Nike Goddess of Cruelty

Dr. Zaus

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http://business.nmsu.edu/~dboje/papers/BojeVol11and6NikeGREEKgoddess.htm

Corporal punishment. Nike negates the dignity of the worker in repeated and widely reported acts of corporal punishment. Punishment for poor work includes cleaning toilets, being slapped, getting locked in a cage in the company compound, having your mouth taped shut, being forced to kneel for long periods with their arms in the air, or baking in the sun (Campaign for Labor Rights, 1996a). Some punishments are senseless, such as apologizing to every worker in the section or running around the factory compound yelling the boss is good (http://www.caa.org.au/campaigns/nike/ sweating.html, July 1995). Here is a short list of some of the more widely reported stories:

In 1996, a supervisor at the Korean Sam Yang Co. factory, a Nike sub-contractor, was convicted for hitting 15 Vietnamese women team leaders over the head with the upper sole of a Nike shoe (Nguyen, VLW Report, 1997b). On September 16, 1996, Phil Knight in his stockholder's speech rewrote the incident by saying one woman was struck on the arm by her supervisor (Nike Web documents, 1998).
�In 1996 CBS News filmed a 48 Hours segment on the 15 workers who were beaten with a Nike upper sole. The women also accused their factory bosses of sexual harassment (CBS News 48 Hours, 1996).
�A supervisor at the Taiwanese factory Pou Chen Corp. found himself before a Vietnamese tribunal at the end of March for forcing 56 women workers to run 4km around the factory for not wearing regulation work shoes. Twelve of the women workers had to be taken to hospital (ICFTU, 1997).
�On International Day, March 8, 1997, 56 women at the Nike factory, Pouchen, were forced to run around the factory grounds: 12 of them fainted and were taken to the hospital by their friends. This was particularly painful to the Vietnamese because it occurred on International Women�s Day, an important holiday when Vietnam honors women (http://www.boycottnike.com).
�Forty-five women were forced by their supervisors to kneel down with their hands up in the air for 25 minutes (http://www.boycottnike.com).
�In the case of Ms Taska, her supervisor gave her nine cuts with a knife because she planned to participate in a strike for better safety conditions.
�On November 26, 1996, 100 workers at the Pouchen factory, a Nike site in Dong Nai, were forced to stand in the sun for half an hour for spilling a tray of fruit on an altar which three Taiwanese supervisors were using. One employee (Nguyen Minh Tri) walked out after 18 minutes, and was then formally fired. Mr Nguyen Minh Tri was reinstated after intervention by local labor federation officials. Mr Tri, however, has declined to work for Pouchen (http://www. boycottnike. com).
�In Vietnamese, phoi nang means sun-drying. Employees deemed in need of a bit of discipline are forced to stand in the tropical sun, which packs a wallop unfamiliar to those from more temperate climates (Manning, 1997).
Bathrooms. In one Nike Indonesia factory, there are seven toilets for 10,000 workers. In Vietnam, workers must ask their supervisor for a special hat to wear to signal they are going to the bathroom. And there are only a hat or two for every 200 workers.

Workers cannot go to the bathroom more than once per eight-hour shift and they cannot drink water more than twice per shift (http://www. boycottnike.com).

Sexual abuse. One thing about Nike�s public relations machine is that it is able to write its own stories to reinterpret stories told by Asian women. One approach to reinterpretation by Nike is to downplay sexual assault to a simple misunderstanding:

By September 1996, Vietnamese newspapers had published many articles about abuses at Nike factories in Vietnam. But at a shareholders� meeting at Nike�s headquarters, Mr Knight tried to play down a sexual abuse incident involving a supervisor and two women workers. Mr Knight said that the incident was just a misunderstanding when a night watchman was trying to wake up these two workers. He ignored the fact that the two women told a horrifying story to the Vietnamese press of an attempted rape by the factory supervisor. This supervisor skipped town before local authorities could put him on trial (Nguyen, 1997a).

Several workers told me that a Korean manager allegedly attempted to rape two women workers last year, and then fled the country. This was widely reported in the Vietnamese press (O�Rourke, 1997; also reported in The Worker Newspaper, 1996; and by Hung and Lam, 1997).

When the perpetrator is sent out of the country and the woman is bribed to keep silent, only the rebel voices are left to tell the story:

In the sexual molestation case, according to the news reports, factory managers tried to buy the young women�s silence, and the Korean manager fled to Seoul after charges were filed against him (http://www.boycottnike.com).

We have to ask, is sexual abuse the rule or the exception when it occurs in broad daylight?

Even in broad daylight, in front of other workers, these supervisors try to touch, rub or grab their buttocks or chests. One supervisor told a female factory worker that it is a common custom for men in his country to greet women they like by grabbing their behinds (http://www.boycottnike.com).

Verbal abuse. Reports abound that Asian workers are verbally abused and sexually harassed by supervisors. The language is both racist and abusive, with the �F... you and move,� �hurry up you stupid B....� or �dog,� along with hitting workers. This has been documented in Fengtay, Nikomas and Narity factories (http://www.oneworld.org/christianaid/global_shoe.html):

Wages below the legal minimum for the first three months, strictly controlled access to toilet facilities, a maximum of two glasses of water per working day, verbal abuse, sexual harassment and corporal punishment are all practices denounced in these factories (ICFTU, 1997).

The female workers report that the Korean managers often yell at them, call them �dog,� etc. There have also been instances of Koreans slapping the female workers on the behind with an outsole if they have made a mistake. They said they hated the Korean managers, but no one was willing to protest the treatment because they were afraid of being fired (Athreya, 1995).

How does Nike respond to these repeated accusations? The story Nike tells has a rather simple plot. Phil Knight sets up his story by pointing out that Nike employs over 500,000:

...That�s a community slightly smaller than the city of Portland. And you do not see the Portland mayor being charged with abusing the citizenry whenever there is a crime...I would suggest that you hold us to the same standards (Knight, 1997).

This is a plot we can easily deny. Phil Knight is a CEO, not a Mayor. Nike is global enterprise, not a city. A city prosecutes crimes while Phil Knight assumes away responsibility for crimes of Nike male managers against Asian women. Nike supplements the Mayor�s story with stories depicting Nike to be the victim of well-financed fringe activists led by Global Exchange that re-circulate exaggerated tales to victimize Nike (Knight, 1998; Nike Web documents).
The article is old but the practices are unchanged!

I think it's disgusting how Nike pretends like it can't control the abuse and deadly working conditions systemic to the nike sub contractor's organization... But it sure can control other minutiae that go directly to their bottom line.

I beg for someone to talk about how this kind of shit should be legal because of "free markets".
 
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Steeplerot

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Keep buying the talk radio/corporate tv lines about government and regulation not getting anything done and we shall be there soon too. Step one in making a banana republic is to get ahold of the media to discredit elected government and regulations in the way. Hello? Conservative media?

There is big money in moving the slave labor market here.

Why not? Buncha spoiled whiney workers here needs rights? For what? Theres profits to be made!

The corporations already got a good part of the older whites to think having a good union job that they were raised with excessive to their own need for profits.

The time is soon for Americans to learn some simple class consciousness again before we get our asses farmed. Like the billionaire guy said a few years ago, there is a class war in USA -and our side is kicking ass.
 
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Dr. Zaus

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Than could you provide something at least in the last decade, preferably the last couple years, that supports these continued practices?

Nike is still killing people with their poor working conditions:
Todd, L. A.; Sitthichok, T. P.; Mottus, K.; Mihlan, G.; Wing, S. (2008), "Health Survey of Workers Exposed to Mixed Solvent and Ergonomic Hazards in Footwear and Equipment Factory Workers in Thailand", Annals of Occupational Hygiene 52 (3): 195–205

Todd, L. A.; Mottus, K.; Mihlan, G. J. (2008), "A Survey of Airborne and Skin Exposures to Chemicals in Footwear and Equipment Factories in Thailand", Journal of Occupational and Environmental Hygiene 5 (3): 169–181

You can't just ignore that there has been no change by pretending it was "in the past". Documents that leak out tend to be few and far between, but that they haven't ceased and there is no document leaking out or even presented by Nike directly, that shows that the previous documents are no longer valid the only reasonable conclusion is that you WANT things to be better at Nike, without proof every few years that it isn't then you simply chose to disbelieve the truth about the conditions under which our low-cost walmart goods are produced.


You don't have to be a hate filled commie bastard ^ to know that loving your neighbor as yourself means not tolerating out-right cruelty in the manufacture of what you buy.
Keep buying the talk radio/corporate tv lines about government and regulation not getting anything done
I swear to God that people like you Red are the reason that responsible, well meaning adults don't do more to help their fellow human. If I didn't know better (and I don't!) I would say you secretly (or not so much) LIKE when people are hurt and dieing because of your fucked up world view that says it is only through such things that the world can be made a workers-utopia.

Fucking commie ass hat, fuck off and stop shitting in my thread. Everything has trade offs and your Goddamed zealotry is the kind of shit people spit the fuck out and lead them to ignore important issues.

Every side of the isle should be able to agree that we should remove ourselves from the WTO unless it starts enforcing FAIR TRADE; where in those products manufactured somewhere else MUST follow specific guidelines for environmental and worker-safety and living-wage standards (ie, the quality of life you get from US minimum wage).

If we did that the US would regain manufacturing, we would still be leaders when it comes to technology and no one in the world could compete with our awesome creative powers...

But no, you fucking commies have to crap on everything that's a good idea and try to usurp those things that would help our nation by making them look JUST like what rush/Beck can easily call a code-pinko conspiracy.
 
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Steeplerot

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Hate filled? Hardly, I accept all for their beliefs but do not mince words with hypocrites. Your accusations of my masochism are unfounded I wish to see a world with far less suffering, it is the core foundation along with equality of being a liberal. A "workers-utopia" is not a goal either.

If your nose is out of joint because some drama queens tried to pin some crap on me as being a phobe whatever, look at the quote. I wouldn't give much weight to cries of racism/sexism/bias from folks who we all know only care for their own agenda.

Quit the liberal bourgeois bit, we all know righties are down to screw the middle class.
Why treat them like anything but what they openly admit to being about? Or pretend they will change their mind suddenly when a good part of them have skin in the game.

Anyhow, have fun arguing with them, protip: these cons could give a shit less if you handed them evidence in triplicate of wage slavery, they are fundamentalists.

My apologies for offense, the pic was a bit heavy on rhetoric and removed.
 
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Todd, L. A.; Sitthichok, T. P.; Mottus, K.; Mihlan, G.; Wing, S. (2008), "Health Survey of Workers Exposed to Mixed Solvent and Ergonomic Hazards in Footwear and Equipment Factory Workers in Thailand", Annals of Occupational Hygiene 52 (3): 195–205

Todd, L. A.; Mottus, K.; Mihlan, G. J. (2008), "A Survey of Airborne and Skin Exposures to Chemicals in Footwear and Equipment Factories in Thailand", Journal of Occupational and Environmental Hygiene 5 (3): 169–181

Random. Do you have those publications? What is on those pages that says Nike is killing people?
 

Dr. Zaus

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Nike uses chemicals that reduce the cost of manufacturing but cause birth defects, asthma and cancer. The use of proper protection would cost more, so instead Nike distances itself from this by 'out sourcing' the problem BUT it has very specific demands regarding how to run the plant the Nike way: which does not include keeping ignorant Asian women from getting horrible illnesses that kill their unborn children and kill them.

Nike gets productivity LIKE A BOSS.
Get my shoes made, and get them made cheap!
Between jumping out the window and eating some chicken strips. (that is to say, for those not familiar with the song, they suck dick)

Do you have those publications?
Yes,
PDF warning:
http://annhyg.oxfordjournals.org/content/52/3/195.full.pdf
Short abstract:
This study showed that adverse health effects
experienced by footwear and equipment factory workers are associated with occupational
exposures to chemicals (volatile organic solvents and water-based adhesives)
The methodology was incredibly sound w/ a super high response rate and modern techniques for controlling for other factors.

The other one is behind a pay-wall, but a short clip from the abstract is:

Workers in these factories were exposed through inhalation and dermal contact to a large number of organic vapors from solvents and cements that were hand applied. In addition, these workers were exposed to highly toxic isocyanates primarily through the dermal route. 100% of the workers performing specific job tasks were overexposed to mixtures of chemicals. From 39% to 69% of the surface samples were positive for unreacted isocyanates. Many of the real-time measurements obtained in the equipment factories exceeded occupational exposure limits. Personal protective equipment and engineering controls were inadequate in all of the factories.

and if you would like I can help you find the PDF.


Red:
I was overly rude, I feel embarrassed... I have a temper issue I need to work on so I'll not edit my comments so as not to hide my shame in being so profane. (I think the picture just upset me because it was a glib take on a complex and vitally important subject)
 
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Monster_Munch

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I beg for someone to talk about how this kind of shit should be legal because of "free markets".

Obviously it's not legal in the US or Europe, and it shouldn't be legal anywhere else. But it's not Nike's responsibility to police the developing world. The governments in those countries are the ones failing to protect their own people.
 

Dr. Zaus

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But it's not Nike's responsibility to police the developing world.
Nike polices its factories when it comes to production, why does it have no moral obligation to police its factories when it comes to very basic safety/health issues?

The article suggests that the 1000 people employed to keep the half million workers working the Nike way add to their list of tasks assuring a basic modicum of safety. Should Nike only be expected rush to the bottom? In the US they pay people who work for them to come in car-pool or bike/walk to work with nike-bucks; instead why not pay bosses who don't rape their workers and who make sure that everyone us using proper safety equipment?

The answer is, of course, that what they do in Oregon makes US headlines and makes them look good; but when there are real problems they can solve they choose to make a little extra money and only pay attention to that which makes them the most money today, instead of responsibility developing the 3rd world by doing what it says it intends to do where it is much harder to see what is going on.

The governments in those countries are the ones failing to protect their own people.
It also turns out that Nike regularly violates the worker protection and labor laws in those countries as well, because it brings so much business and work in it is capable of getting away with corrupting the government into ignoring its own rules. No doubt they need a better government, but your argument is like this "yeah, he raped the secretary... but he paid off the chief of police first, so she should do a better job of providing her own security"

I say raped in this scenario not to be hyperbolic, but because that's what the bosses do to these young ignorant girls; further because they are ignorant and culturally submissive they are entirely ignorant to the fact that the chemicals they are using is what's giving them asthma, cancer and killing/mutating their unborn children.

With a few minor changes Nike could be a major force of good by bringing jobs to people who would otherwise be living on much less... but telling them to work with poisons they are ignorant of and not giving them proper protection from said poison is something easily fixed; the rape of young ignorant farm girls should not be ignored and covered up.
 
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Corn

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Hate filled? Hardly, I accept all for their beliefs but do not mince words with hypocrites.

You are one of the most brazen bigoted homophobe hypocrites I've ever witnessed. Perhaps you should take care to cure yourself before you go chastising others for their alleged hypocrisy.
 

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I don't see how this is my problem or issue. It's up to the governments of those countries to protect their citizens. Is Nike worse or better (yikes!) than other manufacturers in how they go about running the production? I'm guessing all the other ones are just as crappy.....
 

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I haven't bought Nike in decades, not since I became socially conscious. They like to brag about how many countries they've gifted with Nike factories, without pointing out that when labor hits a whopping $.25 to $.30 per hour they close those factories. And just a few years ago they were paying just one spokesman, Michael Jordan, more per year than they spent in manufacturing everything they made.

New Balance is now my only tennis shoe, and it's getting difficult to find even those still made in the USA.
 

Dr. Zaus

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I don't see how this is my problem or issue. It's up to the governments of those countries to protect their citizens. Is Nike worse or better (yikes!) than other manufacturers in how they go about running the production? I'm guessing all the other ones are just as crappy.....

As anarchist pointed out: even in the most libetarian of systems the free market can only work if economic actors are both as fully informed as resionable and those actors act in a way that is ethical (ie punishing unethical suppliers by not purchasing from them) anarchist, while still holding to his libertarian principles is acting in a socially responsible way, which is better than DT that seems not to care that others are severely harmed serving him because adidas is likely just as bad.

That's like not caring that transfat fries are bad for you because McDonalds and burger king both serve them.


I would, though, argue with those that think that this should be an economic freedom. Aslong as some economic actors get to follow different rules than others there is going to be distortion in the market. The only way to bring manufacturing to those that can most efficiently produce is to eliminate such cheats by having fair trade (ie only allow in those goods that have comparable health/safety requirements and pay their people at least purchasing power parity minimum wage, or charge a penalty so high they are incentivized to do such)
 

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Bottom line is your OP contains decades-old complaints and all you have from recent times is occupational health issues which exist everywhere. There are a lot of dangerous jobs, even in America. And you're wasting time personifying Nike. They are a corporation. They either follow the law or they don't.

But hey, I'd be happy to have an import tax on any products manufactured overseas that don't meet US environmental and labor standards. Ultimately though, you'd be penalizing those third-world women who are probably happy to have these jobs.
 

Dr. Zaus

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Ultimately though, you'd be penalizing those third-world women who are probably happy to have these jobs.
Think they'd be happy to have the jobs if they knew that their increased standard of living was going to cause them cancer, asthma and deform/kill their children?

Are you honestly arguing that it's OK because it is 'dirty job' and there are lots of 'dirty jobs' in the US? Drawing a moral equivalency between the literal murder and rape that Nike turns a blind eye to and a company that simply failed OSHA standards in the US.

I wonder, do you care about your fellow man, or is suckering the ignorant into death something that's OK with you?

As for my sources: Instead of clips from some environmentalist wack-job web page, or news source I gave you the most credible sources that exist on the planet: Peer reviewed empirical scientific journal articles. The most explanatory of which is 12 years old, but there a string of them continue to show that Nike's practices continue unabated.

Are you interested in honest discourse? If so, respond to some points directly with either evidence or at least principled-reasoning that contradicts my point of view instead of dismissively lumping together rape, murder and someone seducing his secretary or a woman choosing to work crime-scene clean up.
 

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Think they'd be happy to have the jobs if they knew that their increased standard of living was going to cause them cancer, asthma and deform/kill their children?

Are you honestly arguing that it's OK because it is 'dirty job' and there are lots of 'dirty jobs' in the US? Drawing a moral equivalency between the literal murder and rape that Nike turns a blind eye to and a company that simply failed OSHA standards in the US.

I wonder, do you care about your fellow man, or is suckering the ignorant into death something that's OK with you?

As for my sources: Instead of clips from some environmentalist wack-job web page, or news source I gave you the most credible sources that exist on the planet: Peer reviewed empirical scientific journal articles. The most explanatory of which is 12 years old, but there a string of them continue to show that Nike's practices continue unabated.

Are you interested in honest discourse? If so, respond to some points directly with either evidence or at least principled-reasoning that contradicts my point of view instead of dismissively lumping together rape, murder and someone seducing his secretary or a woman choosing to work crime-scene clean up.

Stop ranting and focus. You just posted references to the articles. You didn't actually post what the articles said (but your presentation is so disorganized that maybe I missed it). Post something specific from it and I can address it otherwise all the other specific statements you posted were from the 90s.

You're naive. Those people are poor. I suspect they have a reasonable idea that their jobs suck and are dangerous. Do you have any evidence to the contrary? I see no evidence of "suckering." It's also incredibly condescending of you to call them "the ignorant" You're a revolting patronizing first-worlder treating them like savage children. Who the fuck do you think you are? You're just a jackass with an internet connection who is lucky enough to live a wealthy country.

I'm all for higher labor standards in foreign countries. If you weren't such a moron you'd notice that I said we should impose tariffs on countries with poor labor and environmental standards. But I'm mature enough to realize this would hurt a lot of third worlders.

And don't confuse me pointing out that your an idiot with supporting Nike. The two are mutually exclusive.
 
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