[NGOHQ.com] Microsoft: Xbox One Is A Justifiable Business Expense

[24601]

http://www.ngohq.com/news/23796-microsoft-xbox-one-is-a-justifiable-business-expense.html

Everything listed there sounds totally legit.

Since the Xbox One runs everything in the Windows Store, it seems like the perfect business computer/presentation all-in-one for the technically illiterate (a la Apple)

Not a CPU thread. Moving to the consoles forum
-ViRGE

 

[SammichPG]

http://www.ngohq.com/news/23796-microsoft-xbox-one-is-a-justifiable-business-expense.html

Everything listed there sounds totally legit.

Since the Xbox One runs everything in the Windows Store, it seems like the perfect business computer/presentation all-in-one for the technically illiterate (a la Apple)

Most of their content and services will be US exclusive, not worth the price premium over ps4, might sell decently there though.

 

[24601]

Most of their content and services will be US exclusive, not worth the price premium over ps4, might sell decently there though.

I take it you didn't read the article (or my post)[or the title] at all................

 

[SammichPG]

I take it you didn't read the article (or my post)[or the title] at all................

Briefly skimmed through it while sipping my early morning cofee, I'm not the brightest mind out there and this moment of the day makes it significantly worse.

Why would it be interesting? Using office with a pad in front of a tv on a 720 screen is on a new level of stupid.

A netbook or a tablet look like better casual computing devices to me.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Besides the crippled hardware compared to the PS4. That blog is another statement that the Xbox One is primary a settop box to compete with Smart TVs. Microsoft seems to (as always lately) completely missed the target consumer again.

Not to mention their segregated launches with a year between. I cant imagine the Xbox One to be anything than a huge flop and the PS4 will run away with it all.

The source btw:
http://smallbusiness.support.micros...1&showheader=0&showfooter=0&frame=-2033448541

 

[24601]

I was hoping this thread wouldn't derail on the first responding post.

I was wrong.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Not sure what you expected Communism (Besides a pro Xbox One thread?). But no business with half a sense left would buy this for their business. Unless it was for the entertainment room. And even then, the Xbox One would most likely be last on the list.

 

[24601]

Not sure what you expected Communism (Besides a pro Xbox One thread?). But no business with half a sense left would buy this for their business. Unless it was for the entertainment room. And even then, the Xbox One would most likely be last on the list.

I have worked with many technical illiterates before. It's basically unofficially part of my job. If I could dump them with something they literally can not fuk up (apple style) without losing the essential office side of things, I would do it in a heartbeat.

I can see this thing catching on for places that don't have a paid IT guy but just forces one of the workers that "knows what they're doing" to fix whatever they fuk up.

I can see exactly where that microsoft rep is coming from in the "small business" sense.

 

[colonelciller]

the marketing dept. came up with the ideas in that article is either completely out of touch or desperate.

businesses will not buy the Xbone as a PC workstation.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Not sure what you expected Communism (Besides a pro Xbox One thread?). But no business with half a sense left would buy this for their business. Unless it was for the entertainment room. And even then, the Xbox One would most likely be last on the list.

Yea, I am not sure what the OP was looking for either. If it was praise for the xbone, he is going to have a hard time getting it. A higher price for inferior hardware with an intrusive Kinect package that is even reviled by my teenage grandson who is into gaming, both PC and consoles. If I wanted a gaming console, I would get a PS4. If I wanted a set top box or a pc, I would get one. Xbone is just a mismash of inferior hardware and added on useless/intrusive features. I would predict that the only way sales will continue well after the initial rush is if they slash the price below the PS4.

Honestly, I supported Microsoft for a long time, despite the criticisms directed their way, but I have to say recently they seem determined to put out only what they want to force down the consumer's throats instead of what the consumer wants.

 

[Cerb]

I have worked with many technical illiterates before. It's basically unofficially part of my job. If I could dump them with something they literally can not fuk up (apple style) without losing the essential office side of things, I would do it in a heartbeat.

I can see this thing catching on for places that don't have a paid IT guy but just forces one of the workers that "knows what they're doing" to fix whatever they fuk up.

I can see exactly where that microsoft rep is coming from in the "small business" sense.

Often, it takes some work just getting XP, Vista, 7, and 8 talking to one another. If the XBOne gets sufficiently complicated authentication/network settings, it just becomes another cheap PC, with no real advantage, since all that would then make it equally as complicated as the PC.

Then, what about other software? What small businesses aren't using multiple versions of multiple pieces of software, often vertical-market, and usually some of it several years old? They would need the XBOne to do things like mount a share and run a program off the network, in a compatibility mode, and other annoying BS. IoW, it would take 5-10 years of new programs coming out through the console app store for it to pay off.

I agree that it would be nice to simplify it all, but it's way too late (if they had forced DOS/9x stuff to run in sandboxes w/ XP, and enforced their recommended practices wrt to installing DLLs, it could have been greatly simplified, over time, but that's water under the bridge, now), and small businesses are cheapskates, almost universally, so off-lease/refurb desktops and notebooks make far more sense all around than an XBOne.

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I was hoping this thread wouldn't derail on the first responding post.

I was wrong.

Guess so. I read the OP quite sarcastically, so I can honestly say that I didn't find any derailment at all until this reply.

Between pushing their cloud, pushing an incompatible interface that will take them multiple versions to reconcile (when they could have designed with compatibility built in, and saved everyone a lot of trouble), and licensing changes that make common SMB setups more expensive, and often much more complicated to license...Microsoft is, outside of their marketing, pretty much telling small businesses that they need to find ways to work with OS X and Linux, because they are no longer important to MS.

 

[Arkaign]

No, this is not a business machine, and businesses will not buy it.

I'd also be absolutely STUNNED if it supported domains correctly. As in, connect to a SBS 08 domain, connect to protected drive array, run content from that drive. I've built a number of machines to go into boardrooms and meeting rooms for projectors/bigscreens, and they invariably need to be able to access and share data from the companies most-used applications in a presentable fashion.

 

[Tweak155]

You know its funny, from the title I thought they meant whether it sells or not (I.E it is a justifiable loss) :biggrin:

 

[Arkaign]

You know its funny, from the title I thought they meant whether it sells or not (I.E it is a justifiable loss) :biggrin:

That's what I was thinking as well lol Then I was like 'what the hell, no way!'.

 

[smackababy]

That's what I was thinking as well lol Then I was like 'what the hell, no way!'.

Yeah, I came in here with the assumption MS beancounters were going to say "it is worth the risk putting this machine out" or something like that. But nope, we get some PR moron who thinks businesses want to use the Kinect to send emails.

Although, for a lot of everyday computer users at offices, it wouldn't be that bad to use the Xbox. But at $500, I can't see it beating out the $250 HP machines you always see. Sure, they run like crap and have 512mb of RAM in 2013, but they are so cheap, the businesses don't care.

 

[dagamer34]

No, this is not a business machine, and businesses will not buy it.

I'd also be absolutely STUNNED if it supported domains correctly. As in, connect to a SBS 08 domain, connect to protected drive array, run content from that drive. I've built a number of machines to go into boardrooms and meeting rooms for projectors/bigscreens, and they invariably need to be able to access and share data from the companies most-used applications in a presentable fashion.

So... just have a laptop wirelessly mirror the screen to the Xbox One using WiFi Direct or Miracast. Information is still 100% secure, and it's far easier to setup than fiddling with VGA cables. Why would the Xbox need to connect to any data shares? It'll be as dumb as an Apple TV receiving AirPlay content.

 

[dagamer34]

Yeah, I came in here with the assumption MS beancounters were going to say "it is worth the risk putting this machine out" or something like that. But nope, we get some PR moron who thinks businesses want to use the Kinect to send emails.

Although, for a lot of everyday computer users at offices, it wouldn't be that bad to use the Xbox. But at $500, I can't see it beating out the $250 HP machines you always see. Sure, they run like crap and have 512mb of RAM in 2013, but they are so cheap, the businesses don't care.

I'd imagine it would be in a conference room where there's a TV hooked up for video conferencing. Current solutions are stupidly expensive, an Xbox One with Kinect can be set up by anyone.

 

[Cerb]

So... just have a laptop wirelessly mirror the screen to the Xbox One using WiFi Direct or Miracast. Information is still 100% secure, and it's far easier to setup than fiddling with VGA cables. Why would the Xbox need to connect to any data shares? It'll be as dumb as an Apple TV receiving AirPlay content.

If you do that, what is the point? In that scenario, all the XBOne replaces is a single short video cable, that can be had for about $20-30 B&M (emergency BB, Staples, or Apple Store run), making it a $470 waste, plus the power it uses.

 

[Arkaign]

Heh yeah, I'm amazed that cheap computers actually seem to be getting WORSE over the years. Go to WalMart and the cheap PCs are dominated by absolute garbage like the AMD E-series chips, whereas a couple/few years back at least they had Athlon X4s/Phenom IIs/etc in the cheap systems.

I could see the Xbox One being a decent basis for a business system, but it would have to be packaged with an utterly different design emphasis. You'd need keyboard/mouse, a real Windows OS with domain support and desktop application support, etc, etc. As it is, it's clearly a game machine, with some misplaced emphasis on being a pass-through ad-box for tv/sports (I don't know a single person who GAF about that, but whatever).

It really feels like Microsoft has gotten Sony syndrome circa 2006, only worse. Bluray helped sell the PS3 to people who didn't even game SOLELY because it was the cheapest way to get a workable bluray player at the time. Even that was something of a hollow victory if you're getting your PS3s into people's homes who will never buy a single game/etc for it.

99.99999% of XB1s are going to be sold to people who want to play the XB exclusives period. The only other reason to buy them is if someone is an extreme fanboy for whatever reason. I'll probably buy one at some point because there will be great titles there that won't be anywhere else, and true gamers are NOT fanboys.

 

[Arkaign]

So... just have a laptop wirelessly mirror the screen to the Xbox One using WiFi Direct or Miracast. Information is still 100% secure, and it's far easier to setup than fiddling with VGA cables. Why would the Xbox need to connect to any data shares? It'll be as dumb as an Apple TV receiving AirPlay content.

Give it up, the XB1 will be a zero in businesses. It will almost certainly be an excellent game system, but isn't going to be found in any business outside of Microsoft (even I would be surprised if they used it in a business context).

Desktop PC or laptop + HDMI to TV + presentation mouse + webcam = the de facto standard for boardroom setups, with Apple TV from iPad being a cute toy that's rarely used.

 

[galego]

Re-read the link several times, still trying to make sense of that. I cannot even imagine a one-person business using the Xbox One at home for business stuff

Heh yeah, I'm amazed that cheap computers actually seem to be getting WORSE over the years. Go to WalMart and the cheap PCs are dominated by absolute garbage like the AMD E-series chips.

I think you did mean Intel Atoms, including the ones with deceptive 64 bits support.

 

[Cerb]

I think you did mean Intel Atoms, including the ones with deceptive 64 bits support.

They work fine in 64-bits, if you just need a terminal. But, yeah, FU to Intel for continuing to use PowerVR GPUs in PC parts. GMA500 just wasn't frustrating enough, I guess.

But anyway, I'm pretty sure he does mean AMD E-series. Many SFF PCs and AIOs are using them. I haven't seen an Atom on the shelf in quite some time.

 

[Sunburn74]

Why would it be interesting? Using office with a pad in front of a tv on a 720 screen is on a new level of stupid.

A netbook or a tablet look like better casual computing devices to me.

Well you could use a keyboard and mouse with it right? Then it doesn't sound so bad especially if all you're doing is office, web browsing, and email whilst traveling from hotel to hotel

 

[Midwayman]

I'll deduct mine on taxes.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Yea..same here. I work from home. Tax writeoff for the NSABOX!

BTW, I notice no one has mentioned who the new head of Xbox is? It is kind of odd and will be interesting to see how that works for them having a non-gamer/no game industry experience at the helm (oh and it's a girl).

http://attackofthefanboy.com/news/microsoft-names-head-xbox-division-strategy/