Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
I'm not really following your hypocrite angle. Aside from Mario Galaxy have we seen Nintendo put in a full fledged effort into a full game on the Wii? A ported Zelda? Metroid isn't even being done by Nintendo themselves anymore, and even then we haven't seen it evolve too much beyond what we got back in 2002. Pretty much the same thing with Smash Bros. Mario Kart is, to many people, a de-evolution of the series. Even then, we still end up waiting years for these games. Instead we get mini-games (oddly enough though, only one real Wii Mario Party so far, although they did have Warioware) and other crap that ends up costing more than regular games.
Like I said before, things take time and they aren't the one to say anything until things are just about finished to give a glimpse or release that it does exist. The hypocritical part I am refering to comes from peoples expectations, after taking note from reading both the PC gaming forum and this one.
When it comes to releases, we expect it to come out soon or show as such, but when developers do meet their timeline at the cost of a possible unpolished product we blame the developers for not giving the additional time to polish it up. Thats what happens when a company says they will release the game at X date and pretty much after that the expectations follow. Damned if they do make it with a possible unpolished product and damned if they dont making players wait.
Ported Zelda... That project from my perspective seemed to be almost to completion by the time their new system is coming into light. Wouldn't you release your new game system with a good game? It would be silly not to, even if it is a mirrored gamecube port. Would you rather have them just release the gamecube version of the game and come 3 months down the line, a completely brand new system with one less to its library? What if one doesn't own a gamecube before, do I have to automatically purchase a controller and the game if I want to play that Zelda? Most people will probably ignore it if it is not in the Wii spotlight (And I am not refering to the people in these gaming forums, but other consumers).
Nintendo probably doesn't want to follow that suit, but instead only give word if their projects are say in 85% completion status.
And from what you said about other companies developing their IPs such as Metroid, it sums my point that their development teams are small that they can't work simultaneously on everything at once. Third party teams may work on it with direction from Nintendo and that is how they try to divide and conquer. But then again, things take time and goes back to what I said about announcing things - which is what E3 is about.
As for hardware changes by other companies, the thing is, none of them really change the game experience. You don't gain anything by getting HDMI on the 360. It'd be just plain stupid to complain about Microsoft doing die-shrinks and making the system more reliable, and yet even then people complained about that (and again it really offers nothing in the way of changing gameplay on the system). The DualShock 3 only added rumble (which many people feel is no big deal anymore anyways). The only other thing Sony did was drop the price and remove features (again, people bitched about it quite a bit and it didn't effect gameplay). Microsoft is almost as bad as Nintendo about peripherals ($100 wifi adapter?).
If anyone is a hypocrite it would be Nintendo. They criticized Sony and Microsoft for making their systems too expensive, then nickel and dime us to death with a bunch of add-ons, essentially making a Gamecube cost $250 (I consider a paltry amount of flash memory, bluetooth, and wifi to be pretty marginal improvements myself, certainly not worth $150).
That's the problem if you tend to look at gaming from a pure technical standpoint. Am I getting my money's worth? From just that, probably not. In fact, would you rather have it that Nintendo too joined the fray in selling their systems under cost as well? From a company perspective, maybe or maybe not, but their decision stands. Kind of how Apple touts their systems to be a bit more expensive than the PC platforms.
Nickel and diming exists on ALL platforms and you just listed an example with that WiFi adapter. Xbox Live and Sony with their downloadable content to add to your fun is probably the biggest one. I still feel uneasy about just paying for soft content and still rather have a physical medium. Both have their share of accessories that didn't come with the systems that one can optionally get like Nintendo. Your statement assumes that when I pay the price of getting a PS3 or X360 I wouldn't need anything else. Maybe true, but I am sure most people will add one or two additional accessories to their cart to increase that total.
They acted like all you get with the competition is sequels and no innovation, yet beyond the controller we've really not gotten that from Nintendo either (in fact I'd say the opposite).
This is lack of innovation from one aspect. Are they wrong? What if they never came out with the Wii and you watched the market go on?
Gameplay experience? What about Rock Band and Gutiar Hero? DDR Pads? Racing Wheels of before? Some of those peripherals are only used with just one game. And Nintendo gets the flack from forum and blog posters for releasing their own peripherals instead of third parties adding to that of which can be applied to multitudes of games if developers use it?
Like I posted in the thread refering to the Motion Plus, it is not necessary to have but the additional sensor to gather data from will help out developers should they choose to use it. It is also mentioned in there that it possibly gives the game the ability to be spatially aware. I will also reiterate that they didn't include the additional accelerometer in the original Wiimote design due to one or maybe all three of the factors: cost, dimensions, battery life. Having it optional is possibly the only way they have to go.
1:1 movement is a statement you can take however you want. It may just be 1:1 movement of your position of the hand for all I can see. Any input will have a lag and adds to that so called 1:1 movement.
This kind of mentality I feel maybe the same kind of mentality perpetuating amongst third party developers. That Nintendo just doesn't cut it out for them for some of these feelings or opinions implicitly stated in my post. And I wish that people will stop having that gimme attitude and accept that good things come with due time. Good software development isn't something that can be done just like that.
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