Nissan GT-R vs. Ford GT

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Srfrbum
Wow, sorry to bash your GTR Fanboy Gayness
GTR IS A PIECE OF SHIT AND SO IS YOUR FACE.
With the dealer markups these things are ganna have, the Ford GT might be a $30,000 difference, maybe less.
I was just comparing the best from a company like Nissan, to the best from a company like ford.
PLUS, the GTR Nurburgring laptime was pure BS, running start, non-production spec tires,
Nissan didn't want to play fair and cheat their way to the top.

You are sorely mistaken there. Are you even old enough to drive? Grand Turismo doesn't give one inherent car knowledge kid.

I think you are reading the wrong articles if you think the tires are not production spec. Also many cars come out at this level and above with tires designed specifically for the vehicle.

The GTR is already being modified overseas and proving to decimate almost all those that step up.

There is a HUGE reason why they did not send the corvette nor the viper to a recent head to head against the GTR.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Srfrbum

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Srfrbum
Finally, something wins against the GTR.
I don't think the GTR is what its all hyped up to be, IMO.
The Ford GT is such a more beautiful looking car than the GTR.
The GTR basically looks like a new 350z

umm they are at very different price points.

I think you don't know much about cars outside of paper.

The GTR will push performance to the next level.

Wow, sorry to bash your GTR Fanboy Gayness
GTR IS A PIECE OF SHIT AND SO IS YOUR FACE.
With the dealer markups these things are ganna have, the Ford GT might be a $30,000 difference, maybe less.
I was just comparing the best from a company like Nissan, to the best from a company like ford.
PLUS, the GTR Nurburgring laptime was pure BS, running start, non-production spec tires,
Nissan didn't want to play fair and cheat their way to the top.

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Are you seriously that big of a baby?

This guy wasn't even insulting me personally, but I take our community standards here at AT and the Garage seriously. We have a nice forum, and if we let jerks like this start spamming all-caps direct insults at other members, things will deteriorate FAST.

It's not about being a 'baby', it's about having standards and sticking up for them. I happen to like where we've come here, by and large we're a mature bunch of people who are automotive enthusiasts, and are capable of having most of our discussions now without needless flaming.

 

[evident]

Originally posted by: Srfrbum

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Srfrbum
Finally, something wins against the GTR.
I don't think the GTR is what its all hyped up to be, IMO.
The Ford GT is such a more beautiful looking car than the GTR.
The GTR basically looks like a new 350z

umm they are at very different price points.

I think you don't know much about cars outside of paper.

The GTR will push performance to the next level.

Wow, sorry to bash your GTR Fanboy Gayness
GTR IS A PIECE OF SHIT AND SO IS YOUR FACE.
With the dealer markups these things are ganna have, the Ford GT might be a $30,000 difference, maybe less.
I was just comparing the best from a company like Nissan, to the best from a company like ford.
PLUS, the GTR Nurburgring laptime was pure BS, running start, non-production spec tires,
Nissan didn't want to play fair and cheat their way to the top.

you sound like a total fanboy yourself

 

[Azelrok]

The one thing I dont understand is how come none of these magazine tests are comparing sports cars in different weather conditions and then average all the times. Like wet, dry, and snowy conditions?



I do see sports cars driven in the crappiest of weather conditions. I've seen corvettes on snowy days, which is rare, but I have seen them on a couple of occasions. I havent seen any extremely expensive cars 100k+ but since the GTR is 70k, I have seen corvettes and bmw's etc in bad conditions.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Azelrok
The one thing I dont understand is how come none of these magazine tests are comparing sports cars in different weather conditions and then average all the times. Like wet, dry, and snowy conditions?



I do see sports cars driven in the crappiest of weather conditions. I've seen corvettes on snowy days, which is rare, but I have seen them on a couple of occasions. I havent seen any extremely expensive cars 100k+ but since the GTR is 70k, I have seen corvettes and bmw's etc in bad conditions.

you go ahead and race a car around the nurburgring in the snow. we'll see if you get back to us in 1 piece.

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by: Azelrok
The one thing I dont understand is how come none of these magazine tests are comparing sports cars in different weather conditions and then average all the times. Like wet, dry, and snowy conditions?



I do see sports cars driven in the crappiest of weather conditions. I've seen corvettes on snowy days, which is rare, but I have seen them on a couple of occasions. I havent seen any extremely expensive cars 100k+ but since the GTR is 70k, I have seen corvettes and bmw's etc in bad conditions.

Only a certifiable retard would drive their $70k+ sportscar in the snow. They're simply not designed for that. Huge HP and RWD with fat summer tires make them outright dangerous to drive in cold weather, let alone snow if they have the ground clearance.

Why you should not drive your supercar in the snow

 

[Siddhartha]

I can't wait until someone compares the GT-R against a F-22.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Pariah

Originally posted by: Azelrok
The one thing I dont understand is how come none of these magazine tests are comparing sports cars in different weather conditions and then average all the times. Like wet, dry, and snowy conditions?



I do see sports cars driven in the crappiest of weather conditions. I've seen corvettes on snowy days, which is rare, but I have seen them on a couple of occasions. I havent seen any extremely expensive cars 100k+ but since the GTR is 70k, I have seen corvettes and bmw's etc in bad conditions.

Only a certifiable retard would drive their $70k+ sportscar in the snow. They're simply not designed for that. Huge HP and RWD with fat summer tires make them outright dangerous to drive in cold weather, let alone snow if they have the ground clearance.

Why you should not drive your supercar in the snow

not to mention once the dry is settled...other conditions just become a factor on tire design.

 

[Srfrbum]

Originally posted by: 996GT2

Originally posted by: Srfrbum

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Srfrbum
Finally, something wins against the GTR.
I don't think the GTR is what its all hyped up to be, IMO.
The Ford GT is such a more beautiful looking car than the GTR.
The GTR basically looks like a new 350z

umm they are at very different price points.

I think you don't know much about cars outside of paper.

The GTR will push performance to the next level.

Wow, sorry to bash your GTR Fanboy Gayness
GTR IS A PIECE OF SHIT AND SO IS YOUR FACE.
With the dealer markups these things are ganna have, the Ford GT might be a $30,000 difference, maybe less.
I was just comparing the best from a company like Nissan, to the best from a company like ford.
PLUS, the GTR Nurburgring laptime was pure BS, running start, non-production spec tires,
Nissan didn't want to play fair and cheat their way to the top.

Uh, I know you're venting, but the GTR's 'Ring time was anything but cheating. Most car companies do a flying start and end in front of pit lane, and the cut slicks rumor was debunked as a mistranslation...oh, and the GTR's base price would have to be marked up by 80k to match the Ford GT's price

Besides, Nissan has too much riding on the GTR's reputation to be BSing people...imagine the public outcry from owners if it was found that Nissan had cheated. You know why that hasn't happened yet? Because as much as some people want to believe they did, they didn't

Theres a $60,000+ premium on R8's right now, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same on the GTR.

 

[Azelrok]

Wow, thought people would think what I said through a little more.

70k is not what Id call super car territory, especially with our current inflation whoas.

I was trying to point out the AWD system on the GTR makes the car a more daily driver type vehicle. I should have left out snow conditions because I knew people would take it as the extreme, so instead of snow, lets say in wet weather conditions.

 

[Azelrok]

Originally posted by: Pariah

Originally posted by: Azelrok
The one thing I dont understand is how come none of these magazine tests are comparing sports cars in different weather conditions and then average all the times. Like wet, dry, and snowy conditions?



I do see sports cars driven in the crappiest of weather conditions. I've seen corvettes on snowy days, which is rare, but I have seen them on a couple of occasions. I havent seen any extremely expensive cars 100k+ but since the GTR is 70k, I have seen corvettes and bmw's etc in bad conditions.

Only a certifiable retard would drive their $70k+ sportscar in the snow. They're simply not designed for that. Huge HP and RWD with fat summer tires make them outright dangerous to drive in cold weather, let alone snow if they have the ground clearance.

Why you should not drive your supercar in the snow

So if his super car had awd, would he have been capable to finish a lap and record a time?

Not only that, but no where does it mention what type of tires that super car had on it? (at least from me skipping through the videos) He handles the car pretty well through the track, possibly with snow tires he would have had a bit more grip.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Srfrbum
Finally, something wins against the GTR.
I don't think the GTR is what its all hyped up to be, IMO.
The Ford GT is such a more beautiful looking car than the GTR.
The GTR basically looks like a new 350z

Looks like, but it's a much bigger different car. It follows the style of all the nissans out right now.


Also to the R8 price vs GTR...one of the things that will keep some of the gouging from the GTR line is the fact that Nissan will not honor the warranty for any resale within the first year.

Alot of the gouging is due to those simply buying to flip...Nissan wants to make sure these cars go into the hands of enthusiasts.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Azelrok
Wow, thought people would think what I said through a little more.

70k is not what Id call super car territory, especially with our current inflation whoas.

I was trying to point out the AWD system on the GTR makes the car a more daily driver type vehicle. I should have left out snow conditions because I knew people would take it as the extreme, so instead of snow, lets say in wet weather conditions.

Supercars are not based on price point though. Just the way it works out is the super cars are those costing the most.

Many put the Z06 pretty close to super car territory, and many say it qualifies. It can put down many of the exotics on quite a few tracks.

Almost all the super car forums bitch about the Z06's.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Azelrok
Wow, thought people would think what I said through a little more.

70k is not what Id call super car territory, especially with our current inflation whoas.

I was trying to point out the AWD system on the GTR makes the car a more daily driver type vehicle. I should have left out snow conditions because I knew people would take it as the extreme, so instead of snow, lets say in wet weather conditions.

Supercars are not based on price point though. Just the way it works out is the super cars are those costing the most.

Many put the Z06 pretty close to super car territory, and many say it qualifies. It can put down many of the exotics on quite a few tracks.

Almost all the super car forums bitch about the Z06's.

i can't imagine what they're saying about the GTR then, heh

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by: Azelrok

Originally posted by: Pariah

Originally posted by: Azelrok
The one thing I dont understand is how come none of these magazine tests are comparing sports cars in different weather conditions and then average all the times. Like wet, dry, and snowy conditions?



I do see sports cars driven in the crappiest of weather conditions. I've seen corvettes on snowy days, which is rare, but I have seen them on a couple of occasions. I havent seen any extremely expensive cars 100k+ but since the GTR is 70k, I have seen corvettes and bmw's etc in bad conditions.

Only a certifiable retard would drive their $70k+ sportscar in the snow. They're simply not designed for that. Huge HP and RWD with fat summer tires make them outright dangerous to drive in cold weather, let alone snow if they have the ground clearance.

Why you should not drive your supercar in the snow

So if his super car had awd, would he have been capable to finish a lap and record a time?

Not only that, but no where does it mention what type of tires that super car had on it? (at least from me skipping through the videos) He handles the car pretty well through the track, possibly with snow tires he would have had a bit more grip.

You apparently didn't watch the part near the end where he slides off the track at a very low speed and hits the barrier, causing about $10k in body damage. I can pretty much guarantee you they do not make snow tires to fit that car. Did you see the part where he is trying to drive it out of the snow covered parking lot? The car has no ground clearance.

When you buy a BMW CSL in Europe they make you sign a disclaimer stating you understand that the tires it comes with do not function properly in rain or cold weather. These type of cars are simply not designed to perform in anything but dry and warm conditions so testing them in anything else is pointless. What do you want next, a towing competition between a Lamborghini and Ferrari?

No one said a $70k sportscar is a supercar either.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

i can't imagine what they're saying about the GTR then, heh

It's seems like only the low-end model forums and ATOT are bashing it. I think even when it's out and people are putting down the same numbers, people here will be stating it's a conspiracy.

 

[LordMorpheus]

the GTR is amazing and I'd love to have one, but I'd take a Ford GT over the GTR in a heartbeat for a number of reasons.

 

[ric0chet06]

yea, the GTR would be very far down on my list of dream cars.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: ric0chet06
yea, the GTR would be very far down on my list of dream cars.

Yeah that DeVille with the gold pack comes in the top 5 right?

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: ric0chet06
yea, the GTR would be very far down on my list of dream cars.

Yeah that DeVille with the gold pack comes in the top 5 right?

I have no doubts about the GTR's performance and think it's a marvel of modern times. There's more to enjoying a car though than sheer performance numbers. Part of the reason I like some of the old muscle cars compared to today's car. The rear end slip and lack of pin point control when you hammer the throttle down is just fun to me!

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: ric0chet06
yea, the GTR would be very far down on my list of dream cars.

Yeah that DeVille with the gold pack comes in the top 5 right?

I have no doubts about the GTR's performance and think it's a marvel of modern times. There's more to enjoying a car though than sheer performance numbers. Part of the reason I like some of the old muscle cars compared to today's car. The rear end slip and lack of pin point control when you hammer the throttle down is just fun to me!

Pinpoint control in old muscle cars? I don't think you have been in many.

Also the GTR will be more than capable of 'slipping' it's rear end out.

Almost any of today's performance cars can do this easily.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: ric0chet06
yea, the GTR would be very far down on my list of dream cars.

Yeah that DeVille with the gold pack comes in the top 5 right?

I have no doubts about the GTR's performance and think it's a marvel of modern times. There's more to enjoying a car though than sheer performance numbers. Part of the reason I like some of the old muscle cars compared to today's car. The rear end slip and lack of pin point control when you hammer the throttle down is just fun to me!

Pinpoint control in old muscle cars? I don't think you have been in many.

Also the GTR will be more than capable of 'slipping' it's rear end out.

Almost any of today's performance cars can do this easily.

I think you misunderstood him, he was saying he enjoys the lack of pinpoint control As in, big sloppy power that makes your car wiggle as it goes under heavy throttle. The GTR is probably a bit too controlled for quite the same level of mayhem. I know exactly what he's talking about, I drove a '77 El Camino that had been converted to a drag car (truck? lol, it was the last of the giant ones, the '78 and up were a ton smaller), and if you floored it at 50, you could well end up with your headlights the wrong way.

 

[alkemyst]

i didn't see the lack in that...but yeah the old cars were really sloppy at times...many though were not when new. Just that many are experiencing 30+ years of neglect.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
This is kind of a dumb test IMO - the course is tiny and includes two hairpins. It is not representative of any kind of real-world driving or even a real road course. It's also amazing to me that they can make two cars this exciting into such a boring film - there's a reason Top Gear is so special compared to innumerable boring American car shows.

top gear also kicks fifth gear's ass. top gear is top gear because jeremy clarkson uses it to do the most outlandish things he can think of. other shows actually review cars. car reviews are really secondary on top gear, a vehicle to do what clarkson wants to do. top gear is a lot like clarkson's car reviews in the Sunday Times, he'll spend half of it talking about variations in mayonnaise and why the belgians make better fries.

Originally posted by: 996GT2
The GT had just about every advantage in that comparison...600 lbs less weight, more horsepoewr, smaller size, etc...and yet it still only came 2/10 of a second ahead...not to mention the 2 ton GTR is probably not very good at the kind of parking lot maneuvers they have on that tiny test track.

On the 'Ring, a production spec GTR is 13 seconds faster than the fastest recorded time of the Ford GT...I think that says enough about the GTR's speed on a REAL track.

The Ford GT also costs over twice as much as the GTR...what's next? GT-R vs. Enzo?

how many races are held on the nurburgring these days?

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
This is kind of a dumb test IMO - the course is tiny and includes two hairpins. It is not representative of any kind of real-world driving or even a real road course. It's also amazing to me that they can make two cars this exciting into such a boring film - there's a reason Top Gear is so special compared to innumerable boring American car shows.

top gear also kicks fifth gear's ass. top gear is top gear because jeremy clarkson uses it to do the most outlandish things he can think of. other shows actually review cars. car reviews are really secondary on top gear, a vehicle to do what clarkson wants to do.

Originally posted by: 996GT2
The GT had just about every advantage in that comparison...600 lbs less weight, more horsepoewr, smaller size, etc...and yet it still only came 2/10 of a second ahead...not to mention the 2 ton GTR is probably not very good at the kind of parking lot maneuvers they have on that tiny test track.

On the 'Ring, a production spec GTR is 13 seconds faster than the fastest recorded time of the Ford GT...I think that says enough about the GTR's speed on a REAL track.

The Ford GT also costs over twice as much as the GTR...what's next? GT-R vs. Enzo?

how many races are held on the nurburgring these days?

He's got a point though, compare that little bitty track to stuff like Laguna Seca, Silverstone, etc. It's just not a good example of a real racetrack. The 'Ring is a great representation of a typical circuit, albeit a bit larger in scale. Being so long, it helps to give a greater detail of time differences between vehicles. The GTR might edge the GT by 13 seconds on the 'Ring, but may only be capable of 2-4 seconds on those smaller tracks.