NightLine: Bush Administration begins downplaying WMD

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Alistar7

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Would you prefer we used force and colinized the whole world like every other superpower in history has done ot tried to do?

Anyone that would not like an American lifestyle and rights, has never lived here. We are a nation built on immigration, with people still doing ANYTHING they can to get in from all over the world.

What a horrible thought, an entire world where everyone was entitled to live, think, and speak freely. Where everyone had a say in the way their lives were governed, while their inalienable rights were protected. Thank god you brought to light this evil conspiracy.
 

Alistar7

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Cronic poster MIA's (Missing in action) where did thet go?
Alistar7
Conjur
Grasshopper27 (Herd he got banned)
Others ?

Remember how vocal they had been on this forum - but they seem to have evaporated.

Hopper got banned? I was just having a fun weekend, sorry hopper.

Would love to know where alot of you have been in regards to the Iraqi surrenders and the information on AL-queeda and WMD being found .....
 

Alistar7

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Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Cronic poster MIA's (Missing in action) where did thet go?
Alistar7
Conjur
Grasshopper27 (Herd he got banned)
Others ?

Remember how vocal they had been on this forum - but they seem to have evaporated.

It does suck to be on the side whose case gets weaker and weaker by the day. The s#it must be gonna hit the fan soon, and they know it.

sure is, havent seen you in awhile here pal....? LOL
 

phillyTIM

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Originally posted by: Alistar7
sure is, havent seen you in awhile here pal....? LOL

Apparently your outstanding short-sightedness hasn't failed you. "LOL"
 

abu

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Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce
Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
Since they haven't discovered the smoking gun yet the White House has begun to downplay the WMD angle. They may still find some but it looks as if there was a major shift in the world after 911 and WMD was a bit of smokescreen to make changes in the middle east.

Wow, I really want to see how the administration is going to weasel out of this one in the upcoming days. After all, that was the number 1 reason to invade in the first place. I'm sure the international community is going be very understanding when Bush or Rummy says: "Yeah, but look at all the other good things that have happened thanks to the invasion. WMD's arn't that big a deal anyway, come on guys! Y'all want WMD's? I reckon we'll find some in Syria. We have indisbutable evidence! Who want to get their invading on?"

:D
 

Alistar7

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Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Originally posted by: Alistar7
sure is, havent seen you in awhile here pal....? LOL

Apparently your outstanding short-sightedness hasn't failed you. "LOL"

yupo, remember last mont when I told you we would PULL OUT of SA and they would go democratic....

shortsighted, sorry, only told you what was going to happen more than 30 days before it did in the SA case, nice call on NK too alistar7, you were right, they were only bargaining for aid and would cave....
 

ConclamoLudus

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
We've all seen this, right?

Yes it is interesting. What amazes me is to what end someone will insult the masses. I like when he goes into his shpiel (spelling?) about how most of the poeple probably believe that we've already found WMD's (he's either insulting most people, or his area of expertise: journalism).

Step 1 of arguing an opinion should probably be, Don't start off by insulting the people you are trying to convince. I see this all the time around ATPN. Its counterproductive.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: ConclamoLudus
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
We've all seen this, right?

Yes it is interesting. What amazes me is to what end someone will insult the masses. I like when he goes into his shpiel (spelling?) about how most of the poeple probably believe that we've already found WMD's (he's either insulting most people, or his area of expertise: journalism).

Step 1 of arguing an opinion should probably be, Don't start off by insulting the people you are trying to convince. I see this all the time around ATPN. Its counterproductive.

Insulting to the masses? I don't see that at all. Insulting to the media and to Bush, yes - but not to the masses. We are portrayed as victims of Administration misinformation and slanted reporting.

I do hope some of the masses feel a little shame, however. Shame that we want to give $550 billion to America's wealthiest but can't be bothered to spend one fiftieth of that amount - just two cents on the dollar - to fund a WHO program that would save millions of lives per year. Shame that we're willing to send 400,000 troops to kill Iraqis, but won't send any troops to help the U.N. maintain peace in Ivory Coast. We won't even let the U.N. send other countries' troops, how hypocritical is that?

A bunch of ATers insisted the Iraqi war was justified by the Iraqi lives saved from Saddam's brutality, that the cost of the war was a small price to pay for seeing all those happy Iraqis celebrating the chance to live and thrive. I challenge each of these people to put their money where their rhetoric is. Write letters to your Congressional representatives urging U.S. support for the two initiatives mentioned in this column. It's a small price to pay for the health and safety of so many of our neighbors around the world.
 

flavio

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Originally posted by: BaDaBooM
I bet if I took a poll there would be many more than just 5. You should do that; start a new poll and ask how many people in this forum feel that you should be banned.

Runes, I've been on about the New American Century since way way way before the war.

Yes, of course you would be.... I would expect nothing less.

Can we ban BaDaBooM? I think we should ban anyone that proposes stupid polls.

 

cpumaster

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I think what everyone failed to consider here is the logic behind having WMD. Government/dictator have WMD as a mean to protect their power and to use in the war (against rebels or outside force). The fact that the WMD was never used in this war which many in the military & government prior to the war were pretty sure will be used eventually should raised eyebrows. Now after the war many sources & news outlets are saying Iraqis hid their WMD really well to prevent US from finding them? What kinda sense does that make? not much. Saddam might be crazy but he is not stupid (at least he is presumed to be logical). If he has chosen to ignore Bush ultimatum and choose to defend against US attack, at least the most logical thing to do is to use all arsenal in your weapon system including the WMD to defen yourself right? But why hasn't he use that? And that doesn't seem to raise to many questions now, instead people (this administration) say that he hide the WMD... what for? to spite us? like saying well, you might have beaten me but you will never find my weapon, booyaaahh...
if he has been killed earlier in the strike then there's the explanation why WMD never been used on us, but there's increasingly evidence that he survived all the strikes and still alive. Even if let say he was killed earlier, shouldn't then finding the WMD be a lot easier because it was intended to be used only never order to be since Saddam is dead, thus it should still be with the units/soldiers that in charge of operating them... all this really doesn't make sense now and the most logical explanation right now seemed to be that Iraq used to have them but they don't anymore after the UN inspection, thus why it never used on the US force during the war...
 

phillyTIM

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As for the witch hunt he warhawks keep putting the world on, they desperately need to hold onto the belief that they will find WMDs, because that's been the justification for this invasion.

Logic dictates that if WMDs were breeded so badly, that it required a regime to rape another country, then WMDs would be found in prompt and short order.

Here we are, a month and a half now after the invasion, and nothing has been found. Where are the WMD's that the Bush regime so willfully and forcefully said they had evidence of?

All I see/hear are false alarms when something remotely related to a WMD is found.

This is just a witch hunt anymore; the Bush regime is buying time now, hedging their bets that people will no longer care after a while. Figuring that people would be so happy to see the Iraqi people liberated and be done with it.

But the Bush regime WILL be held to the spectre of WMDs, and they had damn well better produce something; and I'm not talking about goods created out of thin air to cover Bush/Blair's asses.

 

DJP

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Sure, Bush can hope everyone forgets about WMD but he won't be able do to this.

Bush has said there are WMD in quantities that threaten the national security of the US and we MUST find them before someone else does. I always wondered why Bush decided to not use thousands of weapons inspectors instead of war. At least with thousands of inspectors, we'd have a better chance of finding and destroying the WMD. With war, who knows where they went or if there were any at all? At this point, not finding WMD would be a failure to the Bush administration of catastropic proportions. Basically he has to find WMD or the very premise the war was based on would be a farce. We were told there were WMD and we don't being lied to.t
 

Gaard

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If no WMDs are found, will it affect how any of the "THEY WILL BE FOUND" crowd feels about how this war was justified? I'm just curious why 100% of those on the prowar side haven't said, "Hmmm...this is strange. Not at all like what our president made it out to be."

Prowar - "They will be found." Not - "It'll take more time probably, but maybe we were wrong."
Antiwar - "Where are they?" Not - "He never had them and we definately won't find any."
 

CaptnKirk

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I suspect that:

A) Of course he USED to have them, we sold them to him, he admitted it - Gulf War 1 timeframe.

B) He finaly got rid of them, as the pressure from the international comunity mounted - at our constant proding.

C) The discrepancy over what he used to have Vs. What were aledged he had, were pertabated by what
quantities had been captured and destroyed by us at the end of Gulf War 1. We destroyed many bunkers of the
weaponry without taking inventory, and making very ambiguous reports, and stated as much. (Swartzkoff)

D) Does a countries leader really know exactly how much of anything the Military Machine really has ?
I don't think Bush even has knowledge of what our arsenal consists of, Top Secret materials are on a 'Need to Know"
basis, so if you specifically do not need to know, there is absolutely no data passed.
There are hundreds of Military Program Specifics that Bush does NOT need to know, now or possibly ever.

E) I seriously doubt that anything of substance will be found, as they probably did - under their cultural understanding -
destroy, eliminate, and comply with what Their understanding of the UN requirements were.
Our government is the one that kept moving the goals and changing the compliance milestones.

F) If Colin Powell has been left hung out to dry as a result of presenting false evidence to the UN - and the world community,
the Inteligence Comunity needs to find out where these false sources came from - and take them down.
As a matter of fact, there was a large section of both the FBI and the CIA that let it be known that false evidence was deliberately
being cooked up from within Administrations sources - looks like someone deliberately was lying for specific Political goals.

G) This in turn brings up the question of what was to be gained - and by whom - in making Colin Powell less creditable?
He is the ONE person within this administration that I thought was on the mark with substance and knowledge.
If his credibility is damaged, the gain is to Dubya himself, as Powell is the ONLY threat to 'Bush - the Candidate'
from within the Republican Party for the 2004 elections.
Given a primary to chose a candidate, Powell is more appealing to the the nation and especially to the Minority comunity,
and the 'Moderate' Republicans - which make up the biggest part of the party. The 'Extremes' only make up 20% to 25%,
but are able to force their doctrine on the rest with attacks on credibility and charactar assassinations - which they honed to a fine
edged weapon all through the Clinton Presidential years, and are now using it on anything and anyopne who questions them.



 

phillyTIM

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Originally posted by: DJP
Sure, Bush can hope everyone forgets about WMD but he won't be able do to this.

Bush has said there are WMD in quantities that threaten the national security of the US and we MUST find them before someone else does. I always wondered why Bush decided to not use thousands of weapons inspectors instead of war. At least with thousands of inspectors, we'd have a better chance of finding and destroying the WMD. With war, who knows where they went or if there were any at all? At this point, not finding WMD would be a failure to the Bush administration of catastropic proportions. Basically he has to find WMD or the very premise the war was based on would be a farce. We were told there were WMD and we don't being lied to.t


You are correct. And EVEN WORSE: the war caused the WMD's to fall into the hands of others...to proliferate. Hmmm. Bush's noble cause had the detrimental effect. What a disaster this appears to be.

One thing's for sure: Election 2004 is going to be pretty damn interesting. The Democrats are going to have a field day with this! Get your popcorn ready, watch the games begin.
 

BaDaBooM

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Originally posted by: flavio
Originally posted by: BaDaBooM
I bet if I took a poll there would be many more than just 5. You should do that; start a new poll and ask how many people in this forum feel that you should be banned.

Runes, I've been on about the New American Century since way way way before the war.

Yes, of course you would be.... I would expect nothing less.

Can we ban BaDaBooM? I think we should ban anyone that proposes stupid polls.

Can we ban flavio? I think we should ban anyone who was dumb enough to think I thought he would actually start that poll.