cmdrdredd
Lifer
They are also absent from the lineup. remakes do not count. You can believe that they will release on the WiiU but uh...yeah I doubt it.
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They are also absent from the lineup. remakes do not count. You can believe that they will release on the WiiU but uh...yeah I doubt it.
preslove
Lifer
What lineup are you talking about? No NX lineup has been released.
Zelda twilight princess released on gamecube and wii u. Pretty much everyone thinks the same is going to happen with the wii u zelda. Given that starfox got delayed almost as much as zelda, it's not too far fetched to believe they'll do the same with it.
Nor do they currently have new installments on the Wii U
Star Fox Zero is out next month, I think they said for Nintendo Direct. It's not a straight-up remake of 64, they said its plot and levels are all-new, but that it takes a lot of elements from the N64 version.
cmdrdredd
Lifer
Lol well that's no better than what they do with CoD every year to me.
I guess it's nice that it is relatively easy to port over to the Nintendo system stuff like Assassin's Creed, but I mean, they're pretty much subcontracting it all out to AMD anyways like MS and Sony.
I actually think the Wii U makes sense for them. What matters for games isn't even like the pixel fill rate or VRAM or whatever, because with artful direction you can do fine with lower rez textures and no one will be able to tell the difference. All that matters really is DX11 features.
I actually think the Wii U makes sense for them. What matters for games isn't even like the pixel fill rate or VRAM or whatever, because with artful direction you can do fine with lower rez textures and no one will be able to tell the difference. All that matters really is DX11 features.
What do you mean? Basically, all they're saying is being reused is the characters, if the story and setting are different, along with the gameplay methods (since the tablet is in-play and a means of co-op).
I don't see people dropping $60 full price for the weaksauce version of 3rd party games. If a PS4 handles a game at 1080p and an XBone does at some 900p this system might handle even less than either? This strategy would have worked if done around the WiiU's launch. It's too late now, most people already picked their system. Devs don't even bother releasing sports games on Nintendo platforms anymore. Why bother?
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Red Hawk
Diamond Member
Actually, from watching the recent Nintendo Direct, it's apparent they are using the same story and setting. Start on Corneria. Progress through various levels until you finally reach Venom. Beat Andross. Replay the game and take another path.
And that's disappointing. It's not a straight remake of Star Fox 64 in the same sense that Star Fox 64 3D was -- it will still have new mechanics, new levels, etc. But it's not some new chapter in the Star Fox saga for fans to experience, the story is just going in circles.
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zerocool84
Lifer
Fortunes can change quickly if they do everything right. Last generation Xbox was king and they f'd up and let Sony take over this generation so if they play their cards right they of course could be back on top.
Do I think that's going to happen? No because they still seem to be stuck in the 90's but anything can happen in the video game world. They still have the most recognizable gaming lineup in the world which always helps.
thehotsung8701A
Senior member
Anyone that think Nintendo are a true gaming company need their head check. Nintendo is all about gimmick instead of the true game experience. Sure they were some of the first but so was Sega and still to this day produce "games" not "gimmick".
The NX or whatever it call should be more powerful than the PS4 and X1.
The NX or whatever it call should be more powerful than the PS4 and X1.
ImpulsE69
Lifer
I disagree. Nintendo has ALWAYS had gimmicks and tried outside the box things. They may not have always been successes, but it is obvious some of their things over time have been copied and set the standard.
The problem is their resistance to adapt in a faster changing climate. They need to be quicker on game releases, and stop with the remake after remake. I mean they are re-releasing Twilight Princess on a 3rd platform and it isn't even considered one of the better games.
MentalIlness
Platinum Member
I myself would like to have a new F-Zero game. The one on the Gamecube was great. It would look awesome in HD. I dont care if it would be the NX...or the Wii U. It would prompt me to buy the console quickly.
thehotsung8701A
Senior member
I think the problem is other than Nintendo having too many kids title is even as a kid, I never really care about any of the game except with a few like Harvest Moon, Pikmin, that one war game, Pokemon, Metroid and maybe a few others.
I had almost zero interest in any Mario, Luigi, Yoshi, Peach, Kart, Melee Smash, Zelda type game. Always been more a fan of games like Bandicoot, Spyro, Jax and Dexter, Ratchet & Clank, etc...
Red Hawk
Diamond Member
I've played enough recent Nintendo games to know they still have the magic. The Fire Emblem games, Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds, Super Smash Bros Wii U/3DS, the Pokemon games, etc. They just need a better home console platform than the Wii U to draw players, and developers, in.
You might call it gimmicks, but in their drive to innovate on the hardware side, Nintendo has given us:
--The D-pad. (NES)
--Battery backed up cartridges, enabling save games on consoles (Legend of Zelda on NES)
--Shoulder buttons (SNES)
--Analog thumb sticks (N64)
--Wireless controllers (Wavebird for Gamecube)
--Touch screen controls (the DS got to it years before Apple did. And no, the Tiger Game.com does invalidate Nintendo actually pushing the technology)
--Glasses-free 3D (As a 3DS user I will defend this as awesome in games that use it well, such as Super Mario 3D Land or Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds. And the New 3DS' face tracking technology addressed the issue many people had with having to be perfectly positioned.)
That's just off the top of my head, I'm sure I could find more if I dug deeper. The modern game experience would be a very different thing if it wasn't for Nintendo constantly looking for new ways to play games. Sure, they've had some misfires. The Virtual Boy. The Nintendo 64's weird three-grip controller. The Wii U. But those misfires do not mean that Nintendo should stop looking for the next big innovation in gaming.
And you really shouldn't be suggesting that other people should be getting their heads checked.
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thehotsung8701A
Senior member
I'm not taking back anything I said though I do agree with what you wrote. Nintendo to me is like Ford, they were once great but now they are 3rd string just like how the Japanese auto market completely dominated Ford for a long time now.
reallyscrued
Platinum Member
No, I don't drink. I just think you're a moron.
cmdrdredd
Lifer
They don't even use he console platform they have which is the problem. Their focus is always on the 3ds which kind of gives off an "I don't care" attitude to me.
That game was great, amazing. I just play it at 4k through emulation. It still holds up.
The gamecube on the whole was an amazing console. I liked it better than Xbox or PS2. But with the Wii they threw in the towel on competing and went with gimmick. While it was successful it was like the whole company took a huge nap and raked in the dough.
Now they are like deer stuck in headlights. they don't even know where to begin to keep up with real gaming instead of making minigames for moving wands. I think they've lost it forever. I hope I'm wrong. Nothing they've said indicates they even have a clue on how to get back on track. I just hear gimmick gimmick more gimmick.
Also the sum total of everything said in this thread is that I should probably go and get myself a 3ds and leave that as my only commitment to Nintendo. Since that's all they seem to be committed to.
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thehotsung8701A
Senior member
I am often though lol.
...I didn't quote you there, which I kind of feel like corroborates your statement, haha.
thehotsung8701A
Senior member
Yeah but just so you know for future reference :thumbsup:
Though I would assume you probably knew base on some of the threads I made 😀
reallyscrued
Platinum Member
I'm a moron because...?
The 3DS is getting a little old. It released in Japan a little over 5 years ago, with modest chips and a screen that was low res even at the time. Mobile tech has progressed massively since 2011, so I'm looking forward to Nintendo's next mobile device. Nintendo is the only major player still making mobile consoles, so whatever the 3DS' successor is, will likely do very well unless the ball is just completely dropped by a string of silly mistakes.
Nintendo has produced some weaker living room console hardware recently, but I think that diminishing returns on GPU/CPU performance will start to work in their favor, starting with the NX. In my opinion the difference in visual quality comparing an Xbox One game to a PS4, is minimal, despite a 50% more powerful GPU. Most gamers can't tell the difference between 900p and 1080p, sitting on their couch.... There's big diminishing returns once you reach certain texture resolutions, and levels of AA, and so on.
With the hardware disadvantage a less significant factor, I think that Nintendo's strengths will shine through a bit better. They still have some really great first party studios, and they have fun ideas. As much as the Wii U's hardware is lacking, the Gamepad actually functions pretty well, with very low latency, for example. Compare Nintendo's first party studios vs how much MS has struggled in this area, and it seems clear to me that they have the potential to be very competitive.
Anyway, I think this is where Nintendo catches up.... and from the NX forward, the disadvantages of a Nintendo console will be minimized, while the advantages will still be there.
Nintendo has produced some weaker living room console hardware recently, but I think that diminishing returns on GPU/CPU performance will start to work in their favor, starting with the NX. In my opinion the difference in visual quality comparing an Xbox One game to a PS4, is minimal, despite a 50% more powerful GPU. Most gamers can't tell the difference between 900p and 1080p, sitting on their couch.... There's big diminishing returns once you reach certain texture resolutions, and levels of AA, and so on.
With the hardware disadvantage a less significant factor, I think that Nintendo's strengths will shine through a bit better. They still have some really great first party studios, and they have fun ideas. As much as the Wii U's hardware is lacking, the Gamepad actually functions pretty well, with very low latency, for example. Compare Nintendo's first party studios vs how much MS has struggled in this area, and it seems clear to me that they have the potential to be very competitive.
Anyway, I think this is where Nintendo catches up.... and from the NX forward, the disadvantages of a Nintendo console will be minimized, while the advantages will still be there.
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