hiding under a rock about this issue? Last time I read about this issue was when I was reading more on the MKIV TT Supra and in that specific thread, they pointed out many flaws in that idea. That was years ago though...

 

[RKS]

I thought some of the items on the highest model (I think it should be the Rachel Ray edition / EVOO) were composed of carbon-fiber, thereby reducing weight but adding cost.

My personal choice would be to go for the lower priced models and swap/modify it yourself.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
I'm not sure this would beat a Z06 to be honest. It will give it a good run, but the Z06 has some advantages.

First, probably lighter due to things like RWD vs. AWD.
Second, 480HP vs 500HP. Not a big gap, but will probably widen a little due to powertrain losses. I'm not sure how much of an issue this would be on the track, but one is NA while the other is turboed, will it experience turbo lag?

If you have two inexperienced drivers, the winner could possibly be the GT-R. AWD is probably going to make it easier for them to handle.

If driven by experienced drivers, I'm expecting the Z06 to edge it out.

The AWD out of the hole should be good for 60ft times. Twin turbos on it means it should experience almost zero lag since it SHOULD have one small turbo for low speeds then a larger one for top end. Less weight for the Z06 means it should be more nimble around the corners and RWD will experience less drive train loss than AWD.

I'm not the brightest when it comes to automotive topics, but I've read about a lot of issues regarding 2 different sized turbo's. I'm not sure if this is how they would do it...

Even the current 911 Turbo has identically sized turbo's. Have I been hiding under a rock about this issue? Last time I read about this issue was when I was reading more on the MKIV TT Supra and in that specific thread, they pointed out many flaws in that idea. That was years ago though...

Well I know the 911's have the Variable Van turbos that adjust the turbo fins for low end punch then adjust for high end.

 

[SVT Cobra]

ROFL at the troll feeders...




Who would want to buy the GT-R, I mean it has Nissan attached to it. Might as well buy a Honda Civic and stick some type R badges on it.


After Eli's comment I LOL how people believe I think it is rice.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
ROFL at the troll feeders...




Who would want to buy the GT-R, I mean it has Nissan attached to it. Might as well buy a Honda Civic and stick some type R badges on it.


After Eli's comment I LOL how people believe I think it is rice.

But it will still be a slow Civic. This thing actually has some power to it.

 

[RollWave]

I'm excited. I might be in the market for one in 2-4 years. You cant compare the AWD stick to anything else. I love being able to outhandle amost anything on the road at speed. Its a great feeling...that I never got in my Viper...that thing just gave me pure brutish strength.

 

[RollWave]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
ROFL at the troll feeders...




Who would want to buy the GT-R, I mean it has Nissan attached to it. Might as well buy a Honda Civic and stick some type R badges on it.


After Eli's comment I LOL how people believe I think it is rice.

Oh come off it, enough standing on your RWD American Muscle soap box. YES, a RWD beast of a car is fun to drive. YES it has some soul/emotion. Is it generally a great handler? Probably not...without any mods.

While I hate to admit it, this Japanese car may me a soulful little creature...minus the RWD tail out fun.

 

[Aikouka]

Looks like I know what I'll be getting in 5 years when I trade my Altima in . I'm glad they aren't coming in at the estimated $70,000 but that's still about 10k higher than what they retailed at for the R32-R34.

SVT, the GT-R has as much of a legacy as half of your American cars. The car came out seemingly out of no where and was built on a sedan frame in the first three iterations (R32-R34, we're ignoring the previous generations that didn't have a GT-R, but were still Skylines). The R32 beat the Porsche in its induction on the Nurburgring.... The car is well respected for its performance and power... well, at least by those that can shed their bigotry for a moment.

EDIT: And about the twin-turbo systems. I haven't seen many older cars with the smaller to larger system on it. The RX-7's twin-turbo setup did use the smaller-to-larger setup though.

 

[SpanishFry]

i know the performance is what everone's drooling over...but doesn't this "skyline" look like a 350Z with different panels? i was hoping for something a little more unique

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
ROFL at the troll feeders...




Who would want to buy the GT-R, I mean it has Nissan attached to it. Might as well buy a Honda Civic and stick some type R badges on it.


After Eli's comment I LOL how people believe I think it is rice.

wait whose the troll here?