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swilli89

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Just seeing this makes me SO excited!! Hardware local multiplayer and a new Zelda on the go? I recently started traveling for work so Nintendo.. shut up and take my money! I have a feeling nVidia is going to supply a very good SoC that has the right amount of muscle and sips power. As long as Nintendo markets well and releases with a strong suite of games I see this really taking off!
 

IllogicalGlory

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At $400 they'll have to do with angry birds.
$300

I'm really looking forward to news about this console, but if it uses the Tegra X1, I will not be very happy. Also if that word "interact" with your games means what it could mean (read: play some shitty mobile companion app instead of the actual game), I don't think anyone will be very happy.

Nintendo could have a huge winner on their hands here, though. A console that's in the same arena as PS4/Xbone in performance, plus compatibility with Android games, plus other Shield Android TV compatible games, plus 1st party Nintendo titles, plus 3/DS emulation? All on a portable system? Sold. Also it would be great if some older Wii U games get ported to it, but I don't know about that.

None of the above is confirmed, just my wishlist. A full merging of the Shield and Nintendo ecosystems, though, that would be amazing. Maybe it could even be compatible with that PC game streaming service of NV's.
 

lolipopman

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$300

I'm really looking forward to news about this console, but if it uses the Tegra X1, I will not be very happy. Also if that word "interact" with your games means what it could mean (read: play some shitty mobile companion app instead of the actual game), I don't think anyone will be very happy.

Nintendo could have a huge winner on their hands here, though. A console that's in the same arena as PS4/Xbone in performance, plus compatibility with Android games, plus other Shield Android TV compatible games, plus 1st party Nintendo titles, plus 3/DS emulation? All on a portable system? Sold. Also it would be great if some older Wii U games get ported to it, but I don't know about that.

None of the above is confirmed, just my wishlist. A full merging of the Shield and Nintendo ecosystems, though, that would be amazing. Maybe it could even be compatible with that PC game streaming service of NV's.
In handheld mode it will definitely be no equal to or even near Xbox One performance, but that's expected from mobile hardware.

I'm a huge handheld fan so seeing this being above the iPad Pro is very exciting.

Edit: So it seems another engineering sample has shown up on the benchmarks, this time powered by AMD hardware, using the dated Bonaire architecture. Interestingly both are using Android OS. Could they be perhaps testing it? I know for sure Nintendo will use their own OS. Guess these are probably two different devices that have nothing to do with the NX.

Now I know this is a bit far-fetched but I think they'll use different hardware in handheld mode or dock mode. This gives weight to the 'bundled' rumours as it would've made no if they were to simply up the clock speeds.

Performance wise the dock mode is between the XB1 and PS4 and in handheld mode it is somewhat weaker than the XB1.

So, yeah, just speculation.
 
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sxr7171

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It will be $400 for anyone planning on using it. Who went and bought the basic WiiU? That was a bad deal. They know all their fans are in their 30s and will buy it for themselves in guise for their kids. The $400 version will be the only one worth buying as the $300 one will be gimped. They know who they are targeting. If you buy the $300 version you will spend more than $100 on accessories to get equivalency.
 

Red Hawk

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I mean the WiiU. I feel burned by that.

What kind of Nintendo system has no Zelda?

Breath of the Wild was originally intended for the Wii U, and the Wii U is still getting it. They're just pulling another Twilight Princess by delaying the game on Wii U so they can use it as a launch title for the NX. This time though they don't already have an original Zelda game on the console.

There are a couple reasons why it took them so long. First, in general Nintendo had a steep learning curve with HD development. The resources needed for HD development caught them by surprise, so a lot of their first party exclusives ended up delayed. Second, Breath of the Wild is a pretty ambitious game. Huge game world, fully explorable and lots of things to do -- all of which needed to be developed, tuned, and tested. Probably the biggest development cycle of any Zelda game, ever. So while I do think Nintendo is at fault for being ill prepared for HD development, I don't think they somehow deliberately stalled at getting a Zelda game on the system. It's just taken this long.

Now Metroid, on the other hand...

Anyways. The handheld side to this ought to be just $200. That's the sweet spot, I think, for a handheld device. I'll be sad if they abandon the 3DS form factor and features for the handheld. I mean, uniting the home console and handheld devices into one more unified system is a neat idea in some ways, but it may cost the unique appeals of each.
 

IllogicalGlory

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In handheld mode it will definitely be no equal to or even near Xbox One performance, but that's expected from mobile hardware.
I do realize that, but I did say the 'same arena'. Maybe 1/4th as powerful on the go? Closer to half when docked? 256 shaders isn't too many, but we might see decent clocks when docked. ~1.5GHz? Assuming these are Pascal shaders. That'd make it about half as fast as Xbox One, maybe a touch above. If it downclocks to half that in mobile form, it's still faster than Wii U (though not by much) and so much faster than 3DS. 1080p on the TV, 720p on handheld seems possible.

It's actually possible to pretty accurately compare the Xbox One and PS4 GPUs with the Wii U's GPU. The Wii U's GPU is almost point for point, the Radeon HD 4650. Using Techpowerup's charts, I can estimate that a 7870 is about 6.3 times faster than a 4670, while a 7790 is about 4.3 times faster. The PS4 is then probably about 5.5 to 6 times faster, while the Xbone is about 4 - 4.3 times faster. The Wii U's real weakness is its ridiculously outdated CPU. PowerPC was a nice architecture, but Nintendo seems to have been tethered to it like AMD has been to Bulldozer, only for much longer. NX will bring a massive upgrade if it's Pascal. Flush out all the antiquated crap that Nintendo's been forcing on us. Pascal's efficient design and kick-ass delta color compression are a perfect fit for a system like the NX.
 
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sxr7171

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Breath of the Wild was originally intended for the Wii U, and the Wii U is still getting it. They're just pulling another Twilight Princess by delaying the game on Wii U so they can use it as a launch title for the NX. This time though they don't already have an original Zelda game on the console.

There are a couple reasons why it took them so long. First, in general Nintendo had a steep learning curve with HD development. The resources needed for HD development caught them by surprise, so a lot of their first party exclusives ended up delayed. Second, Breath of the Wild is a pretty ambitious game. Huge game world, fully explorable and lots of things to do -- all of which needed to be developed, tuned, and tested. Probably the biggest development cycle of any Zelda game, ever. So while I do think Nintendo is at fault for being ill prepared for HD development, I don't think they somehow deliberately stalled at getting a Zelda game on the system. It's just taken this long.

Now Metroid, on the other hand...

Anyways. The handheld side to this ought to be just $200. That's the sweet spot, I think, for a handheld device. I'll be sad if they abandon the 3DS form factor and features for the handheld. I mean, uniting the home console and handheld devices into one more unified system is a neat idea in some ways, but it may cost the unique appeals of each.

Only one company that everyone remembers as the progenitor of video gaming as we know it can command that kind of pricing. Or so they think. Watch the uptake be poor and the price drops come fast. In any case this company handled the 3D transition pretty well with the 64 and with Gamecube they were still very competitive.

So since the Gamecube they seem to have been sitting around doing nothing. Also what the WiiU puts out might be HD in resolution but seriously the system is basically a souped up Wii. You cannot tell me they couldn't handle developing for it. The releases got delayed by a lot and they decided to kill the WiiU.

I'm not dropping hundreds of dollars to play one company's games. Only the most hardcore nostalgia driven fans would. They just need to go 3rd party. Their entire output from the past 5 years doesn't warrant the cost of a console plus controllers plus accessories plus amibo plus whatever money grabbing plans they have.

Forget about Metroid. No game can meet the expectations of people waiting for it. It's going to be too little too late if it ever comes. I'd rather replay Metroid Prime in Dolphin VR.

I like Zelda but I really didn't bother finishing any 3D Zelda. It's really made for kids who have hours upon hours to kill grinding through it. I think a time comes when one outgrows that stuff.

I agree at $200 a bunch of Nintendo fans will not think twice. I'd even get it expecting nothing but a Mario game and that Zelda. Nintendo is the only company that could get me to buy a $200 system for two games. That was my rationale for getting the WiiU. All I got were HD rehashes of old games. Let's see if any other company could pull that and stay around. The love for Nintendo is just some love for the past days of gaming carefree, no job, no bills, just sit and play. This system isn't making those days come back. Maybe for a few moments it can remind you of an easier time in your life but that's about it. Just a few moments. They haven't proved they can make any HD quality game yet. The WiiU Mario was 3D but none of it was even as open as Galaxy was. We can talk hardware all day, but this company has not had any software worth talking about for a long time unless it's another Mario Kart rehash. I'm sick and tired of it. New console + $60 for that? I'm not that dumb anymore. I'd buy an Oculus before I pay Nintendo a dime. The whole set up will end up costing the same. The difference will be a glimpse of the future or nostalgic rehashes from the past.
 

sxr7171

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I do realize that, but I did say the 'same arena'. Maybe 1/4th as powerful on the go? Closer to half when docked? 256 shaders isn't too many, but we might see decent clocks when docked. ~1.5GHz? Assuming these are Pascal shaders. That'd make it about half as fast as Xbox One, maybe a touch above. If it downclocks to half that in mobile form, it's still faster than Wii U (though not by much) and so much faster than 3DS. 1080p on the TV, 720p on handheld seems possible.

It's actually possible to pretty accurately compare the Xbox One and PS4 GPUs with the Wii U's GPU. The Wii U's GPU is almost point for point, the Radeon HD 4650. Using Techpowerup's charts, I can estimate that a 7870 is about 6.3 times faster than a 4670, while a 7790 is about 4.3 times faster. The PS4 is then probably about 5.5 to 6 times faster, while the Xbone is about 4 - 4.3 times faster. The Wii U's real weakness is its ridiculously outdated CPU. PowerPC was a nice architecture, but Nintendo seems to have been tethered to it like AMD has been to Bulldozer, only for much longer. NX will bring a massive upgrade if it's Pascal. Flush out all the antiquated crap that Nintendo's been forcing on us. Pascal's efficient design and kick-ass delta color compression are a perfect fit for a system like the NX.

At the least it might not take 10 minutes to start up.
 

Red Hawk

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I like Zelda but I really didn't bother finishing any 3D Zelda. It's really made for kids who have hours upon hours to kill grinding through it. I think a time comes when one outgrows that stuff.

...this makes me think you don't even really know what you're going on about. I mean, what are you even trying to say here? That games that take a significant time investment are made for kids and people "grow out of it"? Maybe you are just better off playing casual phone games, then.
 

nurturedhate

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...this makes me think you don't even really know what you're going on about. I mean, what are you even trying to say here? That games that take a significant time investment are made for kids and people "grow out of it"? Maybe you are just better off playing casual phone games, then.

Agreed. If you don't want this console, aren't interested in it's hardware/development, don't like the direction of current game styles/development then why are you here.
 

lolipopman

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I do realize that, but I did say the 'same arena'. Maybe 1/4th as powerful on the go? Closer to half when docked? 256 shaders isn't too many, but we might see decent clocks when docked. ~1.5GHz? Assuming these are Pascal shaders. That'd make it about half as fast as Xbox One, maybe a touch above. If it downclocks to half that in mobile form, it's still faster than Wii U (though not by much) and so much faster than 3DS. 1080p on the TV, 720p on handheld seems possible.

It's actually possible to pretty accurately compare the Xbox One and PS4 GPUs with the Wii U's GPU. The Wii U's GPU is almost point for point, the Radeon HD 4650. Using Techpowerup's charts, I can estimate that a 7870 is about 6.3 times faster than a 4670, while a 7790 is about 4.3 times faster. The PS4 is then probably about 5.5 to 6 times faster, while the Xbone is about 4 - 4.3 times faster. The Wii U's real weakness is its ridiculously outdated CPU. PowerPC was a nice architecture, but Nintendo seems to have been tethered to it like AMD has been to Bulldozer, only for much longer. NX will bring a massive upgrade if it's Pascal. Flush out all the antiquated crap that Nintendo's been forcing on us. Pascal's efficient design and kick-ass delta color compression are a perfect fit for a system like the NX.
Yes absolutely. I should've mentioned that if the rumoured specs are true then even in handheld mode it should be a significant improvement over the Wii U.

Nvidia Shield TV which doesn't run on a battery is already ahead of the Wii U. And presumably the prototype/sample whatever it is found on the benchmark is already over 1.5 times faster than X1. So accounting battery compensation and all it should still be at or above the Shield which is a colossal improvement from the 3DS.
 

sxr7171

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...this makes me think you don't even really know what you're going on about. I mean, what are you even trying to say here? That games that take a significant time investment are made for kids and people "grow out of it"? Maybe you are just better off playing casual phone games, then.

No that their pricing and constant delaying of product can only be supported by adults willing to overpay for a taste of nostalgic feelings from childhood. What were they doing for those between Gamecube and now? Delaying a game beyond an entire hardware cycle (burning everyone who bought the hardware) is only something someone who is very desperate for that game would put up with. At this point they want more money? New hardware to be bought? They've crossed that line where some of us won't care anymore. No company or product is worth being treated like this. So it's coming on WiiU, like I really wanted to wait 4 years to play a cut down version of a game made for a whole new console.

You may be pleased to drop $400 to roll the dice on these people again, but I am not. I'm not buying new hardware to play for sure 2 games I'd like and the rest just a bunch of crap like Mario maker or something junk like that. Maybe another "HD" rehash of some Metroid Prime or was that done already? Hard to keep track.

Yes, people grow out of that Mario Kart stuff. Same crap on every system again and again. There will be no new IP and there for sure won't be any 3rd parties bringing anything to this.

Seriously the excuses to make and kill a system before even putting a Zelda on it. Don't they start development before the console drops? They have no 3rd parties anymore so the onus is on them to produce first party games. Not just stupid rehashes like SSB or Mario Kart which is all they've shown of late. Their new IP is "mario maker"? Seriously $50 to make SMB1 on your TV? This is Nintendo creativity these days. I don't care if this new Zelda is hyped up to the sky. It's too little too late. There will be no Metroid. As I don't consider these new 2D/3D Mario platformer games to be AAA level, there is only one confirmed AAA title for this system I know now to expect anything more.

Because last time "HD" was too much for them poor babies. This time it will be that keeping up with 5 years old graphics is too much for their poor little lazy faces. Excuses and excuses all day that only old dudes who grew up in the 80s would open their wallets for. There's a lot better more amazing stuff now. You grow out of getting jerked around this much. Had they supported the WiiU, at least kept it on life support maybe I'd pay just the $60 for the game. But they abandoned it and when stuff hits the fan again they'll abandon it again. To heck with the games that were promised. At this point I consider the company impotent and not able to carry out anything beyond selling hardware and mobile games. Which is what this new Zelda will really end up being - a glorified mobile game. This is what the fans wait 4 years for and buy a whole new system for? At some point it's just not worth it. Some companies are not worth doing business with. Ones who can produce and deliver with minimal fuss are just better for me. I don't have the time or mental energy to be jerked around. That's what growing out of it is for me. Reading a book is better entertainment than being jerked around for their stale ideas on gaming.

I'm not spelling it out but VR is in the back of my mind as I write this. The NES ushered in a good 30 years of gaming as we know it. The next 30 belongs to VR. I say this to anyone who still gets a boner out of Nintendo's broken promises and new track record of not producing any AAA games. Get over it, that era is over. Nintendo can't even handle itself at this point. This new whatever thing they want $300/400 for won't even make it for 3 years and by then 3 gen VR will be coming out. This is backwards looking junk with one AAA game to it's name.
 

sxr7171

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Agreed. If you don't want this console, aren't interested in it's hardware/development, don't like the direction of current game styles/development then why are you here.

Yeah I should leave. I made my small attempt to let you know why this has failure written all over it. I was a huge Nintendo fan as you guys are. I have quite a few friends who still get boners over anything this company releases. My message to them is the same. This Nintendo stuff is dead and it has been for a while, just because some stupid mario kart rehash 8 is so much fun (not really nobody plays more than 2 rounds - they just talk like they love it) and reminded you of college doesn't mean it's any good. The gaming world is moving way too fast for this stuff. I just hope people don't get burned even more than WiiU owners. Even MS and Sony have gone the prebuilt PC route. They are questioning the console model altogether. It's all going to be about software and hardware will get more generic except for VR which will be hardware driven for a decade or two. Nintendo will end up 3rd party. That silly iPhone game is harbinger of the world to come and again they made some stupid crap attempt to capitalize on their brand recognition yet again. All name no substance. Not a proper AAA game since the last Metroid or Zelda on original Wii. How long ago was that? Just think.

Anyway I'm done talking about this. The hardware side seems interesting to read about. Pascal Tegra, sounds good. This stuff without proper software lasts a year anymore. Even MS and Sony know this. They will keep whoring out their franchises on smartphones about 3 years from now. Mario Kart 15. Can't wait.

Yes, I'm done with negative talk about Nintendo. I really hope it works out for buyers of this thing. I really do. I just won't bet on it.
 

railven

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The pricing is still rumor and can change, but even at $300 if the core concept is a handheld+a dock/console, the price seems fair. I personally don't see Nintendo trying to sell the handheld by itself even more so if the branding is "duo." Nintendo has been hush about their plans outside of some "leaked" info that has generated a lot of buzz in the gaming community (specifically Zelda and now a Mario/Pokemon title within a short window of launch.)

Anyways, got to see more details on what actually comes in the box. I hope Nintendo doesn't fragment their user base like they did with the Wii U (hell even MSFT learned their lesson with the 360 Core vs Pro).
 

lolipopman

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So a 'new' rumour has surfaced which seems to say that its going to be revealed next week. More on Neogaf. (Can I link threads from other sites?)

It may seem like one of those "My dad works at Nintendo and he says it's going to be revealed tomorrow" type of rumours but the intensity is just immense.

I have hunch it's gonna be this month.
 

RussianSensation

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So a 'new' rumour has surfaced which seems to say that its going to be revealed next week. More on Neogaf. (Can I link threads from other sites?)

It may seem like one of those "My dad works at Nintendo and he says it's going to be revealed tomorrow" type of rumours but the intensity is just immense.

I have hunch it's gonna be this month.

IBTimes reports that NX will be unveiled in the next 48 hours, on Friday, October 21st. Expected price is $299 and $399 in a bundle. Macquarie Group is anticipating the price between $300 and $350. ~ Source

"Credit rating agency Macquarie has recently downgraded its rating for the home of Mario from ‘Outperform’ to ‘Neutral’, which essentially amounts to the agency telling investors that it doesn’t expect the company to perform especially well in the near future.

Explaining the change, the firm cited its expectation that NX sales to be weaker than expected due to its expected $300-350 price being too high. Assuming its price sits at the bottom end of that spectrum that translates to around £250 or AU$390." ~ Source


It's not a particularly great sign that R* didn't even announce Red Dead Redemption 2 for the NX. I suppose major studios are barred from announcing future games on yet announced Nintendo console. Still it got me thinking about the biggest obstacles the NX faces of all -- the launch timing is not optimal (imho) and the compromises of replacing both the New 3DS and Wii U with just one console seem to great given the current pricing and low TDP mobile hardware tech. It's too hard to brush aside that the NX will launch 3.5 years after the current gen consoles, which constitutes at minimum the mid-cycle of this generation. This means the NX will face 80+ million installed PS4/XB1 consoles (aka gamers are much more likely to buy a console their relatives and friends own so that they can play games together or share games). In addition, it's going to be pretty hard for the mainstream PC gamer to ignore the massive library of PS4/XB1 titles and NX's tiny launch library.

There seems to be an inherent conflict with Nintendo in trying to capture millions of mobile gamers, casuals and yet retain the interest of more dedicated/hardcore gamers. For that reason I am still not sold on a $300 hybrid console. I still don't understand why Nintendo didn't just make 2 separate consoles. If Nintendo's NX games are easy to port from x86, then it would have been possible to have Nintendo's next gen home console play the NX portable titles as well.

Luckily, unlike the naysayers who think the NX could be Nintendo's last console, even if NX flops, it will be hardly even dent Nintendo's going concern capability:

"During a recent episode of his Pachter Factor show on Siftd, popular video game industry analyst Michael Pachter indicated he didn't think the Nintendo NX would see much support from third-party developers in the West.

He remarked, "[With] the NX, I think you are going to see very low third-party support outside of Japan unless the thing is a hit."

Despite the risk Pachter noted that Nintendo's cash reserves, which he estimates to be around $10 billion, would carry it through a possible console failure. He said that "[in] the worst case if the NX is a bust, they will lose half a billion." ~ Source


We ran Pachter's numbers through techradar's resident supercomputer which revealed that this would leave Nintendo with around $9.5 billion in cash. In other words, the analyst is less worried about Nintendo going bust, and more about it not making the most of its assets."
 

DamZe

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Nintendo has a nigh legendary reputation of being lazy and outright tyrannical towards third party developers, if they don't change their approach, big AAA titles won't be landing on their platform. But unless the NX has competent hardware, I can’t see big name publishers making special editions with inferior visuals and what not for the NX when there is a huge PS4/XBOX/PC market that is thriving. This “Duo” thing for me is downright insane. Either make a next gen capable home console and start competing again with Sony/Microsoft or make a new handheld, but don’t mix the two. And unless it’s a 4+ TFlop machine, why even bother?
 

dogen1

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Unless those denver cores got some kind of insane efficiency boost that thing is gonna have terrible battery life. I mean, if they're still using a57s that must mean they use less power than denver, which is a horrible sign for a handheld.

Seems like they'd be better off licensing something from samsung or qualcomm.


edit - Just noticed those benches say Android Nvidia edition. I don't think this is the nintendo chip. Probably a new Tegra tablet.
 
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jpiniero

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edit - Just noticed those benches say Android Nvidia edition. I don't think this is the nintendo chip. Probably a new Tegra tablet.

Could be a devkit. I wouldn't be surprised if the NX spawned from a (now cancelled) Shield concept.
 

railven

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I thought Patcher's credibility finally ended when he went on the record calling PC Gamers racists, denied it, only to have audio files leaked with him saying it? That guy has been predicting Nintendo's demise since the Wii.
 

lolipopman

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IBTimes reports that NX will be unveiled in the next 48 hours, on Friday, October 21st. Expected price is $299 and $399 in a bundle. Macquarie Group is anticipating the price between $300 and $350. ~ Source

"Credit rating agency Macquarie has recently downgraded its rating for the home of Mario from ‘Outperform’ to ‘Neutral’, which essentially amounts to the agency telling investors that it doesn’t expect the company to perform especially well in the near future.

Explaining the change, the firm cited its expectation that NX sales to be weaker than expected due to its expected $300-350 price being too high. Assuming its price sits at the bottom end of that spectrum that translates to around £250 or AU$390." ~ Source


It's not a particularly great sign that R* didn't even announce Red Dead Redemption 2 for the NX. I suppose major studios are barred from announcing future games on yet announced Nintendo console. Still it got me thinking about the biggest obstacles the NX faces of all -- the launch timing is not optimal (imho) and the compromises of replacing both the New 3DS and Wii U with just one console seem to great given the current pricing and low TDP mobile hardware tech. It's too hard to brush aside that the NX will launch 3.5 years after the current gen consoles, which constitutes at minimum the mid-cycle of this generation. This means the NX will face 80+ million installed PS4/XB1 consoles (aka gamers are much more likely to buy a console their relatives and friends own so that they can play games together or share games). In addition, it's going to be pretty hard for the mainstream PC gamer to ignore the massive library of PS4/XB1 titles and NX's tiny launch library.

There seems to be an inherent conflict with Nintendo in trying to capture millions of mobile gamers, casuals and yet retain the interest of more dedicated/hardcore gamers. For that reason I am still not sold on a $300 hybrid console. I still don't understand why Nintendo didn't just make 2 separate consoles. If Nintendo's NX games are easy to port from x86, then it would have been possible to have Nintendo's next gen home console play the NX portable titles as well.

Luckily, unlike the naysayers who think the NX could be Nintendo's last console, even if NX flops, it will be hardly even dent Nintendo's going concern capability:

"During a recent episode of his Pachter Factor show on Siftd, popular video game industry analyst Michael Pachter indicated he didn't think the Nintendo NX would see much support from third-party developers in the West.

He remarked, "[With] the NX, I think you are going to see very low third-party support outside of Japan unless the thing is a hit."

Despite the risk Pachter noted that Nintendo's cash reserves, which he estimates to be around $10 billion, would carry it through a possible console failure. He said that "[in] the worst case if the NX is a bust, they will lose half a billion." ~ Source


We ran Pachter's numbers through techradar's resident supercomputer which revealed that this would leave Nintendo with around $9.5 billion in cash. In other words, the analyst is less worried about Nintendo going bust, and more about it not making the most of its assets."
I agree with the other poster about Nintendo themselves being at fault for poor third party. But we'll see. I'm honestly not expecting much after the Wii U.

About ~8 hours left for the pteview trailer, I'm betting on it simply being a concept/gimmick introduction and we'll probably see some games running on it too if we're lucky.

I'm excited for both Red Dead Redemption 2 and NX! October turned out to be not so bad.
 

lolipopman

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I love it! This is exactly what I expected and holy crap the new Mario game. Is that a new M64?

Price it right and ill be yours, Nintendo.
 

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I never understand the appeal of Nintendo except Pokemon and Mario series, but this looks ok-ish to me.