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NFL's Top 100 players of all time...

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Seems like an alright list to me actually besides all the QB listings... Manning being too high on the list. Elway and Marino got shafted, and Troy Aikman got REALLY shafted...#80? Damn. I guess 3 Superbowls don't account for too much.
 
John Elway should have been #2, he is the best QB of all time. Barry Sanders should have been top 10 and Joe Montana should have been in the 40s.

Everyone knows Montana was a product of a system with the GOAT too. I could have won a superbowl as the 49ers QB
 
1, 4 & 7 I can all agree with :awe:

But seriously, there'll never be a clear cut #1 player of all time, there are too many variables and it's always debatable. Hell you have the same problem just trying to compare who's the best player ever at a position let a lone a whole team of all time. (I'm biased as a 9er fan but Jerry is about as close as it gets for best ever at a given position)
 
Oh and Barry he was a work of art to watch run the ball. Once in a life time do you see something like that.
 
geno said:
Even as a Colts fan, you have to admit that's a tad overrated.
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Pfft, as a non-colts fan I think he should be #1. The only reason he isn't #1 is because he is still in the league and analysts have a hardon for retired players.
 
RPD said:
Oh and Barry he was a work of art to watch run the ball. Once in a life time do you see something like that.
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I think you answered your own question then. Can you think of anyone at any time in the league that made everyone inside and outside the league go, HOLY FUCK THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE!?!? I would have no problem pegging him as the greatest athlete of all time in ANY sport.
 
Kev said:
Pfft, as a non-colts fan I think he should be #1. The only reason he isn't #1 is because he is still in the league and analysts have a hardon for retired players.
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Maybe #2 QB. Elway was better, and inasely better under pressure.
 
imported_Champ said:
John Elway should have been #2, he is the best QB of all time. Barry Sanders should have been top 10 and Joe Montana should have been in the 40s.

Everyone knows Montana was a product of a system with the GOAT too. I could have won a superbowl as the 49ers QB
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Manning above Elway and Marino makes this list fail.
 
dainthomas said:
Manning above Elway and Marino makes this list fail.
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Agreed.

Elway is clearly the best QB ever. 5 super bowls, 3 of which he single handedly carried his team to. Single handedly. The two he had a team around him, he won.

However I think Manning is right behind Elway and ahead of Marino. He has a ring any way.
 
AMDZen said:
Agreed.

Elway is clearly the best QB ever. 5 super bowls, 3 of which he single handedly carried his team to. Single handedly. The two he had a team around him, he won.

However I think Manning is right behind Elway and ahead of Marino. He has a ring any way.
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so true. It was never his fault that the Broncos got 50+ points scored on them in the SB, when he finally had a team he was unstoppable
 
BeauJangles said:
edit: I'm just talking about the top-10. Clearly all of these players are among the greatest ever.

The list is good, but I have some issues with it.

#1, Peyton Manning is awesome, but he doesn't belong on this list. Not by a mile.

Guys like Bart Starr, Otto Graham, Joe Montana, Roger Staubach, and Johnny Unitas (yes, here's on there) all, IMO, belong on the list before Manning does. That doesn't take away from how unbelievable good he is, but I think that it's a little biased to hop him up there over some of these other guys who (a) didn't play indoors and (b) played under rules that make their numbers and accomplishments more impressive.

Even guys like Sid Luckman and Sammy Baugh (both pre-modern) belong on there before Peyton. Luckman in particular... he is still #2 all-time in YPA, despite playing in an age when receivers got murdered and running dominated offenses.

Butkus definitely doesn't belong on there and Peyton, while he was amazing, should take a back seat to some other players.

Jerry Rice shouldn't be #1. Sorry, he was an amazingly dominant receiver (probably the second most dominant ever), but there are other positions that are far more valuable to a football team.
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I don't know what the hell to say if you think Peyton Manning isn't one of the top 100 players. He's a 6'6" Offensive Coordinator. You've got some valid points but saying he's not in the top 100 is dead wrong and negates anything else you might say.


Bushwicktrini said:
While I'm a defense guy ( LT #3 yes) I have to still say most fans are insane with the rankings. The top ten NFL players according to the fans are ALL OFFENSEIVE players?!?!? Emmit Smith over LT? or Reggie White? that is just crazy. And how the hell is Brett Favre #6? over Elway and Marino and JIM BROWN?!? Brett " I can't make up my mind" Favre over the greatest running back to play the game? Some of those fans are crazy.
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Fans are morons. I'm a Cowboy fan and you are absolutely right that LT should be ahead of Emmit Smith.


It's absolutely stupefying that Favre is ahead of Elway. Also, Ray Lewis at 18? 18? Are you fucking kidding me? Ray Lewis is ahead of Mike Singletary and Deion Sanders? What the hell ever.
 
dainthomas said:
Because they are better. Especially Elway. I don't know how you could objectively argue otherwise, but you're welcome to try.

Maybe in the next 10-15 years Manning will do something to prove himself better, but definitely not at this point.
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LOL! Elway has one thing Manning doesn't -- a second Super Bowl trophy. If you want to analyze each by their awards and statistics (ie, objectively), Manning destroys Elway and it isn't even remotely close:

1. Manning has had 9 seasons (9!!!!!) with a QB rating higher than Elway's BEST (BEST!!!!) year. Elway's career rating is a very pedestrian 79.9, while Manning's is 95.5.

2. Elway has 300 TDs and 226 INTs for a ratio of 1.32 in 16 seasons. Manning? In 12.5 seasons, 381 TDs and 183 INTs for a ratio of 2.08.

3. Manning: 52,312 yds in 12.5 seasons. Elway: 51,475 yards in 16 seasons.

4. Career completion %? Manning: 64.8 Elway: 56.9

5. Manning has been to more Pro Bowls, has been named an All Pro more, AND is a 4 time MVP. The only 4 time MVP in history, actually.

6. Career winning percentage: Elway: 64% Manning: 68%

There are other stats I can show as well, but they all paint the same picture -- Manning is statistically far superior to Elway. Elway isn't "objectively" better by any stretch of your wildest imagination. A better athlete than Manning? Definitely. A better QB? The stats paint a far different picture, and that is an "objective" argument.
 
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I think Peyton best ability is to work with whatever the hell he has and still be successful.

they lost olinemen, wr, rb but Peyton keeps on chugging along with whoever is in there.
 
I'm surprised to see LT as number 3 but I'm also happy. I remember he had some bad first halves but went into the locker room and snorted an 8-ball and then came out and devoured the opponents offense.
 
As a Steeler fan I think Manning is the best QB to ever play. The # of rings argument doesn't fly either, because Trent Dilfer and Doug Williams won more rings than Dan Marino did.
 
IndyColtsFan said:
LOL! Elway has one thing Manning doesn't -- a second Super Bowl trophy. If you want to analyze each by their awards and statistics (ie, objectively), Manning destroys Elway and it isn't even remotely close:

1. Manning has had 9 seasons (9!!!!!) with a QB rating higher than Elway's BEST (BEST!!!!) year. Elway's career rating is a very pedestrian 79.9, while Manning's is 95.5.

2. Elway has 300 TDs and 226 INTs for a ratio of 1.32 in 16 seasons. Manning? In 12.5 seasons, 381 TDs and 183 INTs for a ratio of 2.08.

3. Manning: 52,312 yds in 12.5 seasons. Elway: 51,475 yards in 16 seasons.

4. Career completion %? Manning: 64.8 Elway: 56.9

5. Manning has been to more Pro Bowls, has been named an All Pro more, AND is a 4 time MVP. The only 4 time MVP in history, actually.

6. Career winning percentage: Elway: 64% Manning: 68%

There are other stats I can show as well, but they all paint the same picture -- Manning is statistically far superior to Elway. Elway isn't "objectively" better by any stretch of your wildest imagination. A better athlete than Manning? Definitely. A better QB? The stats paint a far different picture, and that is an "objective" argument.
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A lot of that is interesting, but doesn't come close to meaning much in the end outside of numbers. Most of Elways years were spent with a TERRIBLE team, particularly surrounding him on offense. Putting up even respectable numbers with that 2nd-rate group is really impressive.

I'm not gonna pick one over the other, but those stats will lie because they're so skewed by the talent surrounding the QB. Can't establish a run? Extra coverage on recievers. Can't hold the O-line? Less fractions of time to get out and find a target downfield. WR not that athletic or talented? Might not be in the right spot in the route or blow it completely.

I will say that I would doubt that many QB's could do what Elway did with the ragtags. I'm a Dallas guy, but I don't think that Aikman with 3 superbowls is better than Elway or could even have equaled him on those teams. He was a pocket QB, not a run and gun master.
 
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