NINJA

[jimmyj68]

Just been chasing some threads and reviews on the new Scythe Ninja SCNJ-1000 fanless CPU cooler. It looks great, performs great and allows the addition of a 120 fan if you are overclocking or running a high end CPU.

I haven't seen any mention of any Scythe products on this forum - has anyone looked into this new Ninja Cooler. I'm really tempted to replace my old standby Zalman 1000 that has to run at top speed to keep my 3.2 Prescott reigned in heatwise.

 

[Bona Fide]

I'm actually more interested in the new Vapochill Micro. It's only $40 and it works just like their bigger Vapochill phase-change thing.

 

[Greenman]

Originally posted by: Bona Fide
I'm actually more interested in the new Vapochill Micro. It's only $40 and it works just like their bigger Vapochill phase-change thing.

Looks like heat pipes to me. Hope it works well.

 

[jimmyj68]

I'm not a fan of overclocking so Vapochill is way out of the question for me. You would go to all that trouble just to make a CPU operate beyond the design parameters? If you were attempting intense mathematical research requiring tremendous CPU speed and power - wouldn't you buy a CPU designed for such work and runing at the speed appropriate for that research? Would you get that much performance improvement from any of the contemprorary computer games? Or is it like souping up aircraft and auto engines to maximize speed and power?

 

[phaxmohdem]

As the overclock goes up so goes the e-penis.

 

[Mrvile]

Originally posted by: jimmyj68
I'm not a fan of overclocking so Vapochill is way out of the question for me. You would go to all that trouble just to make a CPU operate beyond the design parameters? If you were attempting intense mathematical research requiring tremendous CPU speed and power - wouldn't you buy a CPU designed for such work and runing at the speed appropriate for that research? Would you get that much performance improvement from any of the contemprorary computer games? Or is it like souping up aircraft and auto engines to maximize speed and power?

So this thread has become a "let's flame overclockers" thread?

 

[jimmyj68]

Well, that is a first for me---I didn't know I could "flame!" If that is what it appears - please forgive me. I was trying to express my lack of understanding (or my inability to appreciate the satisfaction that one gets from overcoming the limits off a device.

"Flame?" I don't think so - but my apologies anyway.

 

[Bona Fide]

Originally posted by: jimmyj68
Well, that is a first for me---I didn't know I could "flame!" If that is what it appears - please forgive me. I was trying to express my lack of understanding (or my inability to appreciate the satisfaction that one gets from overcoming the limits off a device.

"Flame?" I don't think so - but my apologies anyway.

Overclocking is about getting the most performance for your money. Maximum output with minimal input. More commonly known as peak efficiency.

No one WANTS to pay for an FX-57. So watch this:

Athlon 64 FX-57 - $1109 (retail box)

Or you could overclock a 3700+ San Diego with some nice cooling.

Athlon 64 3700+ - $323 (retail box)
Vapochill Micro - $40 (retail)

The 3700+ will easily overclock to 2.8ghz with that cooler.

FX-57 = $1109
3700+ = $363

Total savings : $746
Total performance loss : <2%

And that is why we overclock. Because we're cheap.

Don't deny it guys...

 

[Greenman]

The "Vapo chill" Bona Fide is talking about is a $40 HSF.
And he's right about why we overclock.
btw, the Ninja HSF you mentioned looks like it might be a winner. Huge though.

 

[linjy2]

overclocking is cool and all, done it on all my pcs, but heat is another issue when you overclock, vcore goes up, heat goes up, etc. while if you buy a higher priced cpu, you dont have to overclock and less heat is generated. but then again you are probably out more $$.

anyways, i'm building my first silent pc and plan on getting the ninja to pair with my 3200 venice in a p180 case with a very mild overclock because i want to keep the vcore at stock voltage. currently running stock amd cooler on this build.

the ninja seems to be sold out at all online retailers except performance pc, although SVC seems to be cheaper but out of stock. i am still deciding if i should buy now or wait till svc to come back in stock and purchase. currently waiting for an email reply, thats a $10 saving for me, but who knows when they will get shipment. Newegg eta is 9-1-2005.

 

[Bona Fide]

Go for a Thermalright XP-120 and a Panaflo Low-Speed Fan.

 

[pelikan]

I just bought a Ninja to replace my XP-120. I've been happy with the XP-120 for the past year or so. But there are new, better coolers now. Although the XP-120 performs well with a quiet fan, its a pain to install and isn't compatible with many motherboards.

The Ninja performs better than the XP-120. Its easy to install. I like the way you can have the Ninja's fan blow toward your rear exhaust.

 

[linjy2]

Originally posted by: Bona Fide
Go for a Thermalright XP-120 and a Panaflo Low-Speed Fan.

low speed fan is still rated at 27db, i'm done with loud pc, or still quiet compare to some of you guys running 35-40 db fans. my last pc was around 25db with x4 80mm l1a full time and 2 coolermaster rifles for gaming.

ninja heatsink along with my p180 should drop me into <20db territory. true silient pc computing.

 

[Davegod]

Originally posted by: jimmyj68
I'm not a fan of overclocking so Vapochill is way out of the question for me. You would go to all that trouble just to make a CPU operate beyond the design parameters? If you were attempting intense mathematical research requiring tremendous CPU speed and power - wouldn't you buy a CPU designed for such work and runing at the speed appropriate for that research? Would you get that much performance improvement from any of the contemprorary computer games? Or is it like souping up aircraft and auto engines to maximize speed and power?

ok i'll bite.

I'm interested in the micro because a performance cooler combined with a quality low rpm fan can be very quiet yet very reliable even over a long period of 100% utilisation (i.e. gaming).

With regard to "why overclock", the answer is easy: more performance for equal or less cost, or alternately (as with the case of extremely overclockers using phase-change coolers) that there simply isnt a cpu available with that sort of speed. The next question, when put to an enthusiast who accepts the risks, is less easily satisfied: why not?

 

[Jhhnn]

Yeh, the ninja is suppposedly top dog at the moment. I like the fact that it has widely spaced clog-resistant fins, and that it can easily be semi-ducted to the case and/or psu exhaust fan. Getting double duty from 1 fan helps keep the noise level down...

 

[suszterpatt]

Do they provide support beams to keep it from ripping apart your mobo?

 

[Lazien]

Overclocking is about getting the most performance for your money. Maximum output with minimal input. More commonly known as peak efficiency.

No one WANTS to pay for an FX-57. So watch this:

Athlon 64 FX-57 - $1109 (retail box)

Or you could overclock a 3700+ San Diego with some nice cooling.

Athlon 64 3700+ - $323 (retail box)
Vapochill Micro - $40 (retail)

The 3700+ will easily overclock to 2.8ghz with that cooler.

FX-57 = $1109
3700+ = $363

Total savings : $746
Total performance loss : <2%

And that is why we overclock. Because we're cheap.

Don't deny it guys...[/quote]

If the FX-57 was out when I built this pc I would have bought it and yet I still want to overclock not because I'm cheap but because I just like having the fastest and bestest pc out there. So cheap? NOPE sick speed freak? HELL YEA

 

[linjy2]

Originally posted by: suszterpatt
Do they provide support beams to keep it from ripping apart your mobo?

it weighs less than a zalman 7700 if thats what you mean,

 

[ericlala]

isn't the ninja kinda like a giant version of the xp-90? i mean damn... 120mm fan.. on the side!

 

[linjy2]

xp-120 is giant version of xp-90.
the 120mm fan is only optional on the ninja, its not even included.

 

[jimmyj68]

After a while of thought and listening to you and others - I've decided that maybe I'm just chicken to risk a CPU - but everybody is doing it and I don't hear of a lot of trashed CPU's, so maybe I should give it a thought. I've been using Intel mobos because of stability (and inability to overclock except maybe 4 pecent on my P865PERL). I've been fighting heat on my prescott and can't imagine having a board capable of overclocking and trying to keep the 3.2 prescott cool.

Another conclusion I've reached, is that overclock capable boards are really fiddily and finicky. I throw a system together on the intel board and it works out of the box. I read horror stories of problems folks have getting their system up and running with some of the high overclock capable boards. Am I right?

 

[Bona Fide]

Somewhat. The only person that could not put together a DFI-based system is someone with NO computer experience whatsoever. You can manually adjust everything from the BIOS, true, but that's a godsend, not a hindrance. If you don't want to get into overclocking out of the box, just set everything to Auto until you're ready. DFI construction is among the best, and their tech support is wonderful as well.

Btw...I feel for ya on the Prescott issue. Those things make nice BBQ's from what I hear

 

[Lazien]

I don't think You can beat it for the price.