Nine year old black girl is bullied with racist taunts from classmates, hangs herself.

[Pipeline 1010]

2) The vast majority of liberals do not want gun rights taken from innocent people. This right wing straw man that they do is really no different than being just like your cousin. What liberals want is to do more to take away guns from criminals and (most greviously to the far right) tone down the rhetoric of the paranoid far right 'gun culture' that is the source of most of these mass shootings.

It is my understanding that the majority (60-70%) of liberals would like ownership of "assault rifles" to be made illegal. Such a law would instantly force tens of millions of people to make a no-win choice: (a) give up something that you would never hurt anyone with, which has monetary, utility, recreational, self-defense, or sentimental value (b) Become a felon and go to prison where you will get ass-raped and assaulted, and even when you get out you don't get to have a good job ever again, and by the way you probably developed drug habits in prison and learned how to be violent so now you're gonna be all violent and shit all over society.

Forcing that kind of choice on tens of millions of people BETTER have a good payoff. It fucking better. But assault rifles account for maybe 150 deaths per year. And almost all of those would happen anyhow because an alternative weapon would be chosen if all assault weapons magically became unavailable to murderers. So we're gonna shit all over society in order to gain exactly what? I have yet to hear a scientific estimate of the potential benefit.

This isn't paranoid gun culture, it is a logical examination of the costs vs the benefits. There are better alternatives such as ending the war on drugs and more money to research/treat mental health.

 

[TheVrolok]

I can't speak for conservatives, but I can speak for myself:
(1) End the war on drugs and treat drug addiction as a medical issue instead of a "prison-rape the addiction out" issue. Estimates vary, but gun murders related to the lucrative and violent black market of the drug trade make up a significant percentage of gun murders. None of which would happen without this black market.
(2) Gun licenses. Similar to a driver license...you must hold a current gun license in order to purchase a gun. The devil is in the details, but there could be such things as criminal background checks, mental health checks, or other qualifications. Once you have a license, it is good for a specified amount of time just like a driver license, at which point you must renew it. Without a license, you can't buy guns.

I think #1 would be the single most effective change in law/thinking/strategy when it comes to reducing gun violence.



Certainly. Please read and enjoy the following response to someone saying we should treat the underlying issues of gun murder instead of using the ineffective bandaid of rights restriction.:



^ I think this guy might not be very nice.



The truly nebulous idea here is "common sense gun restrictions". What does that mean? How do you do this? What are the scientifically estimated results? Do they outweigh the costs of implementation? How do you make it work in a nation that owns 40-ish percent of all the privately owned guns? Could this fact make solutions different in America than say France?

Unfortunately #1 is soft on crime/not "law and order" and #2 is a flagrant restriction of gun rights. Both are non starters on the conservative right. While I appreciate your efforts, ekis point stand.

 

[SlowSpyder]

SS follows Trump example of bullshit artist.

There is a 16 17 page thread of blacks getting their civil rights violated just for existing yet he waits 2 years to find an example like this one.

He doesn't give 2 shits about the child. He's making a failed attempt to prove racism is equal on both sides and its a fail as usual.

Yea, who cares if a nine year old kills themselves over anti-white bullying... I mean, come on, does the world know that there are 17 pages of AT P&N bickering opinions on another subject so this example doesn't matter?

 

[fskimospy]

I can't speak for conservatives, but I can speak for myself:
(1) End the war on drugs and treat drug addiction as a medical issue instead of a "prison-rape the addiction out" issue. Estimates vary, but gun murders related to the lucrative and violent black market of the drug trade make up a significant percentage of gun murders. None of which would happen without this black market.
(2) Gun licenses. Similar to a driver license...you must hold a current gun license in order to purchase a gun. The devil is in the details, but there could be such things as criminal background checks, mental health checks, or other qualifications. Once you have a license, it is good for a specified amount of time just like a driver license, at which point you must renew it. Without a license, you can't buy guns.

I think #1 would be the single most effective change in law/thinking/strategy when it comes to reducing gun violence.

Conservatives violently oppose both of those solutions, which is sort of my point.

Certainly. Please read and enjoy the following response to someone saying we should treat the underlying issues of gun murder instead of using the ineffective bandaid of rights restriction.:

^ I think this guy might not be very nice.

Seems like he was specifically saying that an unwillingness to adopt common sense laws amounted to toleration, not your desire to address underlying issues.

The truly nebulous idea here is "common sense gun restrictions". What does that mean? How do you do this? What are the scientifically estimated results? Do they outweigh the costs of implementation? How do you make it work in a nation that owns 40-ish percent of all the privately owned guns? Could this fact make solutions different in America than say France?

The restrictions you mentioned above are common sense ones, for example.

As for your other questions the great news for you is that there is a large body of empirical research dedicated to doing exactly this, using cross-border state by state results to make these measurements!!!! I’ve even linked a bunch before.

Regardless, I appreciate your response. While I personally would take things much further solutions like yours would be an excellent start.

 

[Homerboy]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...ourself/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.421e5346d501

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-taunted-having-white-friend-family-says.html

https://www.foxnews.com/us/alabama-girl-9-commits-suicide-after-racist-taunting-family-says


I wish I could have been there to talk some sense into her. Who knows what other problems may have been going on, but this racist bullying seems like the prime cause. No BLM protests again?

You were sooooo close to being a normal, caring person. Then you throw in the bolded just to prove you're an asshole.

 

[SlowSpyder]

You were sooooo close to being a normal, caring person. Then you throw in the bolded just to prove you're an asshole.

What is wrong with bringing up partisan hypocrisy in a politics and news forum? FFS...

 

[VRAMdemon]

You were mostly accurate, but you forgot there will be a lot of posts about me and not so much about the subject. Easier to talk about me than about the leftist racism responsible for taking a life that will be brushed under the rug.

"Leftist racism"?!?!....Soooo, these 9 year old fourth grade elementary school kids that bullied this child are "leftists"...lol, if there is such a thing as "leftist derangement syndrome" this is it.

 

[cytg111]

Do you understand what happened in this story? You seem to have this idea that only the right can be racist, here you are again pissing into the wind.

The point is, at best, its a light breeze, you sir, are the one pissing into the wind.
Is there gonna be bigotry around, is the left immune to it? No.
Take a look at Chancellorsville, voter suppression of minorities, the screaming racists and nazis that is empowered by Trumpism ... that is pissing into a tornado dude, stop stop stop with the talking points out of The_Donald, for one its not real second, no one is biting, you dont have an audience here. It makes no sense. Free yourself, open you eyes, step into the open out of the darkness.
Tell me again how you identify this as "leftish racism" How did you come to that conclusion? Cause there were no swastikas? No KKK hoods? Therefor -> leftish racism?

 

[SlowSpyder]

"Leftist racism"?!?!....Soooo, these 9 year old fourth grade elementary school kids that bullied this child are "leftists"...lol, if there is such a thing as "leftist derangement syndrome" this is it.

Anti-white racism can almost always trace it's origins to the left. Anti-minority racism is a mixed bag, however.

 

[SlowSpyder]

The point is, at best, its a light breeze, you sir, are the one pissing into the wind.
Is there gonna be bigotry around, is the left immune to it? No.
Take a look at Chancellorsville, voter suppression of minorities, the screaming racists and nazis that is empowered by Trumpism ... that is pissing into a tornado dude, stop stop stop with the talking points out of The_Donald, for one its not real second, no one is biting, you dont have an audience here. It makes no sense. Free yourself, open you eyes, step into the open out of the darkness.
Tell me again how you identify this as "leftish racism" How did you come to that conclusion? Cause there were no swastikas? No KKK hoods? Therefor -> leftish racism?

See my answer above, "Anti-white racism can almost always trace it's origins to the left. Anti-minority racism is a mixed bag, however." (or see it here, I guess)

 

[VRAMdemon]

Anti-white racism can almost always trace it's origins to the left. Anti-minority racism is a mixed bag, however.

Lol..not sure how to decode this reply...I'll ignore it and ask again. Are you claiming that these 4th grade elementary school children that bullied this child are "leftists"?

 

[SlowSpyder]

Lol..not sure how to decode this reply...I'll ignore it and ask again. Are you claiming that these 4th grade elementary school children that bullied this child are "leftists"?

Probably not, but influence by leftist racism from adults. Do you think these kids that bullied this black girl into suicide for having a white friend were more influenced by far righties like the Nazis or far left like BLM?

 

[HomerJS]

Yea, who cares if a nine year old kills themselves over anti-white bullying... I mean, come on, does the world know that there are 17 pages of AT P&N bickering opinions on another subject so this example doesn't matter?

Because you don't care. Its your version of a Trojan horse. Did you express outrage at the underlying trigger for the white terrorist killing 11 in Pittsburgh? No because Trump was spreading anti-Semitic rumors.

Hmmm, 11 vs 1. For the record the death of the girl is a tragedy but that was more of a case of bullying. Have you ever denounced the bullier in chief? If the girl had been handicapped and was constantly teased it would be very similar, bullying.

You do not get to redefine racism to fit your warped agenda.

 

[HomerJS]

Probably not, but influence by leftist racism from adults. Do you think these kids that bullied this black girl into suicide for having a white friend were more influenced by far righties like the Nazis or far left like BLM?

Because this was not a case of racism. Your feigned outrage is disturbing.

 

[cytg111]

See my answer above, "Anti-white racism can almost always trace it's origins to the left. Anti-minority racism is a mixed bag, however." (or see it here, I guess)

I dont see it? Where is it "traced back"?
I dont see the "left anti white racism" in this story either.

 

[cytg111]

Probably not, but influence by leftist racism from adults ?.........

Right about now we need pcgeek inhere with the usual "you have zero evidence and only running on feels" rhetoric, except of course, in this case it would be a valid point.
What the hell man, "can always be traced back to" = "some leftist adults probably said mean things to these kids" ???

 

[Jhhnn]

I do love how the bullying of a black 9 year old girl is somehow the result of anti-white bullying. By Alabama leftists, of course.

Slow doesn't live in a bubble. He lives in a bunker.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Right about now we need pcgeek inhere with the usual "you have zero evidence and only running on feels" rhetoric, except of course, in this case it would be a valid point.
What the hell man, "can always be traced back to" = "some leftist adults probably said mean things to these kids" ???

Many people are saying
MANY
PEOPLE
what don't you understand about 'Many people'?
That's been a viable source of news for this administration before it was this administration

 

[Jaskalas]

"leftist racism"

- And just like that my brain cancer is back.

It exists, but it's not the same as other forms.

‘Overwhelmingly White’ California Women’s March Canceled Over Representation Concerns

U.S. Census Bureau data identifies Humboldt County, along the northern California coastline, as more than 74 percent non-Hispanic, non-Latino white in 2018, with nearly 12 percent of residents Hispanic or Latino, more than 6 percent American Indian and Alaskan natives, more than 1 percent black or African American, and almost 3 percent Asian. ​

The reason to mention it at all, would be to push back against and stop it from festering / becoming systemic. Oh, and we'll attract more voters if we're not seen as actively hating and/or working against them via racism and/or racist undertones.

 

[fskimospy]

Anti-white racism can almost always trace it's origins to the left. Anti-minority racism is a mixed bag, however.

Wait, I thought you didn’t see color?

 

[Sunburn74]

More importantly its crazy to me that if you bully someone and they kill themself, teens get off scot free. There should at least be like a civil fine against the parents or school or something.

 

[cytg111]

More importantly its crazy to me that if you bully someone and they kill themself, teens get off scot free. There should at least be like a civil fine against the parents or school or something.

I think the first lady has some message on the subject of bullying ... Oh yea, she dont really give a f*.

 

[Jhhnn]

It exists, but it's not the same as other forms.

‘Overwhelmi ngly White’ California Women’s March Canceled Over Representation Concerns

U.S. Census Bureau data identifies Humboldt County, along the northern California coastline, as more than 74 percent non-Hispanic, non-Latino white in 2018, with nearly 12 percent of residents Hispanic or Latino, more than 6 percent American Indian and Alaskan natives, more than 1 percent black or African American, and almost 3 percent Asian. ​

The reason to mention it at all, would be to push back against and stop it from festering / becoming systemic. Oh, and we'll attract more voters if we're not seen as actively hating and/or working against them via racism and/or racist undertones.

WTF? Louis Farrakhan is no leftist. I get that the Women's March people want to avoid the appearance of racism but your reasoning beyond that eludes me.

 

[HomerJS]

BTW - Did anyone catch Slow's Russian like tactic of equating Nazi's with BLM and at the same time feign concern for the death of a little girl?

He needs more classes in the Moscow troll farm.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Wait, I thought you didn’t see color?

I don't, I judge people by who they are, not skin color. But that isn't to say that certain brands of racism and bigotry tend to affect different groups. If the racism is anti-white, it was likely from a leftist source. If the racism was anti-minority, it can vary.