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Nintendo Revolution: The Console for the PC Gamer

Chocolate Pi

Senior member
There are PCs, and then, there are consoles.

Console and PC fanboys got along reasonably well for along time. Consoles were cheaper, PCs were more advanced, and that was that. Practically isolated markets!

We see the trend's roots, in retrospect. CD player functionality, then DVD playback. Suddenly we have the Xbox! Consoles impersonating PCs, consoles claiming to be superior to PCs, "convergence" becoming the byword of the industry! Today, the Xbox 360 and PC are so intent of becoming the multi-media hub and graphical powerhouse of the home that fanboy wars across the Internet have grown to bi-directional sieges. Microsoft and Sony have PR people that actually will tell anyone stupid enough to listen that their consoles are vastly more powerful than PCs. They try to woo ignorant customers with higher defintions and online play, things PC gaming has had for decades. Microsoft and Sony are even ramping up the costs of their systems, to get that must closer to PCs and ahead of the other.

Then there is Nintendo.

Even though little is known about the Revolution, the design goals and concepts are evident: Simple. Inexpensive. Small. Portable. Different. Fun. Now that Microsoft and Sony are positioning themselves in the PC/Console hybrid middleground, Nintendo is left alone with the only "pure" console.

PC elitists, tainted by console vs. PC arguments in the past, may insist that PC is superior and thus the closer consoles are to PCs the better the consoles are. This is silly; if you have a PC, which is so wonderful, what benefit do you gain from consoles imitating PCs to some degree? Clearly the ultimate combination is not 1 1/2 PC and 1/2 console, but rather 1 PC and 1 console.

I suppose for people without a good PC, the 360 or PS3 is a cost-effective solution. However, for those of us with good PCs or the capacity to purchase/build them, those systems suddenly seem very silly. For example, if I want to play a game in immersive high definition, why bother with a console at all? Why settle for 1280x720 when you can play 1920x1200 or higher? When I play a console, it isn't because I want graphics. If Nintendo wants to make their console much cheaper and "just 480p", that rocks! I could care less about the console reslution, and I can spend the extra money on a PC video card upgrade or maybe GAMES! I can see why people without a decent PC might fuss about this, but that does not apply to me, nor most people on this board, I assume.

Next, online. Have you played Mario Kart DS? It goes for a different direction of online. Simple, seemless, no lobbies or needless bulk. It is online as it should be done, FOR CONSOLES. (DS's online service will be the same as the Revolution's.) The ability to network Xboxes is nice, but that's not what consoles need. What console's really need is WIRELESS networking. Consoles should be succeed in areas that PCs fail: spontaneous, easy to move and quick to set up networks that supports lots of players. Consoles should be cheap, small, with minimal extra stuff and allow many players. The Revolution succeeds wonderfully at this, allowing it to do what the PC doesn't.

Finally, it has the superiority of a PC's input. A 3D mouse! We all see that the mouse and keyboard is much better than any other input method for many types of games, and the Revolution is the first console that not only uses a mouse-like as a primary input, but even takes it a step farther. All this while mirroring design concepts of the platform at large: Intuitive, simple, and fun.

Many have proposed that the Revolution is the ultimate second console, a perfect companion for the PS3 or 360 that will offer several unique and innovative exclusive games for free. I disagree, I think it is even more of a perfect match for the gaming PC. Together they are perfect compliments, that allow the player to select from immersive, intense and competitive games with great depth, or relaxing, fresh and original games that no one has ever seen before. With the Revolution assumibly costing much less than the other consoles, I again state that the user will have more cash for PC upgrades.

Most importantly though, they are each, in their own way, the ultimate FPS platform. 😛
 
Nintendo just has to be sure that their INITIAL price point is low enough to put it in a league of its own. The Gamecube debuted at, what, $200? And you could score a PS2/XBox for $50/100 more? The Revolution needs to retail at $150 at the *most* AND have a couple big-name, exclusive titles on launch day. A cheap opening price plus good games plus a neat controller plus the ability to download old Nintendo games will entice a lot of people, no matter how expensive their PCs are or how many other consoles they own.
 
Originally posted by: Gibson12345
The Gamecube debuted at, what, $200? And you could score a PS2/XBox for $50/100 more?

Yeah, but the Gamecube hardware was actually comparible to PS2 and Xbox hardware. I don't remember what the launch titles were though. The GC also dropped in price much earlier than the other systems.

 
I suppose for people without a good PC, the 360 or PS3 is a cost-effective solution. However, for those of us with good PCs or the capacity to purchase/build them, those systems suddenly seem very silly.
Gaming on a PC and gaming on a 360 are completely different experiences. Both do what they do very well... But both also provide experiences the other cannot.

Yes, a monitor is higher resolution. But (for the most part), I'd rather game on my couch, in front of my HDTV and 5.1DD surround sound, than sitting at my desk. Two totally different experiences.

Xbox Live... The PC doesn't have a system that can compete. Sure, I can use various IM programs and/or voice programs (such as Teamspeak or Ventrillo)... But it's just not nearly as complete. Seeing what my friends are playing, and joining their game (or inviting them to my game), just doesn't happen on the PC platform.

And then there's the #1 reason... The games. For instance, if I want to play PGR3, I can't do that with my PC.

Just because one has a nice PC (and I do... well, three actually), doesn't make the urge for a 360, "silly." :roll:
 
Great posts, especailly the person who said it is all about the games. I hope they are intending to agree with me, because that's what I was shooting for. (In my long-winded and dull approach...) Obviously, if you really want MGS4 and/or Halo 3 you'll have to get the console they are on, no way around that. A true gamer owns everything.

As for the price, here is what I expect: (We know so little I have to give 3 options)

1. $99 system that is does nothing but refreshes the Gamecube, by adding more RAM, bigger discs, and built-in wi-fi all into a smaller case.
2. $149 system that is a modest jump ahead of all the current gen systems, and can at least get some downgraded ports.
3. $199 system that goes toe-to-toe with the 360 and PS3, sans resolution. It might not come off better, but thanks to the difficulty the latters' threadability brings, Nintendo could end up with a decent number of ports.



 
UPDATE: IGN claims developers say the CPU is a modernized, double-speed Gamecube CPU. (I assume with bigger, modern-er caches too.) They expect the GPU to be a ~twice as powerful version of the GCN GPU too, though they do not know. RAM is increased from 16 MB DRAM + 24 MB 1T-SRAM to 16 MB DRAM + 88 MB 1T-SRAM. Target price: $99 or $149, developers can't be too sure on that.

Fact? Friction? Who knows...
 
I like how you make your big speech on a piece of hardware that is atleast a year away, and in the grand scheme of things, nobody knows anything about it. We know what it will sort of look like, and we've seen the controller. We don't know anything else, and what we do know is subject to change still.
 
What we do know is that Nintendo is not going into the graphics war, and that they consider $300 consoles "too much". That they said themselves! That is enough to let us know, even a year prior, that their system will be a much cheaper competitor in the console world.
 
I personally thing Nintendo will do just fine. As long as they launch with a lower price point and 2 decent games parents will buy it for their kids. Hell I will even buy one if its only 150 and has some great games like a new smash brothers.

Who can resist the entire library of nintendo games either. True I can get them online for free but having the official i am sure is much better.
 
Originally posted by: Chocolate Pi
UPDATE: IGN claims developers say the CPU is a modernized, double-speed Gamecube CPU. (I assume with bigger, modern-er caches too.) They expect the GPU to be a ~twice as powerful version of the GCN GPU too, though they do not know. RAM is increased from 16 MB DRAM + 24 MB 1T-SRAM to 16 MB DRAM + 88 MB 1T-SRAM. Target price: $99 or $149, developers can't be too sure on that.

Fact? Friction? Who knows...

Double the gamecube? So that's like what.. half a normal CPU in a PC? The PS3's cell is supposed to do math 100x faster than a P4, and the Xbox 360 has 3 cores. Even if it were 3 times as powerful as the gamecube, it'd still suck.

And the proof that the game selection isn't focused on gamers: Headlines about "disappointing" sales. Which is a nice way of saying they are getting owned by the competition.

In fact, neither Sony or Microsoft care about Nintendo, they are competing with each other. It's basically Sega all over again. Except I'd play Sega games, can't think of any Nintendo games I'd want.
 
Originally posted by: Malak
Originally posted by: Chocolate Pi
UPDATE: IGN claims developers say the CPU is a modernized, double-speed Gamecube CPU. (I assume with bigger, modern-er caches too.) They expect the GPU to be a ~twice as powerful version of the GCN GPU too, though they do not know. RAM is increased from 16 MB DRAM + 24 MB 1T-SRAM to 16 MB DRAM + 88 MB 1T-SRAM. Target price: $99 or $149, developers can't be too sure on that.

Fact? Friction? Who knows...

Double the gamecube? So that's like what.. half a normal CPU in a PC? The PS3's cell is supposed to do math 100x faster than a P4, and the Xbox 360 has 3 cores. Even if it were 3 times as powerful as the gamecube, it'd still suck.

And the proof that the game selection isn't focused on gamers: Headlines about "disappointing" sales. Which is a nice way of saying they are getting owned by the competition.

In fact, neither Sony or Microsoft care about Nintendo, they are competing with each other. It's basically Sega all over again. Except I'd play Sega games, can't think of any Nintendo games I'd want.

you dont like mario, zelda, metroid, smash bros? I see that corporate brainwashing has gotten to you...good luck.
 
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
you dont like mario, zelda, metroid, smash bros? I see that corporate brainwashing has gotten to you...good luck.

Only a fanboy would say it's brainwashing without considering the fact that someone might not like the games!

I dislike every zelda since NES. I've never been a fan of maria. Metroid didn't impress me in the least. Smash bro's is fun, but doesn't redeem a console. I've owned an NES, Sega Genesis, Sony PS1, PS2, Xbox, and PC's for the last 8 years. I've only gotten a console if it had games I wanted to play. Notice I haven't had a nintendo since the NES.
 
Originally posted by: Malak
Originally posted by: Chocolate Pi
UPDATE: IGN claims developers say the CPU is a modernized, double-speed Gamecube CPU. (I assume with bigger, modern-er caches too.) They expect the GPU to be a ~twice as powerful version of the GCN GPU too, though they do not know. RAM is increased from 16 MB DRAM + 24 MB 1T-SRAM to 16 MB DRAM + 88 MB 1T-SRAM. Target price: $99 or $149, developers can't be too sure on that.

Fact? Friction? Who knows...

Double the gamecube? So that's like what.. half a normal CPU in a PC? The PS3's cell is supposed to do math 100x faster than a P4, and the Xbox 360 has 3 cores. Even if it were 3 times as powerful as the gamecube, it'd still suck.

And the proof that the game selection isn't focused on gamers: Headlines about "disappointing" sales. Which is a nice way of saying they are getting owned by the competition.

In fact, neither Sony or Microsoft care about Nintendo, they are competing with each other. It's basically Sega all over again. Except I'd play Sega games, can't think of any Nintendo games I'd want.

yeah the cell is supposed to be more powerful than blue gene:disgust:

cell is an overrated POS.. it's like Norton, AIM, or Real Player --- in CPU form
 
Your arguments sound remarkably similar to the ones made when Gamecube was released. "Well, I won't pick a GC over an XBox or a PS2, but it will make a great second console." As a PS2 owner, I bought a GC solely to play my Nintendo favorites (Mario, Zelda, Metroid, etc.) and for no other reason. I imagine many GC owners had similar logic.

Nintendo seems to like the niche market they've carved out for themselves with the GC because they're using the same approach with the Revolution. Keep the hardware cheap to maintain profit margins and rely on 1st-party software sales to push console units. Like the GC, they're not competing head-to-head with Sony and Microsoft. They'll target nostalgic fans and younger kids, and they'll probably make a boatload of money.
 
Originally posted by: Malak
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
you dont like mario, zelda, metroid, smash bros? I see that corporate brainwashing has gotten to you...good luck.

Only a fanboy would say it's brainwashing without considering the fact that someone might not like the games!

I dislike every zelda since NES. I've never been a fan of maria. Metroid didn't impress me in the least. Smash bro's is fun, but doesn't redeem a console. I've owned an NES, Sega Genesis, Sony PS1, PS2, Xbox, and PC's for the last 8 years. I've only gotten a console if it had games I wanted to play. Notice I haven't had a nintendo since the NES.

bahahaha, you must like really awful games
 
Originally posted by: MrChad
Your arguments sound remarkably similar to the ones made when Gamecube was released. "Well, I won't pick a GC over an XBox or a PS2, but it will make a great second console." As a PS2 owner, I bought a GC solely to play my Nintendo favorites (Mario, Zelda, Metroid, etc.) and for no other reason. I imagine many GC owners had similar logic.

Nintendo seems to like the niche market they've carved out for themselves with the GC because they're using the same approach with the Revolution. Keep the hardware cheap to maintain profit margins and rely on 1st-party software sales to push console units. Like the GC, they're not competing head-to-head with Sony and Microsoft. They'll target nostalgic fans and younger kids, and they'll probably make a boatload of money.

Yes you cant really compare this to Sega. Sega tried to come out and compete right with Sony and Microsoft. Nintendo is doing just fine and they prob will do fine for a lot longer. Remember they are still selling the DS which is quite successful
 
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
Originally posted by: Malak
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
you dont like mario, zelda, metroid, smash bros? I see that corporate brainwashing has gotten to you...good luck.

Only a fanboy would say it's brainwashing without considering the fact that someone might not like the games!

I dislike every zelda since NES. I've never been a fan of maria. Metroid didn't impress me in the least. Smash bro's is fun, but doesn't redeem a console. I've owned an NES, Sega Genesis, Sony PS1, PS2, Xbox, and PC's for the last 8 years. I've only gotten a console if it had games I wanted to play. Notice I haven't had a nintendo since the NES.
bahahaha, you must like really awful games
So, everything other than what you listed is "awful"? Who's the "brainwashed" one?
 
Originally posted by: Wingznut
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
Originally posted by: Malak
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
you dont like mario, zelda, metroid, smash bros? I see that corporate brainwashing has gotten to you...good luck.

Only a fanboy would say it's brainwashing without considering the fact that someone might not like the games!

I dislike every zelda since NES. I've never been a fan of maria. Metroid didn't impress me in the least. Smash bro's is fun, but doesn't redeem a console. I've owned an NES, Sega Genesis, Sony PS1, PS2, Xbox, and PC's for the last 8 years. I've only gotten a console if it had games I wanted to play. Notice I haven't had a nintendo since the NES.
bahahaha, you must like really awful games
So, everything other than what you listed is "awful"? Who's the "brainwashed" one?

Exactly my point!
 
Originally posted by: Wingznut
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
Originally posted by: Malak
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
you dont like mario, zelda, metroid, smash bros? I see that corporate brainwashing has gotten to you...good luck.

Only a fanboy would say it's brainwashing without considering the fact that someone might not like the games!

I dislike every zelda since NES. I've never been a fan of maria. Metroid didn't impress me in the least. Smash bro's is fun, but doesn't redeem a console. I've owned an NES, Sega Genesis, Sony PS1, PS2, Xbox, and PC's for the last 8 years. I've only gotten a console if it had games I wanted to play. Notice I haven't had a nintendo since the NES.
bahahaha, you must like really awful games
So, everything other than what you listed is "awful"? Who's the "brainwashed" one?

i'm just saying...what kind of taste does a person have if they dont like mario, metroid or zelda. Thats like if someone told me they dint like office space, snatch, and usual suspects...i'd say they had really ****** taste in movies
 
Originally posted by: Malak
Originally posted by: Wingznut
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
Originally posted by: Malak
Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
you dont like mario, zelda, metroid, smash bros? I see that corporate brainwashing has gotten to you...good luck.

Only a fanboy would say it's brainwashing without considering the fact that someone might not like the games!

I dislike every zelda since NES. I've never been a fan of maria. Metroid didn't impress me in the least. Smash bro's is fun, but doesn't redeem a console. I've owned an NES, Sega Genesis, Sony PS1, PS2, Xbox, and PC's for the last 8 years. I've only gotten a console if it had games I wanted to play. Notice I haven't had a nintendo since the NES.
bahahaha, you must like really awful games
So, everything other than what you listed is "awful"? Who's the "brainwashed" one?

Exactly my point!

I think the difficulty is in understanding how anybody could have your opinions. From your posts, I've gathered that you don't like Half-Life 2, Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Halo 2, or a variety of other games that about most of the gaming population adores.

Let's examine it from my perspective. These games are classics. I'd say if you were to take one at random, about 90% of the people who played them enjoyed them. Extrapolating on this, let's say that, given a random gamer and a random "classic" game, there is a 90% chance of that person enjoying that game. So what's the probability of one person not liking ALL of them.

Well, there are over 5 Mario games.
There are over 5 Zelda games.
I know you don't like Halo 2 (neither do I, actually).
There are at least 3 Metroid games.
I'm not sure how you feel about Half-Life, but I KNOW you don't like Half-Life 2.

That's a total of roughly 15 "classic" games.

.1 ^ 15 = 0.000000000000001

That's 1 in a quadrillion. Statistically, somebody like you should not exist. But here you are posting. The possible conclusions:

1) You're brainwashed.
2) You're a troll.
3) God created you in case humanity ever has to deal with the shock of encountering extra terrestrials.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and go with 3.
 
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