Look, could some of those crimes have been committed with a gun ban? Maybe. It's very likely that the guns used were either illegally obtained or stolen, so it doesn't really matter. What a gun ban does is take the gun out of the common citizen's hands.
You cannot rely on law enforcement to provide you 24/7 protection. As we saw in the immigration attack, law enforcement was too little, too late. Guns are a way for the common citizen to have protection immediately.
You cannot rely on law enforcement to provide you 24/7 protection. As we saw in the immigration attack, law enforcement was too little, too late. Guns are a way for the common citizen to have protection immediately.
* New Jersey adopted what sponsors described as "the most stringent gun law" in the nation in 1966; two years later, the murder rate was up 46% and the reported robbery rate had nearly doubled.
* In 1968, Hawaii imposed a series of increasingly harsh measures, and its murder rate tripled from a low of 2.4 per 100,000 in 1968 to 7.2 by 1977.
* In 1976, Washington, D.C., enacted one of the most restrictive gun control laws in the nation. Since then, the city's murder rate has risen 134% while the national murder rate has dropped 2%.
Sorry bud, thread over.
* In 1968, Hawaii imposed a series of increasingly harsh measures, and its murder rate tripled from a low of 2.4 per 100,000 in 1968 to 7.2 by 1977.
* In 1976, Washington, D.C., enacted one of the most restrictive gun control laws in the nation. Since then, the city's murder rate has risen 134% while the national murder rate has dropped 2%.
Sorry bud, thread over.
apparently pro-gun zealots can't read either.
My point isn't to call for a ban on guns - that's the third god-damned time I've said that in this tread, but apparently anything that appears to be anti-gun on any level, shape or form is obviously calling for a gun ban.
My point is - or as palehorse put it - my g'damn point is - no one cares about gun violence in this country - not a single one of the responses from the gun zealots mentions anything about there being a problem in this country with gun violence - I'm not going to link stuff anymore about it, but we all know the numbers - we have a rate of crime/murder using guns that is the worst among modern industrial countries.
5 different 'mass' shootings in the past week - no one says anything other than - yah well lots of people die in car accidents too - or soccerball's garbage about gun stats in New Jersey in the late 60's.
We accept violence far too easily now - usually at the hand of guns - and the blame is everywhere, but we are too busy fighting with each other to do anything about it.
I haven't seen anything that indicated that any of the shooters in this week's events had acquired their guns illegally, but of course apologists here are already assuming - the guns were 'probably' acquired illegally - because of course no gun legally acquired is ever used in a crime...
We should be ashamed, as a nation, for the level of violence here - instead we bask in it.
My point isn't to call for a ban on guns - that's the third god-damned time I've said that in this tread, but apparently anything that appears to be anti-gun on any level, shape or form is obviously calling for a gun ban.
My point is - or as palehorse put it - my g'damn point is - no one cares about gun violence in this country - not a single one of the responses from the gun zealots mentions anything about there being a problem in this country with gun violence - I'm not going to link stuff anymore about it, but we all know the numbers - we have a rate of crime/murder using guns that is the worst among modern industrial countries.
5 different 'mass' shootings in the past week - no one says anything other than - yah well lots of people die in car accidents too - or soccerball's garbage about gun stats in New Jersey in the late 60's.
We accept violence far too easily now - usually at the hand of guns - and the blame is everywhere, but we are too busy fighting with each other to do anything about it.
I haven't seen anything that indicated that any of the shooters in this week's events had acquired their guns illegally, but of course apologists here are already assuming - the guns were 'probably' acquired illegally - because of course no gun legally acquired is ever used in a crime...
We should be ashamed, as a nation, for the level of violence here - instead we bask in it.
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Calm down Beavis. The only thing you've said in this thread is basically "I'm not for a ban on guns" and "someone should care about the victims", and of course you've said it all in a mocking tone towards the pro-gun folks. What do you expect when you start a thread and immediately begin mocking the other side? You cry about people not caring about anything but fighting each other, but in your OP you immediately pick a fight with the pro gun rights crowd. At least try and be consistent.
So great, you're not for a ban on guns, so what's your solution? Do you have a point besides "someone should care about gun violence"?
It's stupid to concentrate on the gun part of "gun violence" instead of the violence part. Guns don't commit violence. And a major contributing factor for things like this happening is too many people under the illusion that government and law enforcement will protect you. If more honest and responsible people had guns then the less often tragedies like these would occur.
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