Nike Goddess of Cruelty

[Dr. Zaus]

Stop ranting and focus. You just posted references to the articles. You didn't actually post what the articles said (but your presentation is so disorganized that maybe I missed it). Post something specific from it and I can address it otherwise all the other specific statements you posted were from the 90s.

Do you have those publications?

Yes,
PDF warning:
http://annhyg.oxfordjournals.org/content/52/3/195.full.pdf
Short abstract:

This study showed that adverse health effects
experienced by footwear and equipment factory workers are associated with occupational
exposures to chemicals (volatile organic solvents and water-based adhesives)

The methodology was incredibly sound w/ a super high response rate and modern techniques for controlling for other factors.

The other one is behind a pay-wall, but a short clip from the abstract is:

Workers in these factories were exposed through inhalation and dermal contact to a large number of organic vapors from solvents and cements that were hand applied. In addition, these workers were exposed to highly toxic isocyanates primarily through the dermal route. 100% of the workers performing specific job tasks were overexposed to mixtures of chemicals. From 39% to 69% of the surface samples were positive for unreacted isocyanates. Many of the real-time measurements obtained in the equipment factories exceeded occupational exposure limits. Personal protective equipment and engineering controls were inadequate in all of the factories.

and if you would like I can help you find the PDF.

You're naive. Those people are poor. I suspect they have a reasonable idea that their jobs suck and are dangerous.

A Miner or a steal worker have dangerous jobs; these jobs are not dangerous as the outcome of asthma/cancer/birth defect is not an 'accident' caused by an error on their part or a fellow laborer's but something systemic to the job at hand. Paying people who don't know any better to be poisoned in-order to save a few cents a shoe is different than paying people to take on a risky job that is unavoidably dangerous.

I see no evidence of "suckering." It's also incredibly condescending of you to call them "the ignorant" You're a revolting patronizing first-worlder treating them like savage children. Who the fuck do you think you are? You're just a jackass with an internet connection who is lucky enough to live a wealthy country.

I think I'm an international business scholar who's looked at the demographics and information regarding the knowledgeably and cultural values of those involved and if you would like I can link to articles showing the empirical fact that they are ignorant regarding what they will suffer from their jobs.

I'm mature enough to realize this would hurt a lot of third worlders.

It would hurt them, no doubt, but it wouldn't do so in such a way as is deceptive but as is moral and ethical.

 

[Infohawk]

Stop ranting and focus. You just posted references to the articles. You didn't actually post what the articles said (but your presentation is so disorganized that maybe I missed it). Post something specific from it and I can address it otherwise all the other specific statements you posted were from the 90s.

Yes,
PDF warning:
http://annhyg.oxfordjournals.org/content/52/3/195.full.pdf
Short abstract: The methodology was incredibly sound w/ a super high response rate and modern techniques for controlling for other factors.

The other one is behind a pay-wall, but a short clip from the abstract is:



and if you would like I can help you find the PDF.


A Miner or a steal worker have dangerous jobs; these jobs are not dangerous as the outcome of asthma/cancer/birth defect is not an 'accident' caused by an error on their part or a fellow laborer's but something systemic to the job at hand. Paying people who don't know any better to be poisoned in-order to save a few cents a shoe is different than paying people to take on a risky job that is unavoidably dangerous.


I think I'm an international business scholar who's looked at the demographics and information regarding the knowledgeably and cultural values of those involved and if you would like I can link to articles showing the empirical fact that they are ignorant regarding what they will suffer from their jobs.
It would hurt them, no doubt, but it wouldn't do so in such a way as is deceptive but as is moral and ethical.

That's what I suspected. The articles are saying manufacturing jobs in that industry are dangerous. I don't see anything about Nike specifically and they certainly aren't personifying and attacking Nike like you are.

Feel free to share the publication that you probably have through your undergraduate subscription about how they are ignorant about their job safety, but that's not really that interesting. Although I'm sure they don't have schooling occupational safety, you're still treating them like children.

And dude, I don't think you really know that much about occupational hazards of heavy industry so please don't fake the funk. It's not just about dropping something on your foot. They are exposed to all sorts of chemicals. For decades American workers were exposed to asbestos on just about any industrial site. And although asbestos was on its way out in the 80s, there are still a whole mess of chemicals on those sites. Manufacturing is always dirty and dangerous which is why it generally doesn't pay that well.

So basically shoe manufacturing is not some special case. Everyone knows those electronics outfits in China and Taiwan are killing their workers. Do you rail against those domestically-owned corporations? Nike is playing by the rules in those countries. Our only appropriate response is to advocate tariffs on products of those countries (which again would reduce their wealth dramatically.)

 

[Ronstang]

Considering what Nike charges for their products they can afford to make their products in a real country but choose not to because of cost. One reason I will never buy Nike anything.

 

[Infohawk]

Considering what Nike charges for their products they can afford to make their products in a real country but choose not to because of cost. One reason I will never buy Nike anything.

And you don't think other "premium" shoe companies don't do the same thing? I can understand not wanting to spend money on Air Jordans but frankly I don't understand all the emotion against Nike. They're just another multinational company doing what multinational companies do. Why single them out?

 

[Ronstang]

And you don't think other "premium" shoe companies don't do the same thing? I can understand not wanting to spend money on Air Jordans but frankly I don't understand all the emotion against Nike. They're just another multinational company doing what multinational companies do. Why single them out?

When shopping for tennis shoes I only buy the New Balance styles that are made in the US.

 

[Infohawk]

When shopping for tennis shoes I only buy the New Balance styles that are made in the US.

That's legit then. Too bad it's not a more common sentiment. There was a post a while back about how German manufacturing is doing well because Germans buy German.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Me: Nike is not playing by the rules of the country. They are getting raped and exposed to chemicals that they don't know will kill them and their unborn

IH: Nike is just playing by the rules* and you are acting like the workers are children** further everyone in the industry ther is doing the same thing ***


* I've presented evidence to the contrary, you have presented the less than convincing argument "Nuh uhh"

**to say someone is being exploited because of their ignorance is not to demean the individuals critical thinking skills or ability to make informed judgements: it is to say that despite their ability to make such judgements they are incapable of doing so because they are not told the truth.

***I bring up Nike not because adidas is good, the first article says as much, but because Nike is an example of such companies for which documentation is best; Clearly I have not been saying "dont buy Nike" Ibe been saying "don't buy things from companies that knowingly poison their workers and turn a blind eye to institutionalized rape, one such company I have evidence of this for is Nike"

Pointing a bad actor does not justify owning stock of or buying the products of other bad actors.