NFLPA Has Screwed us again

[ElFenix]

and when the owners voted 2 days ago, and the players have said nothing will happend till monday at the earliest, what's your excuse for them doing jack and shit about it till then.

they need time to pour over the 1000 pages that the owners approved of?

this isn't like the congress, they can't just pass it to see what's in it. we're talking about important things like football.

 

[lupi]

that's assuming there wasn't a legion of lawyers making documents as they went and several owners have stated before the left for their vote that they had a handshake agreement with the nflpa over the new contract.

 

[BoomerD]

that's assuming there wasn't a legion of lawyers making documents as they went and several owners have stated before the left for their vote that they had a handshake agreement with the nflpa over the new contract.

Hell, I've negotiated far less detailed bargaining agreements that still had to be ratified by the members. Often, the agreement had to be gone over with explanations, line by line, then again and again...
The players are about to vote on a 10 year contract...it's in their best interest to go through it with a fine-tooth comb before signing.

When you get right down to the "real nitty-gritty," it's the owners who have screwed the fans...not the players. The players didn't strike...the owners locked them out rather than continue negotiations.

 

[Deeko]

Hell, I've negotiated far less detailed bargaining agreements that still had to be ratified by the members. Often, the agreement had to be gone over with explanations, line by line, then again and again...
The players are about to vote on a 10 year contract...it's in their best interest to go through it with a fine-tooth comb before signing.

When you get right down to the "real nitty-gritty," it's the owners who have screwed the fans...not the players. The players didn't strike...the owners locked them out rather than continue negotiations.

The fans aren't screwed unless we miss a regular season game, which we won't. And when it comes down to it, if the owners aren't making money, and some smaller teams go out of business...well, then the people of Buffalo, Jacksonville, San Diego, etc are REALLY screwed.

 

[guyver01]

US? who's US?
i haven't been screwed by them.

 

[FallenHero]

Hell, I've negotiated far less detailed bargaining agreements that still had to be ratified by the members. Often, the agreement had to be gone over with explanations, line by line, then again and again...
The players are about to vote on a 10 year contract...it's in their best interest to go through it with a fine-tooth comb before signing.

When you get right down to the "real nitty-gritty," it's the owners who have screwed the fans...not the players. The players didn't strike...the owners locked them out rather than continue negotiations.

This. The majority of AT goers fail to grasp unions, negotiations, and work contracts. They are complex and little changes in them can have huge impacts...a 10 year contract is MASSIVE. It will define how the union and league interact with each other for the next 10 years. Any arbitration hearings or court rulings go almost solely off of that contact and it's wording. Let them take their time...the owners locked them out, they aren't on strike. If they think they aren't getting a fair shake, then they should not ratify it. If they are getting a fair deal, they will approve it. Just because the owners released a timeline doesn't make it so until the players agree.

 

[lupi]

if the nflpa had showed up to do some negotiation before most of their court attempts backfired on them then there wouldn't be such a need for a timetable. yet another reason they have tried to screw "us".

 

[sdifox]

if the nflpa had showed up to do some negotiation before most of their court attempts backfired on them then there wouldn't be such a need for a timetable. yet another reason they have tried to screw "us".

Labour dispute between team owners and players. How is that screwing you exactly?

 

[IAteYourMother]

labour dispute between team owners and players. How is that screwing you exactly?

he won't get to see the hall of fame game

WAAAHH

 

[FallenHero]

if the nflpa had showed up to do some negotiation before most of their court attempts backfired on them then there wouldn't be such a need for a timetable. yet another reason they have tried to screw "us".

Did the NFLPA send reps over to kick your dog or something? You have yet to state anything regarding them screwing you or us over in general.

Furthermore, the court ruling issued went both ways. It screwed the Players in that it allowed the lockout to continue until sept 11th...then the lockout would have to end...on the scheduled first game of the season, thus screwing the owners as well as it would open them up to all sorts of liability.

 

[sdifox]

he won't get to see the hall of fame game

WAAAHH

Did the NFLPA send reps over to kick your dog or something? You have yet to state anything regarding them screwing you or us over in general.

Furthermore, the court ruling issued went both ways. It screwed the Players in that it allowed the lockout to continue until sept 11th...then the lockout would have to end...on the scheduled first game of the season, thus screwing the owners as well as it would open them up to all sorts of liability.

me think this is oddly appropriate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4hPii_RVHE

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

If the NFLPA and NFL can't put a deal together before the season starts I can see networks rescheduling a LOT of college games over to Sunday and Monday.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Its easy to make someone's argument look incorrect when you take their points out of context and twist their words to mean other things. Your replies to me are quite disingenuous, and as such there is no point in discussing this with you, so this will be my last reply to you.

The players know what is in the agreement. They are stalling for the sake of stalling at this point. It does not take five days to read an agreement that you spent 4 months building. Not to mention the public attitudes so many of them have displayed this week. They're being assholes, plain and simple. Have a good night.

Wow. Its easy to make yourself look like an asshole when you try to simplify things like you did. No one twisted shit, you just have a stupid viewpoint. You also completely ignore the vitriolic manner in which the owners approached the players on various occasions (many of the players know the history of how the owner's have treated them). You single out the dumbfuck players but seemingly don't have a problem with people like Richardson.

Not only that, but Goodell has been a two-faced asshole to the players basically from the start. He's shown inconsistency and only panders to a topic when it basically reaches the breaking point (concussions and player safety). And fining Chad Johnson similar amounts for wearing a hat on the sidelines as when Harrison makes disparaging remarks while admitting he's trying to hurt people after he gets fined for dirty hits is just plain fucked up.

The owner's won't even address stuff like the blackouts which only hurt fans, or shit like the NFL Network. Or what about the anti-competitive merchandise licensing? That's all before you delve into the shit the individual owner's pull.

This. The majority of AT goers fail to grasp unions, negotiations, and work contracts. They are complex and little changes in them can have huge impacts...a 10 year contract is MASSIVE. It will define how the union and league interact with each other for the next 10 years. Any arbitration hearings or court rulings go almost solely off of that contact and it's wording. Let them take their time...the owners locked them out, they aren't on strike. If they think they aren't getting a fair shake, then they should not ratify it. If they are getting a fair deal, they will approve it. Just because the owners released a timeline doesn't make it so until the players agree.

No shit. I have no idea why people think the players should have signed that basically immediately.

if the nflpa had showed up to do some negotiation before most of their court attempts backfired on them then there wouldn't be such a need for a timetable. yet another reason they have tried to screw "us".

Maybe if the owner's had been serious about negotiating from the start it would never have gotten to this point? You do know the owner's were just as much to blame about not negotiating, right? How you can't see that they're the ones that held up things from the start is just baffling.

 

[ElFenix]

if the nflpa had showed up to do some negotiation before most of their court attempts backfired on them then there wouldn't be such a need for a timetable. yet another reason they have tried to screw "us".

they won by far the most important court case, denying the owners the TV money for next season.

 

[lupi]

Maybe if the owner's had been serious about negotiating from the start it would never have gotten to this point? You do know the owner's were just as much to blame about not negotiating, right? How you can't see that they're the ones that held up things from the start is just baffling.

you mean like when the owners submitted a new propsoal the final day before the lockout started and the pa just decided to walk out and not comment on it.

 

[lupi]

they won by far the most important court case, denying the owners the TV money for next season.

that being about the only court case they won, and while the owners would have like to have that one, sure they are happy about winning all the others.

 

[lupi]

If the NFLPA and NFL can't put a deal together before the season starts I can see networks rescheduling a LOT of college games over to Sunday and Monday.

won't get that far, nflpa already playing with fire on lossing the money for the first preseason week, if it goes to regular season they will start taking a big hit.

 

[sdifox]

won't get that far, nflpa already playing with fire on lossing the money for the first preseason week, if it goes to regular season they will start taking a big hit.

not as big as the owners will though.

I love seeing rich people not getting want they want.

 

[BoomerD]

Lupi can start breathing again...


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/sh...yers-owners-expected-to-announ?urn=nfl-wp3768

Labor update: Players, owners expected to announce a new deal on Monday

We always want to be cautious about these reports, because the news is so big and we've been fooled before by the complexity of the process. However, there are too many reliable sources out there telling us this to avoid disbelief anymore:

On Monday, the lockout that has been on since March 12 will come to an end.

Between Yahoo's own Jason Cole, NFL.com's Albert "Stakeout" Breer, and the crew over at ESPN (John Clayton, Chris Mortensen, Adam Schefter), the news gets happier and happier wherever you look. Mort first reported that the two sides worked through several of the remaining deal points (seen here), Breer was on the scene in Washington, D.C. to report on the dialogue between the members of the NFLPA's executive committee, and then, the movement toward a new deal between players and owners that could have a deal signed by the players on Tuesday — we already know that the owners ratified their own proposal last week, and the ham-fisted way they went about making that known put the process back a couple of days .

And on Sunday, Schefter reported the news we've all been waiting for — there is a deal in principle, and we can all expect a Monday press conference with major news.

The NFL's players association and owners groups have reached agreement on the remaining points needed in their 10-year labor deal, sources from both sides said.

Despite the fact the new agreement will require a majority vote from the players, that part of the deal between the two sides is considered a formality, according to sources.

The NFLPA is making plans for a major press conference Monday. But first the player reps' executive committee is scheduled to fly to Washington, D.C., on Sunday so they can vote Monday.

Just as the NFL would not have called a vote Thursday in Atlanta without knowing it would pass in the way it did -- 31-0 with one abstention -- the NFLPA would also not be going forward without that assurance.

The remaining issues on the table were apparently worked through (or close to completion) on Saturday — among others, the resistance of certain plaintiffs in the Brady v. NFL lawsuit to sign off on a new CBA, the payment of $320 million in lost 2010 benefits to the NFLPA in exchange for a settlement in the lockout insurance case, whether players would receive the franchise tag just once in their careers, and whether the players would have an opt-out clause after seven years in the new 10-year agreement.

The next point at issue is for the NFLPA to recertify as a union, which the NFL has reportedly agreed to facilitate by opening team facilities on Tuesday so that players can come in and sign their voting cards. A majority of 51 percent is required for that to happen. Once the NFLPA recertifies, other deal points can finally be put to bed — things like the new drug policy, testing for HGH, and the particulars of the player discipline policy. That last point may be a bit thorny, because the players' side wants more of a voice in the appeal process. However, at this point, it's tough to imagine any small point getting in the way of this momentum.

To keep the preseason on track and starting Aug. 11 (with the Aug. 7 Hall of Fame game already cancelled), NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith have agreed to move forward with the agreement schedule on a parallel line with the union negotiations, speaking to the environment of trust that has developed between the two men despite the adversarial process.

If all of these points go through without a hitch, the league year could begin on Wednesday, with free agency starting that same day, and training camps ready to go by the weekend.

There's a lot left to get done, but this looks like the Big One — the news we've been hoping for all along. We appear to be mere days away from real, actual football.

As always, we'll keep you posted with updates as events dictate.

 

[Deeko]

No one twisted shit, you just have a stupid viewpoint.

Read harder next time, kid.

 

[BoomerD]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-nfllabor

AP Sources: NFL, players set on terms of deal

WASHINGTON (AP)—NFL owners and players agreed early Monday to the terms of a deal to end the lockout, and players were expected to begin their voting process later in the day, two people familiar with the negotiations told The Associated Press.

The people spoke on condition of anonymity because the process was supposed to remain secret and no formal announcement had been made.

Members of the NFL Players Association’s executive committee met at the group’s headquarters in Washington and were presented with the finalized agreement. NFLPA president Kevin Mawae(notes) arrived shortly after 9:30 a.m., and a conference call for player leadership began at about 11 a.m.

Owners overwhelmingly approved a proposal last week, but some unresolved issues still needed to be reviewed to satisfy players; the owners do not need to vote again.

The sides worked through the weekend and wrapped up the details Monday morning on a final pact that is for 10 years, without an opt-out clause, one of the people told the AP.

Owners decided in 2008 to opt out of the league’s old labor contract, which expired this March. That’s when the owners locked out the players, creating the NFL’s first work stoppage since 1987.

“We have every reason to believe it’s going to be a good day,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello wrote in an email to the AP on Monday.

If players sign off on the agreement, a tentative timeline would allow NFL clubs to start signing 2011 draft picks and rookie free agents on Tuesday. Conversations with veteran free agents also could start Tuesday, and signings could begin Friday.

Under that schedule, training camps would open for 10 of the 32 teams on Wednesday, 10 teams on Thursday, another 10 teams on Friday, and the last two teams on Sunday.

Should the players’ executive committee vote to accept the deal, it then would go to the 32 team representatives to approve, perhaps later Monday. The 10 named plaintiffs in the players’ lawsuit against the league—including Tom Brady(notes), Peyton Manning(notes) and Drew Brees(notes)—must officially inform the court in Minneapolis of their approval, too.

Even after that, while training camps would be opened, a formal collective bargaining agreement can’t be fully set in place until the NFLPA re-establishes itself as a union. The NFLPA said it was rejecting its union status in March and becoming a trade association; that allowed the players to file their antitrust suit.

All 1,900 players will need to vote to OK re-forming the union even as the sides put the finishing touches on a deal. Legal protections will be put in place so the NFLPA can start negotiating such items as the league’s personal conduct policy and drug testing as soon as Monday.

The major economic framework for the deal was worked out more than a week ago.

That included how the more than $9 billion in annual league revenues will be divided (about 53 percent to owners and 47 percent to players over the next decade; the old CBA resulted in nearly a 50-50 split); a per-club cap of about $120 million for salary and bonuses in 2011—and at least that in 2012 and 2013 — plus about $22 million for benefits; a salary system to rein in spending on first-round draft picks; and unrestricted free agency for most players after four seasons.

 

[lupi]

at least someone is not in the mood of screwing:

With the NFL lockout on the verge of ending, New York Jets owner Woody Johnson assembled the entire organization Monday morning in the team's auditorium and told about 150 employees that all lost wages from the lockout would be returned to them by the time they returned to their desks, according to a person familiar with the meeting.

Coach Rex Ryan and general manager Mike Tannenbaum also spoke at the assembly, the person said, with Ryan delivering a fiery, training camp-style pep talk to the coaches and staffers in the room. Basically, his message was, "The Jets are ready to get down to business."

In the early March, at the start of the lockout, the Jets slashed salaries of all employees in the football operation by 25 percent, with the provision that they would recoup the money if no games were lost due to the lockout. Ryan and Tannenbaum were included in the cuts. Non-contract employees were ordered to take unpaid furloughs.

Johnson delivered on his promise. In fact, one employee said his lost salary was already direct deposited into his account by the time he returned to his desk.

A 25-percent cut, across the span of four months, can add up to a considerable amount of money. For a coach making $500,000, that's roughly $170,000.

 

[rasczak]

at least someone is not in the mood of screwing:

With the NFL lockout on the verge of ending, New York Jets owner Woody Johnson assembled the entire organization Monday morning in the team's auditorium and told about 150 employees that all lost wages from the lockout would be returned to them by the time they returned to their desks, according to a person familiar with the meeting.

Coach Rex Ryan and general manager Mike Tannenbaum also spoke at the assembly, the person said, with Ryan delivering a fiery, training camp-style pep talk to the coaches and staffers in the room. Basically, his message was, "The Jets are ready to get down to business."

In the early March, at the start of the lockout, the Jets slashed salaries of all employees in the football operation by 25 percent, with the provision that they would recoup the money if no games were lost due to the lockout. Ryan and Tannenbaum were included in the cuts. Non-contract employees were ordered to take unpaid furloughs.

Johnson delivered on his promise. In fact, one employee said his lost salary was already direct deposited into his account by the time he returned to his desk.

A 25-percent cut, across the span of four months, can add up to a considerable amount of money. For a coach making $500,000, that's roughly $170,000.

Good on him.

 

[Fear No Evil]

at least someone is not in the mood of screwing:

With the NFL lockout on the verge of ending, New York Jets owner Woody Johnson assembled the entire organization Monday morning in the team's auditorium and told about 150 employees that all lost wages from the lockout would be returned to them by the time they returned to their desks, according to a person familiar with the meeting.

Coach Rex Ryan and general manager Mike Tannenbaum also spoke at the assembly, the person said, with Ryan delivering a fiery, training camp-style pep talk to the coaches and staffers in the room. Basically, his message was, "The Jets are ready to get down to business."

In the early March, at the start of the lockout, the Jets slashed salaries of all employees in the football operation by 25 percent, with the provision that they would recoup the money if no games were lost due to the lockout. Ryan and Tannenbaum were included in the cuts. Non-contract employees were ordered to take unpaid furloughs.

Johnson delivered on his promise. In fact, one employee said his lost salary was already direct deposited into his account by the time he returned to his desk.

A 25-percent cut, across the span of four months, can add up to a considerable amount of money. For a coach making $500,000, that's roughly $170,000.

I think the math is off. Its 25% of their salary not 100% of their salary for 4 months. Its more like 46k for a coach making 500k.

 

[surfsatwerk]

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Sports...tball-is-back-let-the-Brett-Favre-watch-begin

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NFL deal reached: 'Football is back,' let the Brett Favre watch begin


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lolololol