NFL Week 6 thread

[zinfamous]

KC is much improved as well and could be dangerous. They lost a close one yesterday. I'd take them over NE right now, mostly because I hate NE. The Steelers looked like a whole new team with Ben back. There are no real serious NFC teams up there either. Washington maybe, Packers are a disappointment and have a lot of injuries. The Bears have been lucky with the record they have--the O-line is suspect at best. Atl, maybe finish with a playoff birth. Just a weird place right now in the NFL.

yeah, i think the Bears main problem is the O-line. They leave major holes, but I've seen them tighten up. Then again...the other major problem is if we see more of Collins or not...sigh.

I have to lol at the Redskins comment. It's sad, b/c I want them to do well, but I don't really see them making it too far. They certainly look impressive, when you qualify that against the previous handful of seasons.

After last nights game, I get the feeling that while they have the skills, and the people to win these games...there's a certain lack of chemistry, strategy...communication. They are clearly missing something. Seriously--6.5 minutes to prance up the field when you're down 2 scores with 8 minutes left? wtf is that? I mean, I was excited that Indianapolis did EVERY THING THEY COULD to hand them that game on the next 3/out series of incomplete passes, no loss of time or timeouts. I mean...wtf Peyton? that was odd.

The fact that they can't exploit that kind of stupidity is really frustrating, but not surprising. Though..I was more shocked to see that kind of play calling from the great Peyton, tbh.

I'm sure Blango was shitting a brick during those 40 seconds.

 

[zinfamous]

well outside of DC, I think a lot of NFC east fans have mostly felt pity for your organization while you were going through the Dan Snyder era. lol

but yea my hate level of the cowboys and eagles are a lot higher than that of the skins.

I'll take that as a real vote of support!

...and "were" going through the Dan Snyder era? has something changed recently where we've stepped into a new era?

 

[MiniDoom]

well outside of DC, I think a lot of NFC east fans have mostly felt pity for your organization while you were going through the Dan Snyder era. lol

The NFC east is a pitiful place.
The Eagles = The fans... classless.
The Cowboys = Jerry Jones... nuff said. (would rather have Snyder)
The Giants... ? don't know...

 

[gimmewhitecastles]

Yes, I've been saying this for weeks -- the Giants are scary right now and may have turned the corner.

no surprise but i've been a believer since week 1!
seriously they have a lot of the same personnel from 2007-2008. the loss of spagnuolo was bigger than we thought, but fewell has proven to be a very competent DC even before signing with new york
and every hole we may have had was addressed in the draft.

they only concerns now is the o-line which is still very experienced and special teams. matt dodge makes me nervous everytime we punt the ball D: special teams was actually a strong point from the years past.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I'm sure Blango was shitting a brick during those 40 seconds.

Peyton sometimes frustrates me with some of his calls. I can't tell you how many times in past years they've had a 3rd and 2 or something small like that, and he goes back and fires a 50 yd pass. It really pisses me off.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

And yeah, the Redskins were handed the game on a silver platter and really screwed the pooch.

 

[gimmewhitecastles]

I'll take that as a real vote of support!

...and "were" going through the Dan Snyder era? has something changed recently where we've stepped into a new era?

haha you're still there but this season is like the first time there wasn't much meddling by him with player signings.

 

[digiram]

Yah, wonder if we're going to see an NY Bowl this year. Giants v Jets. Best looking teams in the league right now. Both play great D and have solid running games. Only team that might give Jets a scare in the playoffs would be Indy. Peyton Manning ate up their blitz happy D in last years AFC champ game.

 

[digiram]

Peyton sometimes frustrates me with some of his calls. I can't tell you how many times in past years they've had a 3rd and 2 or something small like that, and he goes back and fires a 50 yd pass. It really pisses me off.

But it's a brilliant call if the catch is made though...

 

[gimmewhitecastles]

Peyton sometimes frustrates me with some of his calls. I can't tell you how many times in past years they've had a 3rd and 2 or something small like that, and he goes back and fires a 50 yd pass. It really pisses me off.

i think 30 teams besides the pats and saints would love to have peyton as their qb.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

But it's a brilliant call if the catch is made though...

No, I am happy if it is complete but I still say it is dumb.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

i think 30 teams besides the pats and saints would love to have peyton as their qb.

Don't get me wrong, he is by far the best QB in the NFL and second place isn't even close. I know WHY he tries those plays, but I wish he would just get the first.

 

[BeauJangles]

Don't get me wrong, he is by far the best QB in the NFL and second place isn't even close. I know WHY he tries those plays, but I wish he would just get the first.

Oh come on now, let's not be ridiculous homers.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Oh come on now, let's not be ridiculous homers.

I'm not. Manning is head and shoulders above #2 (Brees) now.

 

[BeauJangles]

I'm not. Manning is head and shoulders above #2 (Brees) now.

Based on what?

 

[gimmewhitecastles]

Don't get me wrong, he is by far the best QB in the NFL and second place isn't even close. I know WHY he tries those plays, but I wish he would just get the first.

3rd and really short is one of the best times to go deep.

if they play the safeties back then all QB's, even Peyton, will go to the short checkdown but since on every third down, the defenses main goal is to prevent the first, they can be easily exploited deep. it's risky but the payoff is great. i don't mind that call.

offensive playcalling is like playing a poker hand. if you play dumb you will lose. if you play predictable you will lose. play too aggressive or too safe you will lose.

you'll have most success take risks at opportune times and avoid stupid play.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Based on what?

Seriously?

1. Stats
2. MVPs
3. Records
4. Calls his own plays
5. He is more important to the Colts than any other player is to his team (though Brees is close here)
6. Is able to overcome a terrible defense year in, year out
7. Able to easily integrate new players into the offense (see: Garcon and Collie last year, Blair White this year)

 

[IndyColtsFan]

3rd and really short is one of the best times to go deep.

if they play the safeties back then all QB's, even Peyton, will go to the short checkdown but since on every third down, the defenses main goal is to prevent the first, they can be easily exploited deep. it's risky but the payoff is great. i don't mind that call.

offensive playcalling is like playing a poker hand. if you play dumb you will lose. if you play predictable you will lose. play too aggressive or too safe you will lose.

you'll have most success take risks at opportune times and avoid stupid play.

As I said, I know exactly why he does it, but most of those passes don't seem to work out and it pisses me off. You have Collie and Clark, who are awesome at quick slants and those are nearly always complete.

 

[zinfamous]

yeah, I tend to think Peyton plays a completely different sport sometimes, and the rest of the league really has no idea how to catch up to him.

I don't think I've ever seen a greater example of an individual athlete so completely instrumental in the success of their team. Jordan comes close, of course.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

yeah, I tend to think Peyton plays a completely different sport sometimes, and the rest of the league really has no idea how to catch up to him.

I don't think I've ever seen a greater example of an individual athlete so completely instrumental in the success of their team. Jordan comes close, of course.

That's a good comparison.

The Pats lost Brady for a season and went 11-5 without him. I guarantee you that if Peyton went down, the Colts would not win a game with Curtis Painter at the helm. Even if you ditch Painter and replace him with Cassel, the Colts would not win 11 games or even close.

 

[gimmewhitecastles]

even colts defense is built around him. that is truly rare.

 

[Gibson486]

That's a good comparison.

The Pats lost Brady for a season and went 11-5 without him. I guarantee you that if Peyton went down, the Colts would not win a game with Curtis Painter at the helm. Even if you ditch Painter and replace him with Cassel, the Colts would not win 11 games or even close.

LOL...Cassel had Moss, Welker and Faulk. Those three transformed him into a good QB. Also, like it or not, the Pats are one of the better coached teams. That said, I do think Peyton means more to the Colts than Brady does to the Pats. I really think Peyton sold his soul to the devil to play great football.

 

[mvbighead]

As I said, I know exactly why he does it, but most of those passes don't seem to work out and it pisses me off. You have Collie and Clark, who are awesome at quick slants and those are nearly always complete.

Problem is, on 3rd and 2, the quick slants are often covered. Essentially the defense covers the runs and the flats, protecting against any short quick conversion. This leaves the longer stuff more open, and also shows the defense that they've got to protect the whole field on 3rd and 2, and not just the 2 yards between the LOS and the 1st down.

This is pretty much exactly what gimmewhitecastles said. Running for it, and throwing slant passes on every 3rd down shows defenses that they only have to be concerned with the 2 yards.

And, the above is true on 1st and 10, or 2nd and 7, or whatever. If, as you say, the slant to Collie and Clark is nearly always complete... why not run it every down? Answer... because the others plays set them up, and those set up other plays. The Colts are a many trick pony. Going for a long completion on 3rd and 2 is not something that is ever out of the question, because Manning will always try to take what the "defense gives him."

 

[gimmewhitecastles]

As I said, I know exactly why he does it, but most of those passes don't seem to work out and it pisses me off. You have Collie and Clark, who are awesome at quick slants and those are nearly always complete.

Problem is, on 3rd and 2, the quick slants are often covered. Essentially the defense covers the runs and the flats, protecting against any short quick conversion. This leaves the longer stuff more open, and also shows the defense that they've got to protect the whole field on 3rd and 2, and not just the 2 yards between the LOS and the 1st down.

This is pretty much exactly what gimmewhitecastles said. Running for it, and throwing slant passes on every 3rd down shows defenses that they only have to be concerned with the 2 yards.

And, the above is true on 1st and 10, or 2nd and 7, or whatever. If, as you say, the slant to Collie and Clark is nearly always complete... why not run it every down? Answer... because the others plays set them up, and those set up other plays. The Colts are a many trick pony. Going for a long completion on 3rd and 2 is not something that is ever out of the question, because Manning will always try to take what the "defense gives him."

that quick slant to wayne is what tracy porter took to the house to seal the win in the SB.

 

[Gibson486]

even colts defense is built around him. that is truly rare.

it's not that rare. The Pats D used to be built around Brady. Look how that turned out. All the holes were exposed when he went down. The Colts are going through what the Pats D went through in previous years.