Nintendo Wii 4.2 update is bricking (breaking) Wiis.

[Crow550]

I guess people updating with or without having homebrew are getting bricked or other issues. Basically don't update till Nintendo fixes there own problem....

http://techforums.nintendo.com...i_tech&thread.id=29914

People are posting all over the board: http://techforums.nintendo.com...oard?board.id=wii_tech

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http://news.google.com/news/mo...m108iT1MBnmpaneFT0aXUM

 

[Phynaz]

Mine updated fine.

 

[viivo]

I feel bad for legitimate owners, but if even one pirate (homebrew, seriously? Come on.) is affected I have to smile.

 

[sourceninja]

Yea, because god forbid I want to be able to play wii games, play VC games, and play roms of games I legally own (but didn't rip myself) and are not on the VC.

I'm such a horrible pirate with my FFI and Contra!

Fact, if my nintendo ever breaks due to their update (not homebrew breaks, but the wii bricks). I'll never buy another nintendo product again. I spend a lot of money on nintendo products. I have 4 controllers, 4 wheels, 4 nunchucks, 4 classic controllers, 4 light guns, 4 motion plus thingies, multiple games (I think I own 15 games) etc.

But that will be the last straw. I left PC games due to DRM annoyances. I could of just pirated content, but instead I moved to consoles. I'm happy with my 360. I could build a small pc and just used all pirated ROMs and never buy a single VC game again. It would be a lot cheaper, and sure I'd miss nice nintendo games, but at this point I really don't give a shit.

I try to be legal. If there is a legal way to get it, I buy it. But I'll be damned if I'm punished for the fact I want to play a old apple 2 game, or nintendo game that isn't on the VC.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: viivo
I feel bad for legitimate owners, but if even one pirate (homebrew, seriously? Come on.) is affected I have to smile.

:roll:

 

[Crow550]

Originally posted by: viivo
I feel bad for legitimate owners, but if even one pirate (homebrew, seriously? Come on.) is affected I have to smile.

Homebrew can be used for evil. So can a PC.

Lots of people use homebrew for emulators and such. Sorry if most people don't want to pay for 10+ year old games. Or they use it for apps like Mplayer and such.

The Homebrew channel has allot of cool stuff. Take a look: http://www.wiibrew.org/wiki/List_of_all_homebrew before you judge every homebrew user as a game stealing asshole....

Plus all the 4.2 update did is hurt Nintendo. Not everyone has updated yet....

As for Homebrew users..... They have found a work around for the 4.2 update. They also reported Nintendos Boot 2v4 is really buggy.

So be careful if you do update.

Again this is a widespread issue affecting non-homebrew people too. Not all though. However other issues besides bricking has been known to happen. So if all is okay with 4.2 on your Wii consider yourself lucky.

 

[Tom]

Where's the evidence this affects unmodded Wiis ? A bunch of posts from brand new members on a forum doesn't mean anything.

 

[sourceninja]

I trust the hackMii guys more then I trust apple when it comes to what a firmware update will break. If they say it's buggy and will break un-modded wii's I believe them.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: sourceninja
Yea, because god forbid I want to be able to play wii games, play VC games, and play roms of games I legally own (but didn't rip myself) and are not on the VC.

I'm such a horrible pirate with my FFI and Contra!

Fact, if my nintendo ever breaks due to their update (not homebrew breaks, but the wii bricks). I'll never buy another nintendo product again. I spend a lot of money on nintendo products. I have 4 controllers, 4 wheels, 4 nunchucks, 4 classic controllers, 4 light guns, 4 motion plus thingies, multiple games (I think I own 15 games) etc.

But that will be the last straw. I left PC games due to DRM annoyances. I could of just pirated content, but instead I moved to consoles. I'm happy with my 360. I could build a small pc and just used all pirated ROMs and never buy a single VC game again. It would be a lot cheaper, and sure I'd miss nice nintendo games, but at this point I really don't give a shit.

I try to be legal. If there is a legal way to get it, I buy it. But I'll be damned if I'm punished for the fact I want to play a old apple 2 game, or nintendo game that isn't on the VC.

Melodramatic much? You do realize this has happened to basically every product that gets regular software updates anymore? 360, PS3, PSP, Zune, iPod/iPhone, etc. It sucks, but it happens and swearing off a company forever due to it is just silly.

Its generally rare and I'd expect often is roughly the same number as systems that might randomly fail anyways (so the software might just show that the hardware wasn't completely right anyways, much like how you can have bad RAM or bad HDD sectors and not find out until its actually addressed).

 

[Crow550]

Looks like IGN has posted a story on the issue: http://wii.ign.com/articles/103/1030354p1.html

 

[sourceninja]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: sourceninja
Yea, because god forbid I want to be able to play wii games, play VC games, and play roms of games I legally own (but didn't rip myself) and are not on the VC.

I'm such a horrible pirate with my FFI and Contra!

Fact, if my nintendo ever breaks due to their update (not homebrew breaks, but the wii bricks). I'll never buy another nintendo product again. I spend a lot of money on nintendo products. I have 4 controllers, 4 wheels, 4 nunchucks, 4 classic controllers, 4 light guns, 4 motion plus thingies, multiple games (I think I own 15 games) etc.

But that will be the last straw. I left PC games due to DRM annoyances. I could of just pirated content, but instead I moved to consoles. I'm happy with my 360. I could build a small pc and just used all pirated ROMs and never buy a single VC game again. It would be a lot cheaper, and sure I'd miss nice nintendo games, but at this point I really don't give a shit.

I try to be legal. If there is a legal way to get it, I buy it. But I'll be damned if I'm punished for the fact I want to play a old apple 2 game, or nintendo game that isn't on the VC.

Melodramatic much? You do realize this has happened to basically every product that gets regular software updates anymore? 360, PS3, PSP, Zune, iPod/iPhone, etc. It sucks, but it happens and swearing off a company forever due to it is just silly.

Its generally rare and I'd expect often is roughly the same number as systems that might randomly fail anyways (so the software might just show that the hardware wasn't completely right anyways, much like how you can have bad RAM or bad HDD sectors and not find out until its actually addressed).

An update that accidentally breaks my hardware fine. An update released for the SOLE purpose of preventing me from doing what I want to do with my hardware, without even pretending to fix other things, and then it also is done so poorly it bricks the hardware? No that's not something done everyday. On top of that, they then try to claim the bricking only happens on hacked hardware. Poor form all around.

I swore off the iphone for the same reasoning and my next phone will not be a iphone. That decision may mean my next computer might not be a mac. Microsoft hasn't intentionally released an update to prevent me from using my xbox the way I want to use it.

The simple point is there is no reason for this update. It gave no improvements to the customer and only has negative impact. That is a bunch of shit. No company should be rewarded for this kind of bull.

 

[sourceninja]

Plus, if they are going to continue to break my stuff, why do they deserve my money? That's not dramatic, that's a fact of life. Why give them money for something only to have them break it out of some misguided attempt at vengeance?

If they were fixing crashes or improving the UI, or adding new features I could deal with it. That is the risk I take. But instead they released firmware to attack homebrew users. No other reason. It's bad for you, it's bad for me, it's bad for anyone who has ever given them money. And if it breaks, they are going to tell me it's my fault for having a homebrew channel. So they won't fix it for free, but they broke it for no reason. Why should I ever give them money again?

 

[murphy55d]

Did they pull the update or are they just looking into it? I dont want to risk. guess ill wait.

 

[dguy6789]

Updated fine on my Wii.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: sourceninja

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: sourceninja
Yea, because god forbid I want to be able to play wii games, play VC games, and play roms of games I legally own (but didn't rip myself) and are not on the VC.

I'm such a horrible pirate with my FFI and Contra!

Fact, if my nintendo ever breaks due to their update (not homebrew breaks, but the wii bricks). I'll never buy another nintendo product again. I spend a lot of money on nintendo products. I have 4 controllers, 4 wheels, 4 nunchucks, 4 classic controllers, 4 light guns, 4 motion plus thingies, multiple games (I think I own 15 games) etc.

But that will be the last straw. I left PC games due to DRM annoyances. I could of just pirated content, but instead I moved to consoles. I'm happy with my 360. I could build a small pc and just used all pirated ROMs and never buy a single VC game again. It would be a lot cheaper, and sure I'd miss nice nintendo games, but at this point I really don't give a shit.

I try to be legal. If there is a legal way to get it, I buy it. But I'll be damned if I'm punished for the fact I want to play a old apple 2 game, or nintendo game that isn't on the VC.

Melodramatic much? You do realize this has happened to basically every product that gets regular software updates anymore? 360, PS3, PSP, Zune, iPod/iPhone, etc. It sucks, but it happens and swearing off a company forever due to it is just silly.

Its generally rare and I'd expect often is roughly the same number as systems that might randomly fail anyways (so the software might just show that the hardware wasn't completely right anyways, much like how you can have bad RAM or bad HDD sectors and not find out until its actually addressed).

An update that accidentally breaks my hardware fine. An update released for the SOLE purpose of preventing me from doing what I want to do with my hardware, without even pretending to fix other things, and then it also is done so poorly it bricks the hardware? No that's not something done everyday. On top of that, they then try to claim the bricking only happens on hacked hardware. Poor form all around.

I swore off the iphone for the same reasoning and my next phone will not be a iphone. That decision may mean my next computer might not be a mac. Microsoft hasn't intentionally released an update to prevent me from using my xbox the way I want to use it.

The simple point is there is no reason for this update. It gave no improvements to the customer and only has negative impact. That is a bunch of shit. No company should be rewarded for this kind of bull.

I'm not sure how you're getting that it was only to stop modded consoles. Also, Microsoft has been accused of the same thing with the 360, so don't act like they're any different. If you're using a modded console you should know enough to not update until you know what its about or its been hacked as well. The "using the hardware the way I want" argument is senseless as the whole point of it is the software specifically made for the console. If you aren't interested in that you can find better means to accomplish the rest.

 

[gorcorps]

We'll see how much of nintendo's fault this really was. I seem to remember several major fw releases for the 360 and PS3 getting quick initial reports of bricked consoles, but it just turned out that the person didn't update right, or their internet dropped during the update, power failed, etc... all things that have nothing to do with the console or update.

 

[techwanabe]

for those of us who live in a cave, what is "bricked"?

 

[Crow550]

Originally posted by: techwanabe
for those of us who live in a cave, what is "bricked"?

The Wii works by it's Operating System on a chip. "Firmware" so when an update fails and corrupts the data on the chip the device is froze and useless, thus a brick.

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: techwanabe
for those of us who live in a cave, what is "bricked"?

The firware update fails and the hardware basically becomes unresponsive (i.e. as useful as a brick). Sort of like the OS on a computer becoming corrupted and all you get is a blank screen when you turn it on.

 

[murphy55d]

Originally posted by: gorcorps
We'll see how much of nintendo's fault this really was. I seem to remember several major fw releases for the 360 and PS3 getting quick initial reports of bricked consoles, but it just turned out that the person didn't update right, or their internet dropped during the update, power failed, etc... all things that have nothing to do with the console or update.

dont think that is the case. way too many reports for this to be user error. and nintendo has come out and say we will fix your consoles for free if this happened to you on a non-modded wii.

 

[RaiderJ]

It's really a losing battle to try and stop the pirates.... people will hack consoles just because

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: murphy55d

Originally posted by: gorcorps
We'll see how much of nintendo's fault this really was. I seem to remember several major fw releases for the 360 and PS3 getting quick initial reports of bricked consoles, but it just turned out that the person didn't update right, or their internet dropped during the update, power failed, etc... all things that have nothing to do with the console or update.

dont think that is the case. way too many reports for this to be user error. and nintendo has come out and say we will fix your consoles for free if this happened to you on a non-modded wii.

Where are these "reports" you're talking about ? There isn't a single credible report in the OP's links ..

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: Tom
Where are these "reports" you're talking about ? There isn't a single credible report in the OP's links ..

What are you expecting to see? I see quite a few people reporting bricked Wiis. It's not like they can produce special certificates proving their consoles are bricked and non-modified. I also don't recall there being quite this many reports of bricks on a previous update. A few is pretty normal, but there are so many this time that many of the gaming media sites are reporting on it. I think you're trying to ignore the obvious here.

 

[Crow550]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: Tom
Where are these "reports" you're talking about ? There isn't a single credible report in the OP's links ..

What are you expecting to see? I see quite a few people reporting bricked Wiis. It's not like they can produce special certificates proving their consoles are bricked and non-modified. I also don't recall there being quite this many reports of bricks on a previous update. A few is pretty normal, but there are so many this time that many of the gaming media sites are reporting on it. I think you're trying to ignore the obvious here.

Yeah the update came out a few days ago.... Wait a week or two when more people update.

Plus want more reports?

Google it!

Just type in wii 4.2

It's only been a few days.... Looks like allot to me so far.... Check around at other gaming boards....

This has nothing to do with just homebrew crew.... Big N messed up. All they did was create a pain in the ass for Wii owners (unknown right now, how many) & shot themselfs in the foot. Plus Wii updates should add new features like new channels!

This was pointless. There #1 in console sales. They are making the $$$ & have nothing to loose or worry for those who choose to be evil with homebrew & are punishing the people who aren't being evil. All they did is piss off a good chunk of Nintendo supporters. Well see how things churn out.

 

[sourceninja]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17


I'm not sure how you're getting that it was only to stop modded consoles. Also, Microsoft has been accused of the same thing with the 360, so don't act like they're any different. If you're using a modded console you should know enough to not update until you know what its about or its been hacked as well. The "using the hardware the way I want" argument is senseless as the whole point of it is the software specifically made for the console. If you aren't interested in that you can find better means to accomplish the rest.

Well lets look at what was patched.

Enhanced system menu ? now with a new iplESMisc.cpp:eleteTicketsForce function that runs after verifySavedataZD, upon every boot of the system. In addition to looking for the Twilight Hack and deleting it if found, it will now look for title-IDs DVDX and HAXX (the latter being the Homebrew Channel) and delete them if found.

-- Hmmm, seems like it was patched to delete dvdx, homebrew, and hacks to install them. This helps the user how?

Updated boot2 ? All Wiis that shipped with boot2v2 or boot2v3 (the first 30 million or so) will have boot2v4 installed. There?s no behavioral difference, here, but it will wipe out BootMii if it is installed as boot2.

- Hmm, only reason to update boot2 is to wipe out bootmii. They never have done an update to boot2 before, and this is where the problems come in.

Updated IOSes ? updated versions of IOS9, IOS12, IOS13, IOS14, IOS15, IOS17, IOS21, IOS22, IOS28, IOS31, IOS33, IOS34, IOS35, IOS36, IOS37, IOS38, IOS53, IOS55, IOS56, IOS57, IOS60, and IOS61. A new IOS70 is installed for the new System Menu to use. I haven?t looked at the changes in any depth, but they seemed to have fixed the IOS exploit we were using in the most recent HackMii Installer.

-- again, updated to block the HackMii installer (which was worked around in all of 3 secodns).

Updated BC, MIOS and IOS254? I?m not really sure what the point of this was, but they probably just rebuilt everything to be safe. They could have used the opportunity to try to overwrite BootMii/IOS, but they didn?t (the version number is lower than that used by BootMii, so it won?t install).


New stub IOSes installed as IOS222, IOS223, IOS249, and IOS250. This seems to be the only effort made to remove ?unauthorized firmware? from the Wii. This may or may not actually work, depending on the version number used in the TMD of the already-installed version of IOS.

-- These two are again, self explanatory. Done to remove "unauthorized firmware"

Updated shop channel ? this was probably just a routine update of the shop channel, and they probably stopped allowing the older (4.1) version of the shop channel to connect. This is the only actual ?carrot? to entice you to update.

-- Done only to force you to run this upgrade if you want to continue to buy VC games.


I don't see anything done to actually improve the user experience. And improving the user experience is the only reason updates should ever be made.