Nissan GT-R vs. Ford GT

[overst33r]

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/0...-ford-gt-in-super-lap/

 

[Baked]

Oh damn. Have to tag it for home.

 

[Srfrbum]

Finally, something wins against the GTR.
I don't think the GTR is what its all hyped up to be, IMO.
The Ford GT is such a more beautiful looking car than the GTR.
The GTR basically looks like a new 350z

 

[996GT2]

The GT had just about every advantage in that comparison...600 lbs less weight, more horsepoewr, smaller size, etc...and yet it still only came 2/10 of a second ahead...not to mention the 2 ton GTR is probably not very good at the kind of parking lot maneuvers they have on that tiny test track.

On the 'Ring, a production spec GTR is 13 seconds faster than the fastest recorded time of the Ford GT...I think that says enough about the GTR's speed on a REAL track.

The Ford GT also costs over twice as much as the GTR...what's next? GT-R vs. Enzo?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

This is kind of a dumb test IMO - the course is tiny and includes two hairpins. It is not representative of any kind of real-world driving or even a real road course. It's also amazing to me that they can make two cars this exciting into such a boring film - there's a reason Top Gear is so special compared to innumerable boring American car shows.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Srfrbum
Finally, something wins against the GTR.
I don't think the GTR is what its all hyped up to be, IMO.
The Ford GT is such a more beautiful looking car than the GTR.
The GTR basically looks like a new 350z

umm they are at very different price points.

I think you don't know much about cars outside of paper.

The GTR will push performance to the next level.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
This is kind of a dumb test IMO - the course is tiny and includes two hairpins. It is not representative of any kind of real-world driving or even a real road course. It's also amazing to me that they can make two cars this exciting into such a boring film - there's a reason Top Gear is so special compared to innumerable boring American car shows.

The test included most of the benches. A reducing radius turn is not a hairpin.

 

[Pariah]

This is kind of a dumb test IMO - the course is tiny and includes two hairpins. It is not representative of any kind of real-world driving or even a real road course.

You're absolutely right, because in "real-world driving" there are speed limits. Driving around a typical turn in my neighborhood with a 35 MPH speed limit, a GTR will be exactly as fast as an '85 Toyota Corolla as well as a spankin' new Veyron. How exciting of a video would that comparison make?

I do agree though that these GTR vs the rest of the world comparisons are getting boring and plain stupid. At least make the comparison ridiculous like Top Gear is reportedly doing (against a bullet train) this season, so it is interesting.

 

[Q]

GT is so sexy

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone
This is kind of a dumb test IMO - the course is tiny and includes two hairpins. It is not representative of any kind of real-world driving or even a real road course. It's also amazing to me that they can make two cars this exciting into such a boring film - there's a reason Top Gear is so special compared to innumerable boring American car shows.

so are nurburgring or 1/4 mile times any more indicative of real-world driving?

how often will you be racing someone at stoplights or around canyon roads? oh wait.. both of those are illegal.

 

[overst33r]

Originally posted by: Srfrbum
Finally, something wins against the GTR.
I don't think the GTR is what its all hyped up to be, IMO.
The Ford GT is such a more beautiful looking car than the GTR.
The GTR basically looks like a new 350z

The GT-R has delivered on all counts. It's exactly what its hyped up to be and more. The GT-R has lost before in an MT or CnD comparison, I can't remember which one but it was pitted against some expensive machinery and was beat in the course they set up.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

so are nurburgring or 1/4 mile times any more indicative of real-world driving?

how often will you be racing someone at stoplights or around canyon roads? oh wait.. both of those are illegal.

To answer your first question, I'd say the answer is yes. The Nurburgring is at least a legitimate test of a car's handling, acceleration and braking over a wide variety of different turns, at different speeds, and the 1/4 mile is representative of acceleration, which, rightly or wrongly, is how most people gauge a car's performance.

I don't race people on public roads, ever, but I do enjoy spirited driving on mountain and canyon roads.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: mariok2006

Originally posted by: Srfrbum
Finally, something wins against the GTR.
I don't think the GTR is what its all hyped up to be, IMO.
The Ford GT is such a more beautiful looking car than the GTR.
The GTR basically looks like a new 350z

The GT-R has delivered on all counts. It's exactly what its hyped up to be and more. The GT-R has lost before in an MT or CnD comparison, I can't remember which one but it was pitted against some expensive machinery and was beat in the course they set up.

it also "lost" to a bmw M3, but we know how fair that comparison was

the GTR is beastly, and looks great in person. being able to buy one (or any car with that pricetag and higher) is like choosing among supermodels... they're all undoubtedly amazing, it's just a matter of which one fits you best.

 

[sniperruff]

the ford GT is a supercar. the GTR is a sports car, much like the 911 turbo it strives to beat.

although, like the NSX of the early 90's, the GTR has performance that matches some supercars, and that is a pretty amazing accomplishment.

the ford GT is one of the best-looking modern-day cars though.

 

[Srfrbum]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Srfrbum
Finally, something wins against the GTR.
I don't think the GTR is what its all hyped up to be, IMO.
The Ford GT is such a more beautiful looking car than the GTR.
The GTR basically looks like a new 350z

umm they are at very different price points.

I think you don't know much about cars outside of paper.

The GTR will push performance to the next level.

Wow, sorry to bash your GTR Fanboy <deleted>
GTR IS A PIECE OF SHIT AND <deleted>.
With the dealer markups these things are ganna have, the Ford GT might be a $30,000 difference, maybe less.
I was just comparing the best from a company like Nissan, to the best from a company like ford.
PLUS, the GTR Nurburgring laptime was pure BS, running start, non-production spec tires,
Nissan didn't want to play fair and cheat their way to the top.


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[Pariah]

Originally posted by: sniperruff
the ford GT is a supercar. the GTR is a sports car, much like the 911 turbo it strives to beat.

although, like the NSX of the early 90's, the GTR has performance that matches some supercars, and that is a pretty amazing accomplishment.

the ford GT is one of the best-looking modern-day cars though.

The 911 Turbo starts at over $125 grand, that's a supercar. The regular 911 is a sports car.

Srfrbum, you need to read the rules of this forum before you post. Saying or even thinking negatively about the GT-R is a bannable offense on this board, and will not be tolerated. Believe it or not, the GT-R took on Godzilla and handed him a beat a down of epic proportions thus acquiring his name. But that was just a warm up, then the GT-R challenged God to a race around the Nurburgring and whooped his ass too, thus becoming the greatest thing ever. At least that's what I've been led to believe reading the posts on this forum.

 

[996GT2]

Originally posted by: Srfrbum

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Srfrbum
Finally, something wins against the GTR.
I don't think the GTR is what its all hyped up to be, IMO.
The Ford GT is such a more beautiful looking car than the GTR.
The GTR basically looks like a new 350z

umm they are at very different price points.

I think you don't know much about cars outside of paper.

The GTR will push performance to the next level.

Wow, sorry to bash your GTR Fanboy Gayness
GTR IS A PIECE OF SHIT AND SO IS YOUR FACE.
With the dealer markups these things are ganna have, the Ford GT might be a $30,000 difference, maybe less.
I was just comparing the best from a company like Nissan, to the best from a company like ford.
PLUS, the GTR Nurburgring laptime was pure BS, running start, non-production spec tires,
Nissan didn't want to play fair and cheat their way to the top.

Uh, I know you're venting, but the GTR's 'Ring time was anything but cheating. Most car companies do a flying start and end in front of pit lane, and the cut slicks rumor was debunked as a mistranslation...oh, and the GTR's base price would have to be marked up by 80k to match the Ford GT's price

Besides, Nissan has too much riding on the GTR's reputation to be BSing people...imagine the public outcry from owners if it was found that Nissan had cheated. You know why that hasn't happened yet? Because as much as some people want to believe they did, they didn't

 

[Pariah]

Besides, Nissan has too much riding on the GTR's reputation to be BSing people...imagine the public outcry from owners if it was found that Nissan had cheated.

Yea, like that's ever stopped companies from using shady marketing tactics. Didn't Nissan claim a stock R34 made it around the ring in under 8 minutes a few years back, yet no one outside of Nissan ever got close to that time? I mean seriously, Nissan could claim practically any time they wanted, and how is anyone really ever going to disprove it? How many people who would be buying this car would have the interest or the money to rent out the ring for themselves so they could have a clear track to practice and try and duplicate Nissan's run?

 

[996GT2]

Originally posted by: Pariah

Besides, Nissan has too much riding on the GTR's reputation to be BSing people...imagine the public outcry from owners if it was found that Nissan had cheated.

Yea, like that's ever stopped companies from using shady marketing tactics. Didn't Nissan claim a stock R34 made it around the ring in under 8 minutes a few years back, yet no one outside of Nissan ever got close to that time? I mean seriously, Nissan could claim practically any time they wanted, and how is anyone really ever going to disprove it? How many people who would be buying this car would have the interest or the money to rent out the ring for themselves so they could have a clear track to practice and try and duplicate Nissan's run?

well., i cant copy paste links from my iPhone right now, but I did check and Best Motoring recorded a 'Ring time of 8:01 for a factory stock R33 GT-R, so 8 min for an R34 is not impossible.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Pariah

Originally posted by: sniperruff
the ford GT is a supercar. the GTR is a sports car, much like the 911 turbo it strives to beat.

although, like the NSX of the early 90's, the GTR has performance that matches some supercars, and that is a pretty amazing accomplishment.

the ford GT is one of the best-looking modern-day cars though.

The 911 Turbo starts at over $125 grand, that's a supercar. The regular 911 is a sports car.

Srfrbum, you need to read the rules of this forum before you post. Saying or even thinking negatively about the GT-R is a bannable offense on this board, and will not be tolerated. Believe it or not, the GT-R took on Godzilla and handed him a beat a down of epic proportions thus acquiring his name. But that was just a warm up, then the GT-R challenged God to a race around the Nurburgring and whooped his ass too, thus becoming the greatest thing ever. At least that's what I've been led to believe reading the posts on this forum.

you forgot to mention the fine print that no one ever reads in quantum theory...

"the speed of light... "c" is constant. except when racing a GTR"

 

[Pariah]

Originally posted by: 996GT2

Originally posted by: Pariah

Besides, Nissan has too much riding on the GTR's reputation to be BSing people...imagine the public outcry from owners if it was found that Nissan had cheated.

Yea, like that's ever stopped companies from using shady marketing tactics. Didn't Nissan claim a stock R34 made it around the ring in under 8 minutes a few years back, yet no one outside of Nissan ever got close to that time? I mean seriously, Nissan could claim practically any time they wanted, and how is anyone really ever going to disprove it? How many people who would be buying this car would have the interest or the money to rent out the ring for themselves so they could have a clear track to practice and try and duplicate Nissan's run?

well., i cant copy paste links from my iPhone right now, but I did check and Best Motoring recorded a 'Ring time of 8:01 for a factory stock R33 GT-R, so 8 min for an R34 is not impossible.

I assume you are referring to this time:

What is the BEST SPORTS CAR???

8:01 Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 280 PS/1540 kg Motoharu Kurosawa Best Motoring - Video Special DVD Series Prototype (weight/horsepower different from production car)

Here is another list of time that contains said R33 time:

Nordschleife, Germany

Scan down the list and notice the two R32 times (#95 8:22.38,#115 8:28.21)

I highly doubt the R33 was 21 seconds faster than the R32. And the time I'm finding for the R34 was 7:54 which is 28 seconds faster than an R32. Believable? Not really.

 

[Arkaign]

There is no reason not to believe that the 7:29 time is legit, as in it occurred. Just as I believe the 7:59 of the CTS-V. As for repeatability, driver skill, track conditions, number of attempts made, driver experience on said track, etc, etc, that's all relevant as well when considering these kinds of things.

As to 'Sfr' whomever, that kind of insulting trash-talking is unwelcome in the Garage, or on these forums in general. All caps insults in that matter are just fine when directed against inanimate objects, but when you start trashing other members just because their opinions don't match is pretty immature, and a poor way of communicating your purported 'point'(s).

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Srfrbum

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Srfrbum
Finally, something wins against the GTR.
I don't think the GTR is what its all hyped up to be, IMO.
The Ford GT is such a more beautiful looking car than the GTR.
The GTR basically looks like a new 350z

umm they are at very different price points.

I think you don't know much about cars outside of paper.

The GTR will push performance to the next level.

Wow, sorry to bash your GTR Fanboy Gayness
GTR IS A PIECE OF SHIT AND SO IS YOUR FACE.
With the dealer markups these things are ganna have, the Ford GT might be a $30,000 difference, maybe less.
I was just comparing the best from a company like Nissan, to the best from a company like ford.
PLUS, the GTR Nurburgring laptime was pure BS, running start, non-production spec tires,
Nissan didn't want to play fair and cheat their way to the top.

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[FallenHero]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Srfrbum

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Srfrbum
Finally, something wins against the GTR.
I don't think the GTR is what its all hyped up to be, IMO.
The Ford GT is such a more beautiful looking car than the GTR.
The GTR basically looks like a new 350z

umm they are at very different price points.

I think you don't know much about cars outside of paper.

The GTR will push performance to the next level.

Wow, sorry to bash your GTR Fanboy Gayness
GTR IS A PIECE OF SHIT AND SO IS YOUR FACE.
With the dealer markups these things are ganna have, the Ford GT might be a $30,000 difference, maybe less.
I was just comparing the best from a company like Nissan, to the best from a company like ford.
PLUS, the GTR Nurburgring laptime was pure BS, running start, non-production spec tires,
Nissan didn't want to play fair and cheat their way to the top.

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Are you seriously that big of a baby?

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[dug777]

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Srfrbum

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Srfrbum
Finally, something wins against the GTR.
I don't think the GTR is what its all hyped up to be, IMO.
The Ford GT is such a more beautiful looking car than the GTR.
The GTR basically looks like a new 350z

umm they are at very different price points.

I think you don't know much about cars outside of paper.

The GTR will push performance to the next level.

Wow, sorry to bash your GTR Fanboy Gayness
GTR IS A PIECE OF SHIT AND SO IS YOUR FACE.
With the dealer markups these things are ganna have, the Ford GT might be a $30,000 difference, maybe less.
I was just comparing the best from a company like Nissan, to the best from a company like ford.
PLUS, the GTR Nurburgring laptime was pure BS, running start, non-production spec tires,
Nissan didn't want to play fair and cheat their way to the top.

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Are you seriously that big of a baby?

:Q

Are you seriously that childish?