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Sid59

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Originally posted by: ThePresence
I'm not saying that the Giants deserved to win, I agree they deserved to lose. But they weren't beat by a better team, they beat themselves.


They held it together longer than the Giants. Whether that makes them the better team is up to the purists. We can all disagree for pages on what makes the better team.
 

Dudd

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Originally posted by: DaveSohmer
The Giants and Browns proved once again that prevent defenses do nothing except prevent your own team from winning.
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Wisest words said in this thread. The Giants didn't try to put any pressure on Garcia, they were content to let Sehorn simply drop in coverage and watch Owens catch the damn ball every time. How long before the Giants cut him and Angie Harmon leaves him? After that ACL injury, he's never been close to the player he was. I doubt he can cover his own shadow now.
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: Dudd
Originally posted by: DaveSohmer
The Giants and Browns proved once again that prevent defenses do nothing except prevent your own team from winning.
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Wisest words said in this thread. The Giants didn't try to put any pressure on Garcia, they were content to let Sehorn simply drop in coverage and watch Owens catch the damn ball every time. How long before the Giants cut him and Angie Harmon leaves him? After that ACL injury, he's never been close to the player he was. I doubt he can cover his own shadow now.

Yeah, it's a damn shame. He was one of the best corners in the league before the injury.
 

jjones

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Originally posted by: DaveSohmer
The Giants and Browns proved once again that prevent defenses do nothing except prevent your own team from winning.
Yeah, no kidding. I caught all of the Browns game and I swear the fourth quarter I thought I was watching an old L. A. Raiders game when they frequently choked on offense and played prevent defense and lost the lead and the game in the last quarter. I didn't catch much of the Giants 49ers but I assume it was the same.

I wanted the Browns to win today so they could play the Raiders and the Jets would go face the Titans; plus I hate the Steelers. Oh well, the Raiders will have to earn their pay next week against the Jets instead of a practice game against the Browns.

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: ThePresence
I'm a huge Giants fan. The Giants SUCK. They stunk up the field so bad, I could smell it in NY. :| Shockey will be a huge star and Fassell aint going anywhere. Niners suck too, the Giants HANDED them this game. :| They weren't beat by a better team, they beat themselves.
No they were beaten by a team that possesed more heart than they had.

More HEART?!?!?! After the way the Giants finished the season and made the playoffs the Niners have MORE HEART?! Come on! The Giants beat themselves, they gave the freaking game away. They choked, plain and simple. But they weren't beaten, they beat themselves. How many times does a team give up two 2 point conversions in a row?!?! And they weren't great plays. The Giants D just folded.

Typical Whiney New York Fan
 

rh71

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I was at a restaurant last night while the 4th quarter was going on. The satellite feed they had there was succumb to rain fade and we barely made out the picture going into the last 5 minutes. I saw the missed FG attempt that would've had the Giants up by 8... and then the feed was gone. I later walked out to hit wireless web on my phone... 39-38 NINERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I LOVE IT !!!!!!!!

<-- Niner fan in NY.
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: ThePresence
I'm a huge Giants fan. The Giants SUCK. They stunk up the field so bad, I could smell it in NY. :| Shockey will be a huge star and Fassell aint going anywhere. Niners suck too, the Giants HANDED them this game. :| They weren't beat by a better team, they beat themselves.
No they were beaten by a team that possesed more heart than they had.

More HEART?!?!?! After the way the Giants finished the season and made the playoffs the Niners have MORE HEART?! Come on! The Giants beat themselves, they gave the freaking game away. They choked, plain and simple. But they weren't beaten, they beat themselves. How many times does a team give up two 2 point conversions in a row?!?! And they weren't great plays. The Giants D just folded.

Typical Whiney New York Fan

Nah, a typical whiney NY fan would say that the Giants got cheated. They really should have won, but the refs stole it on that questionable touchdown call. And they are saying it, tune it to WFAN in NY.
 

Spooner

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NINERS are so Nasty!!!!!!!!!!!

they came back being down 38-14 with about 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. That's INSANE!!!! Purely insane. I really want to see them stick to more of the no-huddle offense. It completely flattened the Giants. All they could play was prevent because Garcia hardly gave them a chance to reset themselves.

Shockey missing the touchdown catch in the back of the end zone was what gave the game back to the Niners. I love that that happened. That guy's going to get a lot of penalties in his career. He was caught throwing ice at the crowd?!?!?! What a friggin loser! Lots of talent, but lots of attitude problems.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: ThePresence
I'm a huge Giants fan. The Giants SUCK. They stunk up the field so bad, I could smell it in NY. :| Shockey will be a huge star and Fassell aint going anywhere. Niners suck too, the Giants HANDED them this game. :| They weren't beat by a better team, they beat themselves.
No they were beaten by a team that possesed more heart than they had.

More HEART?!?!?! After the way the Giants finished the season and made the playoffs the Niners have MORE HEART?! Come on! The Giants beat themselves, they gave the freaking game away. They choked, plain and simple. But they weren't beaten, they beat themselves. How many times does a team give up two 2 point conversions in a row?!?! And they weren't great plays. The Giants D just folded.

Typical Whiney New York Fan

Nah, a typical whiney NY fan would say that the Giants got cheated. They really should have won, but the refs stole it on that questionable touchdown call. And they are saying it, tune it to WFAN in NY.
There was no questionable TD call. Face it, the Niners are a better team and have much more heart than the roll up and die Giants and their sniveling fans!;)
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Spooner
NINERS are so Nasty!!!!!!!!!!!

they came back being down 38-14 with about 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter. That's INSANE!!!! Purely insane. I really want to see them stick to more of the no-huddle offense. It completely flattened the Giants. All they could play was prevent because Garcia hardly gave them a chance to reset themselves.

Shockey missing the touchdown catch in the back of the end zone was what gave the game back to the Niners. I love that that happened. That guy's going to get a lot of penalties in his career. He was caught throwing ice at the crowd?!?!?! What a friggin loser! Lots of talent, but lots of attitude problems.
Is Shockley the only NFL Player to come out of the closet and pronounce his Homosexuality?
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: ThePresence
I'm a huge Giants fan. The Giants SUCK. They stunk up the field so bad, I could smell it in NY. :| Shockey will be a huge star and Fassell aint going anywhere. Niners suck too, the Giants HANDED them this game. :| They weren't beat by a better team, they beat themselves.
No they were beaten by a team that possesed more heart than they had.

More HEART?!?!?! After the way the Giants finished the season and made the playoffs the Niners have MORE HEART?! Come on! The Giants beat themselves, they gave the freaking game away. They choked, plain and simple. But they weren't beaten, they beat themselves. How many times does a team give up two 2 point conversions in a row?!?! And they weren't great plays. The Giants D just folded.

Typical Whiney New York Fan

Nah, a typical whiney NY fan would say that the Giants got cheated. They really should have won, but the refs stole it on that questionable touchdown call. And they are saying it, tune it to WFAN in NY.
There was no questionable TD call. Face it, the Niners are a better team and have much more heart than the roll up and die Giants and their sniveling fans!;)

I agree there wasnt a questionable call, but anyone who knows a little football will tell you that the Giants are the better team, and they should've won. They were not beat by a better team. Waddever, it's all moot. They lost.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: ThePresence
I'm a huge Giants fan. The Giants SUCK. They stunk up the field so bad, I could smell it in NY. :| Shockey will be a huge star and Fassell aint going anywhere. Niners suck too, the Giants HANDED them this game. :| They weren't beat by a better team, they beat themselves.
No they were beaten by a team that possesed more heart than they had.

More HEART?!?!?! After the way the Giants finished the season and made the playoffs the Niners have MORE HEART?! Come on! The Giants beat themselves, they gave the freaking game away. They choked, plain and simple. But they weren't beaten, they beat themselves. How many times does a team give up two 2 point conversions in a row?!?! And they weren't great plays. The Giants D just folded.

Typical Whiney New York Fan

Nah, a typical whiney NY fan would say that the Giants got cheated. They really should have won, but the refs stole it on that questionable touchdown call. And they are saying it, tune it to WFAN in NY.
There was no questionable TD call. Face it, the Niners are a better team and have much more heart than the roll up and die Giants and their sniveling fans!;)

I agree there wasnt a questionable call, but anyone who knows a little football will tell you that the Giants are the better team, and they should've won. They were not beat by a better team. Waddever, it's all moot. They lost.
So says you and I don't consider you an expert! Niners are the better team as the final score indicates.
 

Spooner

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I fully disagree with you, thepresece

Football is all about momentum. It's hard to argue against that. That's why the Giants / Jets / Titans are all being revered as being great right now. They have/had what was important, momentum. They were winning going into the playoffs. Momentum.

Speaking specifically of the Giants, they had momentum going into the playoffs and they had momentum for the whole first half of the game. The fact that the Niners still perservered and overcame that momentum and came away with the win, proves they are the better team. You can say "giants beat themselves" or whatever, but it's just plain retarded to say they are a better team. Losing a 38-14 lead in the third quarter disolves you of being a playoff caliber team.
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: Spooner
I fully disagree with you, thepresece

Football is all about momentum. It's hard to argue against that. That's why the Giants / Jets / Titans are all being revered as being great right now. They have/had what was important, momentum. They were winning going into the playoffs. Momentum.

Speaking specifically of the Giants, they had momentum going into the playoffs and they had momentum for the whole first half of the game. The fact that the Niners still perservered and overcame that momentum and came away with the win, proves they are the better team. You can say "giants beat themselves" or whatever, but it's just plain retarded to say they are a better team. Losing a 38-14 lead in the third quarter disolves you of being a playoff caliber team.

Sure, momentum counts for a lot in Football, but talent counts for more. Position by position the Giants outclass the Niners. Easy. Besides for QB and one certain WR, the Giants own the niners talentwise. But this is a dumb argument. The Giants lost, the Niners won.
 

Beau

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I missed the game :( But I did a very embarrassing happy dance in the middle of a packed theater last night when I got my little MSN Sport alert on my cell phone :D
 

Red Dawn

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Position by position the Giants outclass the Niners
Especially Center for long Snaps
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BTW, this is the second time this year the Niners beat the Giants..and you tell me the Giants are a better team?? Ahahaha
 

Sid59

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Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Spooner
I fully disagree with you, thepresece

Football is all about momentum. It's hard to argue against that. That's why the Giants / Jets / Titans are all being revered as being great right now. They have/had what was important, momentum. They were winning going into the playoffs. Momentum.

Speaking specifically of the Giants, they had momentum going into the playoffs and they had momentum for the whole first half of the game. The fact that the Niners still perservered and overcame that momentum and came away with the win, proves they are the better team. You can say "giants beat themselves" or whatever, but it's just plain retarded to say they are a better team. Losing a 38-14 lead in the third quarter disolves you of being a playoff caliber team.

Sure, momentum counts for a lot in Football, but talent counts for more. Position by position the Giants outclass the Niners. Easy. Besides for QB and one certain WR, the Giants own the niners talentwise. But this is a dumb argument. The Giants lost, the Niners won.



You can't say a team is better because position per position a team has better talent. That's insane and prolly true for pickup games in high school, where there is no DEFENSIVE Coordinator, Head coach or any sort coach. These guys are coached by someone and 2 people make the decision of what defense to play, Head and defensive coach. The defense is reflection upon the Defensive and Head coach. So, the two coaches for the Giants choked and didn't know how to contain a no huddle offense.

Yes the niners won but you are arguing whether the Giants are the better team. I say not. By your convention, last weeks game between the Giants and Eagles. I hardly call Barber's three fumbles an act of a great player. Eagles folded and Giants are the better team. Did they deserve to win and be called the better team because they took CONTROL of the game and played with a cool head?

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Stop making excuses for special circumstances.
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: Sid59
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Spooner
I fully disagree with you, thepresece

Football is all about momentum. It's hard to argue against that. That's why the Giants / Jets / Titans are all being revered as being great right now. They have/had what was important, momentum. They were winning going into the playoffs. Momentum.

Speaking specifically of the Giants, they had momentum going into the playoffs and they had momentum for the whole first half of the game. The fact that the Niners still perservered and overcame that momentum and came away with the win, proves they are the better team. You can say "giants beat themselves" or whatever, but it's just plain retarded to say they are a better team. Losing a 38-14 lead in the third quarter disolves you of being a playoff caliber team.

Sure, momentum counts for a lot in Football, but talent counts for more. Position by position the Giants outclass the Niners. Easy. Besides for QB and one certain WR, the Giants own the niners talentwise. But this is a dumb argument. The Giants lost, the Niners won.



You can't say a team is better because position per position a team has better talent. That's insane and prolly true for pickup games in high school, where there is no DEFENSIVE Coordinator, Head coach or any sort coach. These guys are coached by someone and 2 people make the decision of what defense to play, Head and defensive coach. The defense is reflection upon the Defensive and Head coach. So, the two coaches for the Giants choked and didn't know how to contain a no huddle offense.

Yes the niners won but you are arguing whether the Giants are the better team. I say not. By your convention, last weeks game between the Giants and Eagles. I hardly call Barber's three fumbles an act of a great player. Eagles folded and Giants are the better team. Did they deserve to win and be called the better team because they took CONTROL of the game and played with a cool head?

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Stop making excuses for special circumstances.

Giants are NOT a better team than the Eagles just because they beat them. That's crazy. The better team does not always win. I'm not making excuses for the Giants, I think they sucked so bad on Sunday, and they deserved to get beaten the way they played.
 

calbear2000

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What an unbelievable game.

This is up there with other great Niner playoff games: The Catch against the Cowboys, Young to Owens with 3 seconds left against the Packers (in 97?), Montana to Taylor in the Super Bowl against the Bengals

Niners!

 

rh71

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Originally posted by: Beau
I missed the game :( But I did a very embarrassing happy dance in the middle of a packed theater last night when I got my little MSN Sport alert on my cell phone :D
You *#@&^$!! That was your cell phone ?!?! I swear...

uhh... what movie was it? ;)
 

waggy

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ha i turned off the game during the 3rd querter. heh oops.

those saying that the giants are a better team are wrong. there is a saying "the better team on gameday wins" or something to that effect.

it does not matter if they were a better team. the fact is the niners were a better team then them on that day and that is all that matters.