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Nforce 4 related rumors on the INQ

flexy

flexy

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Nf4 on Oct 21 ?

Ok..reading about a SHORTAGE of NV45 (6800U PciE) really p*sses me off - because that board is worthless without the appropriate PciE card...and, seeing that the PciE version of the 6800 will be the Ultra AND there's a shortage probably means it will be VERY, VERY expensive.

And i cannot use my 9800 Pro as a temp solution since we wont have AGP....

* the second link
No Soundstorm ?

Yes i know, its old news.

But it strikes me as odd that we have unnecessary features on these boards (WiFI ?? Why would i need a wireless NIC on a desktop, Firewire and who knows what else....but THEN, after paying PROBABLY $180 or so for the board you have to get an additional soundcard because the onboard sound might not be that good.

I dont think these are good rumors - every day it looks that NF4 gets more and more expensive. (Assuming you plan to get NF4 w/ 6800 PciE like i do)
 
Firewire isn't useless.
There's nothing wrong with a wireless NIC on a desktop. I hate dealing with cables; wireless is great.

There will probably be a few manufacturers who don't incorporate these features, so you can get a cheaper motherboard.
 
Pfft Creative really sucks... I'd take on-board anyday.

What I want to see a ethusiast motherboard

-Plenty room around the socket. Ability to fit huge heatsinks such as the XP-120
-Good layouts, that both will work great including backwards cases like the Lian Li V-XXXX
-Native Serial ATA, Native Gigabit Ethernet. I hate it when my computer comes to a halt because I am transfering files.


Those are my big points... Wireless is stupid IMHO, I do support Firewire though.
 
Originally posted by: Tabb
Pfft Creative really sucks... I'd take on-board anyday.
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Seriously, what's wrong with Creative? Other than the lack of DICE, they have one of the highest SNRs on the market as far as consumer cards go, the best support for 3D sound APIs, good prices(Audigy 2 ZS Gamer's edition, $55), and even a fricken Firewire port. Even their drivers are good these days, what more could you ask for?
 
creative = better for gaming
m-audio = better for audiophile and listening to music

besides taht, the higher end cards are both top notch. no matter what you do, they still sound extremely great, crisp, and clear. they are also better then the general onboard audio most motherboards have (besides soundstorm).
 
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-Plenty room around the socket. Ability to fit huge heatsinks such as the XP-120
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word.

Btw. i take a good onboard sound ANYTIME over firewire and Wifi. And yes, they could also dump parallel, serial and the floppy...

IDE would probably still make sense because MANY people proably still run on IDE, and just for the sake of also copying from an old IDE to SATA you might want to have a IDE port just in case.


Its bad enough that i cannot use my 9800 Pro as temporary solution on the upcoming boards (no AGP !)....basically am being forced to buy a expensive NV45 PciE, even if there's a "shortage" and probably prices will be jacked up like CRAZY. This card might be WELL over $500. ($499 MSRP according to INQ....so do the math...)



 
Originally posted by: ViRGE
Originally posted by: Tabb
Pfft Creative really sucks... I'd take on-board anyday.
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Seriously, what's wrong with Creative? Other than the lack of DICE encoding, they have one of the highest SNRs on the market as far as consumer cards go, the best support for 3D sound APIs, good prices(Audigy 2 ZS Gamer's edition, $55), and even a fricken Firewire port. Even their [drivers are good these days, what more could you ask for?
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You're joking right? I can't even install my fricken drivers without creative's auto update tell me they are corrupt! These are from their own fricken CD!
 
Originally posted by: flexy
basically am being forced to buy a expensive NV45 PciE, even if there's a "shortage" and probably prices will be jacked up like CRAZY. This card might be WELL over $500. ($499 MSRP according to INQ....so do the math...)
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I don't know what makes you think there isn't a shortage. Have you tried to find a good supply of AGP 6800U's or X800XT PE's? You can't, there's a shortage; Newegg has a single 6800U, and no XT PE's.
 
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: ViRGE
Originally posted by: Tabb
Pfft Creative really sucks... I'd take on-board anyday.
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Seriously, what's wrong with Creative? Other than the lack of DICE encoding, they have one of the highest SNRs on the market as far as consumer cards go, the best support for 3D sound APIs, good prices(Audigy 2 ZS Gamer's edition, $55), and even a fricken Firewire port. Even their [drivers are good these days, what more could you ask for?
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You're joking right? I can't even install my fricken drivers without creative's auto update tell me they are corrupt! These are from their own fricken CD!
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What are you doing even installing CD drivers? Just grab the ones from their website, they're newer anyhow. All the CD is good for is the applications at this point.
 
Then don't buy an nforce4 with pcie.
Worried about upgrade path? I wouldn't, you'll be buying an nforce5 board before a video card comes out that takes advantage of the extra bandwidth.
Want sli? you'll have to wait until next year anyway.

 
we do a LOT of waiting recently.

And *if* stuff is out then its usually in limited quantities and and at insane prices.
(I read a nice rant about this recent waiting game over at the INQ too a few days ago....so i know i am not alone...)
 
Originally posted by: ViRGE
Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: ViRGE
Originally posted by: Tabb
Pfft Creative really sucks... I'd take on-board anyday.
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Seriously, what's wrong with Creative? Other than the lack of DICE encoding, they have one of the highest SNRs on the market as far as consumer cards go, the best support for 3D sound APIs, good prices(Audigy 2 ZS Gamer's edition, $55), and even a fricken Firewire port. Even their [drivers are good these days, what more could you ask for?
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You're joking right? I can't even install my fricken drivers without creative's auto update tell me they are corrupt! These are from their own fricken CD!
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What are you doing even installing CD drivers? Just grab the ones from their website, they're newer anyhow. All the CD is good for is the applications at this point.
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coaster!
 
Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
most gamers have a sound card anyways (some form of Audigy) so that's not a big deal if that's what you get the board for...
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i haven't had any form of a soundblaster since Nforce2...
 
To all of you who like soundstorm: how many of you don't use the analog channels? They sound like complete crap to me compared to my terratec card. I'd take a 5% hit in games for better sound any day.

<--- a7n8xe deluxe owner
 
Are there any advantages with NF4 vs NF3?
I'm currently on an MSI K8N Neo2 Plat. and was wondering when more socket 939 boards will hit the market.I'm not unhappy with the MSI,but I'd like to see more variety/options available.Currently A64 S939 owners are stuck with a choice of a few boards.
Having just invested in an AGP 6800GT,I'm not looking for PCI-E or SLI setups either.
It seems to me that the S939 avenue is not being aggressively pursued by the MB makers.
Just look at DFI for example.Introduced a LanParty Ultra-D back on 4 June and it's now nudging on November and still nothing from them.
To further limit choices for myself,I refuse to touch anything related to VIA ever again for as long as I live.
That basically narrows it down to Nvidia.The current boars are all quirky to say the least,even my MSI.Sure it functions,but it doesn't pack the same punch that my old Abit's and ASUS's from BX,845,865 era.I was really hoping that DFI would release their S939 NF3 or 4 solution,but nothing.
I have to honestly say that I'm really starting to regret even going AMD this time around.
All my researching led me to believe A64 S939 would be the best avenue to go preformance and upgrade wise,but perconal experience now with such a system is that there isn't really an appreciable performance increase from my prior P4 2.26 on Abit 845 chipset and a Ti-4400 128MB.Sure it's a bit quicker,but you can thank the 6800GT and faster,tighter timed memory(Corsair XMS3200XL) for most of it.But you know,my prior rig ran FarCry,Joint Ops,LOMAC just dandy although not at high settings.
I honestly wished I had opted to go Intel.
And could care less about overclocking.I expect the performance to be there in stock form when I upgrade.Also all the benchmarking comparo's done between Intel &amp; AMD do not always translate to real world function or perception.
Anyways,I'm hoping better MB solutions will be available for S939 soon that will exploit the supposed "high performances" of my AMD64 3500 and low latency memory a bit better.
So far I'm not as impressed with my current system as I should be.
 
Originally posted by: Subhuman25
Are there any advantages with NF4 vs NF3?
I'm currently on an MSI K8N Neo2 Plat. and was wondering when more socket 939 boards will hit the market.I'm not unhappy with the MSI,but I'd like to see more variety/options available.Currently A64 S939 owners are stuck with a choice of a few boards.
Having just invested in an AGP 6800GT,I'm not looking for PCI-E or SLI setups either.
It seems to me that the S939 avenue is not being aggressively pursued by the MB makers.
Just look at DFI for example.Introduced a LanParty Ultra-D back on 4 June and it's now nudging on November and still nothing from them.
To further limit choices for myself,I refuse to touch anything related to VIA ever again for as long as I live.
That basically narrows it down to Nvidia.The current boars are all quirky to say the least,even my MSI.Sure it functions,but it doesn't pack the same punch that my old Abit's and ASUS's from BX,845,865 era.I was really hoping that DFI would release their S939 NF3 or 4 solution,but nothing.
I have to honestly say that I'm really starting to regret even going AMD this time around.
All my researching led me to believe A64 S939 would be the best avenue to go preformance and upgrade wise,but perconal experience now with such a system is that there isn't really an appreciable performance increase from my prior P4 2.26 on Abit 845 chipset and a Ti-4400 128MB.Sure it's a bit quicker,but you can thank the 6800GT and faster,tighter timed memory(Corsair XMS3200XL) for most of it.But you know,my prior rig ran FarCry,Joint Ops,LOMAC just dandy although not at high settings.
I honestly wished I had opted to go Intel.
And could care less about overclocking.I expect the performance to be there in stock form when I upgrade.Also all the benchmarking comparo's done between Intel &amp; AMD do not always translate to real world function or perception.
Anyways,I'm hoping better MB solutions will be available for S939 soon that will exploit the supposed "high performances" of my AMD64 3500 and low latency memory a bit better.
So far I'm not as impressed with my current system as I should be.
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Interesting. I have a P4 2.66Ghz system with Radeon 9700 pro that is 2 years old and I was thinking about upgrading to an A64 system. I was torn between upgrading now or later in about 6 months, but after reading your post, it may be wiser for me to wait another 6 months.

 
First of all, the boards won't cost $180 aside from *maybe* the uber high end ones.

The lack of SS is disappointing, but unconfirmed. Even if it's true, this will be the AMD platform of choice.
 
Originally posted by: Dacalo
Originally posted by: Subhuman25
Are there any advantages with NF4 vs NF3?
I'm currently on an MSI K8N Neo2 Plat. and was wondering when more socket 939 boards will hit the market.I'm not unhappy with the MSI,but I'd like to see more variety/options available.Currently A64 S939 owners are stuck with a choice of a few boards.
Having just invested in an AGP 6800GT,I'm not looking for PCI-E or SLI setups either.
It seems to me that the S939 avenue is not being aggressively pursued by the MB makers.
Just look at DFI for example.Introduced a LanParty Ultra-D back on 4 June and it's now nudging on November and still nothing from them.
To further limit choices for myself,I refuse to touch anything related to VIA ever again for as long as I live.
That basically narrows it down to Nvidia.The current boars are all quirky to say the least,even my MSI.Sure it functions,but it doesn't pack the same punch that my old Abit's and ASUS's from BX,845,865 era.I was really hoping that DFI would release their S939 NF3 or 4 solution,but nothing.
I have to honestly say that I'm really starting to regret even going AMD this time around.
All my researching led me to believe A64 S939 would be the best avenue to go preformance and upgrade wise,but perconal experience now with such a system is that there isn't really an appreciable performance increase from my prior P4 2.26 on Abit 845 chipset and a Ti-4400 128MB.Sure it's a bit quicker,but you can thank the 6800GT and faster,tighter timed memory(Corsair XMS3200XL) for most of it.But you know,my prior rig ran FarCry,Joint Ops,LOMAC just dandy although not at high settings.
I honestly wished I had opted to go Intel.
And could care less about overclocking.I expect the performance to be there in stock form when I upgrade.Also all the benchmarking comparo's done between Intel &amp; AMD do not always translate to real world function or perception.
Anyways,I'm hoping better MB solutions will be available for S939 soon that will exploit the supposed "high performances" of my AMD64 3500 and low latency memory a bit better.
So far I'm not as impressed with my current system as I should be.
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Interesting. I have a P4 2.66Ghz system with Radeon 9700 pro that is 2 years old and I was thinking about upgrading to an A64 system. I was torn between upgrading now or later in about 6 months, but after reading your post, it may be wiser for me to wait another 6 months.
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If I had to do it over again I'd wait a bit longer until the A64 platforms are matured and also the 6800 series vidcards.A couple more months and you'll be looking at far more competitive pricing as well.
Your system is fine for running just about anything out as far as gaming goes.Upgrading now will only disappoint you as far as everyday applications and surfing goes.
It's always that way man.Just look at past chipsets/processors/vidcards.The best came in well after those items matured.I jumped on the bandwagon too soon this time.Don't get me wrong though,I appreciate the smoothness at high settings now,but it's just not the jump I expected.And we're talking about a P4 2.26 533Mhz FSB,not even 800Mhz.Truly though,I think my major improvement noticed stems from the video card mostly and then from memory secondly,not so much the CPU itself or even the higher FSB associated with it.
What you could do to improve upon your current system is upgrade the video card to either 6800GT or the ATI X800(I think it's the equivalent) and maybe increase memory if you don't already have 1 GB.
That should be noticable.And then in a few months when there are more "mature" solutions for the AMD64 and the prices are more appetizing,you can do the motherboard/CPU/case/PSU/memory upgrade and transfer your video card into the new rig,replacing your current card into your current system and either sell it as whole or keep it as a back-up/networked system.
 
Originally posted by: flexy
>>
-Plenty room around the socket. Ability to fit huge heatsinks such as the XP-120
>>

word.

Btw. i take a good onboard sound ANYTIME over firewire and Wifi. And yes, they could also dump parallel, serial and the floppy... <----Hell yeah



IDE would probably still make sense because MANY people proably still run on IDE, and just for the sake of also copying from an old IDE to SATA you might want to have a IDE port just in case.

Dude, Optical drives are still 90% IDE with the exception of some scsi and I'm not sure if the SATA ones are out yet
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