NFSW (very graphic) :Wikileaks releases video footage of journalist killings

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sapiens74

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My take on this awful video

My heart goes out to their families.

There was a crime committed here, but not by the folks in the helicopter or or ground forces, but by our Presidents, House and Senate which continues to go on day after day.

The guys in combat live with the fact that they are fighting forces who will hide as civilians, run behind women and children and shoot from hidden positions. If I thought someone had an RPG I would shoot as well

It saddens me how flippant they are about shooting someone, but that may be the way they deal with it or they take pleasure in it, either way its awful

Overall from this video we learned how callous we are as Americans and that our Government are corrupt murderers.
 

theflyingpig

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Yeah dude, and you know who else had the right idea? The nazis! /dripping-sarcasm

You people think you have some kind of fucking "god-given" pedestal to stand on, over the rest of the human population, but you don't.

You're one of the... What do they call them..? Oh yeah, "bad guys"!

lol. Fool. Every soldier in every war has had the same attitude since time began. The only thing dripping in your post is your ignorance. Everyone knows this.
 

fallout man

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If only someone there could have been armed with a CCW license, this never would have happened!

Silly Iraqis understand democracy and 'Murkan principles as much as an Appache gunner can discern a telephoto-lens from an AK-47.

The South shall rise again!
 

OCGuy

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What we've learned from this is that young Americans obviously have no idea what war is like.
 

fallout man

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What we've learned from this is that young Americans obviously have no idea what war is like.

Perhaps an old-salt such as yourself, wise in his ways, can clue us young-ins in? Let me guess... hemorrhoid-related deferment?
 

JS80

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You can damn well be sure the attitude of the soldiers on the front lines is: better a million Iraqis, and a million Reuters "journalists" embedded with insurgents die before one American soldier.

And if you think this is bad, go watch some video of the convoys shooting up Iraqi cars on the roads.

Amen.

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Noobtastic

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Assuming the information coming over the audio of the provided video is correct, how is the initial engagement not justifiable? They had a group armed with rifles and one man with an RPG, taking position at a corner and peeking out at apparently a small detachment of U.S. soldiers in Humvees (roughly at the 4:20 mark of the video).

If these were noncombatant Reuters staff why were they literally running around Baghdad with a bunch of men with AK-47s and an RPG? Holding a camera doesn't mean soldiers won't (or shouldn't) shoot at you.

EXACTLY.

War is always a moral outrage and innocents die, but in this particular case the soldiers acted in proper form and consistent with standard R.O.E.

The insurgents have a long history of exploiting USA's ROE, but using children in warfare, pretending to be journalists or medical workers, using protected sites - mosques, hospitals, etc - to shoot at soldiers.

All liberals should READ THE GENEVA CONVENTION.

Just because an enemy hides among civilians does not make them immune from attack. If that were the case war itself would be criminal in its entirety.

The REAL issue is rules of proportion. This isn't based on body count, but military objective.

In this particular situation, you clearly see an armed combatant. I doubt the helicopter had a clear enough view to pick-out any civilians, so they were in the right to shoot.

Now, if the helicopter was purposefully targeting civilian areas, then yes that would qualify as a war crime. Most of the time Western militaries won't target heavily-fortified insurgent outposts if their loaded with civilians.

I know in Gaza virtually all of the Hamas leadership hid under hospitals in the major cities. Even though Israel could easily level the hospitals, they chose not to because it would probably end up killed 3,000+ inhabitants.

However, the burden of guilt rests on the insurgents. They embed themselves among civilians, they are responsible for their deaths.

You can damn well be sure the attitude of the soldiers on the front lines is: better a million Iraqis, and a million Reuters "journalists" embedded with insurgents die before one American soldier.

And if you think this is bad, go watch some video of the convoys shooting up Iraqi cars on the roads.
I'm sorry, but do you know anything about a military? US soldiers don't go to Iraq to kill themselves. Americans don't have a death wish. It is the responsibility of commanders to protect their soldiers. If they don't, soldiers won't trust their leaders and they'll probably refuse orders.

Civilians are always an issue, but when it boils down to combat - the soldiers live will always take precedence over a civilian living among the enemy.

Far more Iraqis have been killed by other Iraqis than by Americans. Yesterday a suicide bomber blew himself up at a rest-area and killed ~50 people.

Overall America's performance in Iraq and Afghanistan has largely been censored, and typically journalists are embedded among the military, not the insurgents. If USA were to receive the Israeli treatment...dear god....there would not be enough flags to burn.

If YOU WANT graphic footage, go watch innocents being beheaded. Go watch videos of Saudis beheading foreigners who dare to convert out of Islam. Go watch videos of Thai soldiers being captured by Islamists, and getting their bodies chopped into pieces.

Go look at the pictures of 100,000+ pro-French Harkis who were massacred by the Leftist revolutionaries when France pulled out of Algeria.

I mean massacred. Pro-French christians and some Jews forced to eat their military decorations, then buried alive. their families murdered as well. Systematic rapes, killings, UGH DISGUSTING!

Yet no one gives a shit. They're more bothered by the innocents unfortunately killed by American soldiers, but are silent, if not indifferent, about the millions of innocent killed intentionally and deliberately by those who oppose the West.

And for the righties out their - this is not unique to Islamists. The raging Leftist Muslim communists are just as evil and wicked.
 

OCGuy

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Perhaps an old-salt such as yourself, wise in his ways, can clue us young-ins in? Let me guess... hemorrhoid-related deferment?

Or you can just pick up a book and read about civilian casualties in any war in history.

I have no sympathy for journalists running around 2007 Iraq in a hot war zone.

If they had said, "Look, those are journalists, lets wipe them out!", it would be something different.

It was a bad mistake, but still a mistake.
 

xj0hnx

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Perhaps an old-salt such as yourself, wise in his ways, can clue us young-ins in? Let me guess... hemorrhoid-related deferment?

I'll tell you. If there was a group of soldiers on a patrol, down the block, and they spotted a group gathering down the street, some carrying items that could be weapons than they are going to be engaged. Especially is one of them is seen peaking a corner towards the soldiers, and is holding an RPG, or something that appears to be an RPG.
 
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fallout man

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I'll tell you. If there was a group of soldiers on a patrol, down the block, and they spotted a group gathering down the street, some carrying items that could be weapons than they are going to be engaged. Especially is one of them is seen peaking a corner towards the soldiers, and is holding an RPG, or something that appears to be an RPG.

The above coming from someone like yourself, a card-carrying member of the P&N police brutality apologist brigade, I'm not that surprised at your assessment.

Wait, let me go ahead and pull out my "wallet..."
 

Balt

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What we've learned from this is that young Americans obviously have no idea what war is like.

Comments like this annoy me a bit. Who do you think is serving in Iraq? Baby boomers?

The current teenagers and 20-somethings of this generation get a lot of shit, often rightfully so, but let's not forget there are plenty of them over in Iraq making a lot of sacrifices.

I think the older generations can drop their 'holier than thou' attitude now, unless they served in WWII, Korea, or Vietnam.
 
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xj0hnx

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The above coming from someone like yourself, a card-carrying member of the P&N police brutality apologist brigade, I'm not that surprised at your assessment.

Wait, let me go ahead and pull out my "wallet..."

You're an idiot. Not apologist, just not a knee jerk, attack the cops, or soldiers without any proof of wrong doing shitbag like yourself. I've been on the ground in the position that the troops down the road were in, and would have been damn glad to have a chopper crew like that pulling security.
 

Fox5

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Why did the rules of engagement call for the van to be fire upon? Wouldn't that fall more along the lines of a medic?
 

fallout man

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You're an idiot. Not apologist, just not a knee jerk, attack the cops, or soldiers without any proof of wrong doing shitbag like yourself. I've been on the ground in the position that the troops down the road were in, and would have been damn glad to have a chopper crew like that pulling security.

HURR DURR.

I'm so glad to be paying your salary. D:

Please consider angst-counseling. I wouldn't want an unstable clown-motherfucker like you living withing 500 yards of me.
 

xj0hnx

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Why did the rules of engagement call for the van to be fire upon? Wouldn't that fall more along the lines of a medic?

Because they are fellow insurgents coming to collect up the weapons to be used again, and gather the bodies of their commorades.
 

xj0hnx

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HURR DURR.

I'm so glad to be paying your salary. D:

Please consider angst-counseling.

No angst here, stop projecting. You don't know me, but typical of the spineless loony left, you make assumptions, and spout off a bunch of shit from the safety of your keyboard.
 

Ozoned

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The above coming from someone like yourself, a card-carrying member of the P&N police brutality apologist brigade, I'm not that surprised at your assessment.

Wait, let me go ahead and pull out my "wallet..."

The position you take in this thread is not based upon anything that you can readily discern in the video.

As intended, the story had to be explained to you, and to appeal to your emotions, to get the reaction you have.

I agree with the more intelligent posters here,,,,,shit happens...
 

kylebisme

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The position you take in this thread is not based upon anything that you can readily discern in the video.
The fact that those people were casually minding their own business when our troops slaughter them along with the good Samaritan who stopped to help them is plainly obvious in that video, while your position here is based on nothing but abject denial of that documented reality.
 

theflyingpig

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The fact that those people were casually minding their own business when our troops slaughter them along with the good Samaritan who stopped to help them is plainly obvious in that video, while your position here is based on nothing but abject denial of that documented reality.

lol. Your entire posting history is based on abject denial of documented reality.
 

Sclamoz

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The fact that those people were casually minding their own business when our troops slaughter them along with the good Samaritan who stopped to help them is plainly obvious in that video, while your position here is based on nothing but abject denial of that documented reality.

Casually minding their own business carrying weapons in a warzone, and just happen to be right near were American Soldiers were taking fire from.
 

fallout man

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The fact that those people were casually minding their own business when our troops slaughter them along with the good Samaritan who stopped to help them is plainly obvious in that video, while your position here is based on nothing but abject denial of that documented reality.

lol. Your entire posting history is based on abject denial of documented reality.

Casually minding their own business carrying weapons in a warzone, which just just happens to be right near were American Soldiers were taking fire from.

At the ultimate end, there is only ONE Judge and Jury.

Some of you should be embarrassed at yourselves.