NFL player pulled over outside hospital while rushing to be with dying relative

[vi edit]

There really isn't any professional or humane reason that I can think of to defend the cops actions in this situation.

It hits a little close to home for me for some roughly related reasons. Last month my 12 month old daughter started getting very lethargic and unresponsive. We live in a rural area and the way the 911 dispatches work, it'd take a solid 20 minutes for an ambulance to even get to me. And then another 15 minutes to make the run to the hospital.

We rushed to the car and hit the road. About halfway there she started siezing in the car. I was driving and my wife was in the back seat with her. My wife just said "Get there NOW!" so I dropped the hammer and was doing close to 80 on the interstate when it was a 55. This same situation crossed my mind. What would I do if a cop tried pulling me over?

I'd simply continue on my way to the Hospital and get my daughter to the ER and then deal with the consequences.

Any police officer with half a thread of compassion and humanity in them would be forgiving.

 

[Pheran]

Originally posted by: ModerateRepZero

Originally posted by: Pheran

Originally posted by: Number1
I hate to bring it to you but it was his mother in law that was dying. You may want to read the original post again.

That's not particularly relevant, given that his wife was in the car with him, so it was her mother that was dying.

Tamishia, 27, was the first out. Powell drew his gun and yelled at her to get back in.

?Get in there!? he yelled. ?Let me see your hands!?

?My mom is dying,? she explained to him.

😕 Moat's MIL = wife's mother. how is it NOT relevant, esp when it's a relative?

I think we are in agreement, you just didn't get my point. Number1 correctly pointed out that it was the husband's mother-in-law, not his mother. What I was trying to say, perhaps not very clearly, was that since his wife was with him, it was still the case they were rushing to see her dying mother - it was not just a mother-in-law relationship that was involved.

 

[chuckywang]

I think I fundamentally have a problem with the type of person who sides with the cop. These are the types of people who value process and procedure above all else, including human decency.

 

[Paladin3]

This cop wasn?t in Protect and Serve mode. He was in Maintain my Stance of Dominance mode. (Sorry, I keep hearing that phrase being used around here. 😀) When Motes failed to stop it defied his sense of authority and he felt challenged. When he finally found out why Motes had been hurrying to the hospital he should have been mature about the situation and helped speed him to the side of his dying mother-in-law. He could always write a citation later if he really felt the need. Instead he chose to make a display of his authority to show Motes who was in charge.

He kept a pleading man from the side of his dying mother to write him a traffic citation. Even today he still thinks he acted appropriately. He protected and served nothing except his Stance of Dominance.

All this talk of abused rights and race is bullshit, however. There should be no lawsuit or legal action against the cop since everything he did was legal. Not very compassionate or humane, but legal. His punishment should be to lose his job, or at least be reprimanded and thoroughly retrained to be more sensitive to the public he is employed to help.

 

[Finalnight]

Originally posted by: savoyboy
and btw, why would they need a jury trial for a "emotional distress" case?

should it be a bench trial instead?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7th_Amendment

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: savoyboy

Originally posted by: chuckywang
I think I fundamentally have a problem with the type of person who sides with the cop. These are the types of people who value process and procedure above all else, including human decency.

I think I fundamentally have a problem with the type of person who against the cop. These are the types of people who are drug users above all else, including other criminal behaviors.

😕 What a stupid analogy. Shouldn't you be studying? Wannabe cop.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: savoyboy

Originally posted by: chuckywang
I think I fundamentally have a problem with the type of person who sides with the cop. These are the types of people who value process and procedure above all else, including human decency.

I think I fundamentally have a problem with the type of person who against the cop. These are the types of people who are drug users above all else, including other criminal behaviors.

The cop was being a complete douchebag and you're a moron and a troll. No surprise seeing you post nonsense in this thread.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: savoyboy

Originally posted by: chuckywang
I think I fundamentally have a problem with the type of person who sides with the cop. These are the types of people who value process and procedure above all else, including human decency.

I think I fundamentally have a problem with the type of person who against the cop. These are the types of people who are drug users above all else, including other criminal behaviors.

😕 What a stupid analogy. Shouldn't you be shooting photos of yourself in a UPS truck? Wannabe delivery boy.

Fixed.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: savoyboy

Originally posted by: chuckywang
I think I fundamentally have a problem with the type of person who sides with the cop. These are the types of people who value process and procedure above all else, including human decency.

I think I fundamentally have a problem with the type of person who against the cop. These are the types of people who are drug users above all else, including other criminal behaviors.

i am against the cop. i am not a drug user nor am i any other criminal.

I am usually pro-cop. but in this case the cop screwed up and was on a power trip. had just had to show the guy who the boss is and kept him there a few extra minutes KNOWING that there was family dieing in that hospital.

and more i think about it the more i beleive the cop should be fired. knowing that the family is there to see the mother yet keeping them there to prove a point shows he should not be a cop.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: savoyboy

Originally posted by: chuckywang
I think I fundamentally have a problem with the type of person who sides with the cop. These are the types of people who value process and procedure above all else, including human decency.

I think I fundamentally have a problem with the type of person who against the cop. These are the types of people who are drug users above all else, including other criminal behaviors.

LOL...

 

[Finalnight]

Originally posted by: savoyboy

Originally posted by: Finalnight

Originally posted by: savoyboy
and btw, why would they need a jury trial for a "emotional distress" case?

should it be a bench trial instead?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7th_Amendment

what is statute for "Emotional Distress" under Texas law?

Texas Constitution: Article 5 Sec. 10. TRIAL BY JURY. In the trial of all causes in the District Courts, the plaintiff or defendant shall, upon application made in open court, have the right of trial by jury; but no jury shall be empaneled in any civil case unless demanded by a party to the case, and a jury fee be paid by the party demanding a jury, for such sum, and with such exceptions as may be prescribed by the Legislature.

 

[Paladin3]

Originally posted by: savoyboy

Originally posted by: Paladin3
This cop wasn?t in Protect and Serve mode. He was in Maintain my Stance of Dominance mode. (Sorry, I keep hearing that phrase being used around here. 😀) When Motes failed to stop it defied his sense of authority and he felt challenged. When he finally found out why Motes had been hurrying to the hospital he should have been mature about the situation and helped speed him to the side of his dying mother-in-law. He could always write a citation later if he really felt the need. Instead he chose to make a display of his authority to show Motes who was in charge.

He kept a pleading man from the side of his dying mother to write him a traffic citation. Even today he still thinks he acted appropriately. He protected and served nothing except his Stance of Dominance.

All this talk of abused rights and race is bullshit, however. There should be no lawsuit or legal action against the cop since everything he did was legal. Not very compassionate or humane, but legal. His punishment should be to lose his job, or at least be reprimanded and thoroughly retrained to be more sensitive to the public he is employed to help.

FYI: Protect and Serve is a PR stun used by LAPD in the 70s. Cops are not to protect and serve you, but they are there to protect the Constitutions.

Dude, I want to flame the shit out of you for being an idiot, but it would do no good for anyone. Instead, I will act like the cop SHOULD have, be mature, and let it go.

I just hope someone, somewhere is archiving your posts so they can show them to you when you are older and wiser, assuming the day ever comes when you are.

Peace.

 

[Finalnight]

Originally posted by: Paladin3

Originally posted by: savoyboy

Originally posted by: Paladin3
This cop wasn?t in Protect and Serve mode. He was in Maintain my Stance of Dominance mode. (Sorry, I keep hearing that phrase being used around here. 😀) When Motes failed to stop it defied his sense of authority and he felt challenged. When he finally found out why Motes had been hurrying to the hospital he should have been mature about the situation and helped speed him to the side of his dying mother-in-law. He could always write a citation later if he really felt the need. Instead he chose to make a display of his authority to show Motes who was in charge.

He kept a pleading man from the side of his dying mother to write him a traffic citation. Even today he still thinks he acted appropriately. He protected and served nothing except his Stance of Dominance.

All this talk of abused rights and race is bullshit, however. There should be no lawsuit or legal action against the cop since everything he did was legal. Not very compassionate or humane, but legal. His punishment should be to lose his job, or at least be reprimanded and thoroughly retrained to be more sensitive to the public he is employed to help.

FYI: Protect and Serve is a PR stun used by LAPD in the 70s. Cops are not to protect and serve you, but they are there to protect the Constitutions.

Dude, I want to flame the shit out of you for being an idiot, but it would do no good for anyone. Instead, I will act like the cop SHOULD have, be mature, and let it go.

I just hope someone, somewhere is archiving your posts so they can show them to you when you are older and wiser, assuming the day ever comes when you are.

Peace.

I don't think its about him acting wiser, but more of learning what he is talking about before he spews his "professional opinion" about stuff.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: savoyboy

Originally posted by: Paladin3

Originally posted by: savoyboy

Originally posted by: Paladin3
This cop wasn?t in Protect and Serve mode. He was in Maintain my Stance of Dominance mode. (Sorry, I keep hearing that phrase being used around here. 😀) When Motes failed to stop it defied his sense of authority and he felt challenged. When he finally found out why Motes had been hurrying to the hospital he should have been mature about the situation and helped speed him to the side of his dying mother-in-law. He could always write a citation later if he really felt the need. Instead he chose to make a display of his authority to show Motes who was in charge.

He kept a pleading man from the side of his dying mother to write him a traffic citation. Even today he still thinks he acted appropriately. He protected and served nothing except his Stance of Dominance.

All this talk of abused rights and race is bullshit, however. There should be no lawsuit or legal action against the cop since everything he did was legal. Not very compassionate or humane, but legal. His punishment should be to lose his job, or at least be reprimanded and thoroughly retrained to be more sensitive to the public he is employed to help.

FYI: Protect and Serve is a PR stun used by LAPD in the 70s. Cops are not to protect and serve you, but they are there to protect the Constitutions.

Dude, I want to flame the shit out of you for being an idiot, but it would do no good for anyone. Instead, I will act like the cop SHOULD have, be mature, and let it go.

I just hope someone, somewhere is archiving your posts so they can show them to you when you are older and wiser, assuming the day ever comes when you are.

Peace.

*shrugs* I don't know. I think i'm the most civil poster in this thread so far. I don't think i've ever resort to name calling and being a pottymouth....yet

Pointing out the truth about you isn't name calling.

 

[akugami]

Listen, by any reasonable measure Moats should have stopped, explain the situation and ask the officer if maybe he can provide an escort to the hospital for safety as well as to prove he's not BS'ing his way out of a ticket. But of course when you have a family member dying you're not exactly in the best frame of mind.

Having already reached the hospital and hearing what the suspect was saying, all the cop had to do was ask for ID, hold onto it and then tell the suspect that he (the cop) will follow the suspect up and that there will be hell to pay if the suspect is lying. Signal to HQ what you're doing and to send backup just in case. He could have handed the ID and other info to his backup to check all the background stuff on outstanding warrants. That would have been the human thing to do.

On the flip side of things. Cops can feel threatened when making a traffic stop and the suspect gets out or starts jawing. While cops getting shot during traffic stops are rare, it's been known to happen. Best thing to do is comply with the cops when you get pulled over. Pull over, pull out your license registration and insurance papers, roll down the windows and have your hands visible at all times and when complying with the requests of the cops, move slowly but surely.

This still does not excuse the action of the cop. This cop was absolutely on a power trip and was more concerned about being "THE LAW" than about serving and protecting the people. While he did nothing legally or technically wrong he certainly was not taking extenuating circumstances into account and he most certainly was not being compassionate.

Both sides have faults in this case but I can't help but side with Moats for how he was treated after trying to explain that his mother in law was dying.

 

[Mani]

lol @ the idiotic justifications of the police officer's actions. That was inexcusable, period.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: QueBert
if Moats has been a white man, while he still might have gotten a ticket, he would have gotten to see his dying Mother-In-Law before she passed. Police are here to "server & protect" too bad black people tend to be the ones getting served and rarely anything else.

please shut the fuck up

sorry, I know I and I alone made up racial profiling in my head. It's not real, it doesn't exist and no police anywhere in America know anything about it. And if they did I'm sure none would actually use it for criteria at to who they pull over and how they treat them when they do full them over.

why don't you shut the fuck up, it's clear as day why the officer was such a prick.

Are you serious? Are you like this in real life or have you created a horrible jackass troll persona for ATOT?

You can PM me if you want to keep up the act, I won't tell anyone.

Racial profiling exists, if you don't I don't know what to tell you. How is bringing up a valid point, and probably the entire reason he was suspended and being investigate trolling?

bah, i had some stuff typed but you're not worth effort. Good luck living in your fantasy world

Funny you saying this guy's in a fantasy world when you seem to think racial profiling against AAs doesn't exist and was a non-factor in this situation.

 

[TallBill]

I'm surprised that they posted this video to the public. This guy is gonna get canned

 

[chuckywang]

Originally posted by: savoyboy

Originally posted by: chuckywang
I think I fundamentally have a problem with the type of person who sides with the cop. These are the types of people who value process and procedure above all else, including human decency.

I think I fundamentally have a problem with the type of person who against the cop. These are the types of people who are drug users above all else, including other criminal behaviors.

Damn, you got me.

 

[olds]

Where's JLee? I am interested in his take on this.

 

[leftyman]

Originally posted by: savoyboy

Originally posted by: Paladin3
This cop wasn?t in Protect and Serve mode. He was in Maintain my Stance of Dominance mode. (Sorry, I keep hearing that phrase being used around here. 😀) When Motes failed to stop it defied his sense of authority and he felt challenged. When he finally found out why Motes had been hurrying to the hospital he should have been mature about the situation and helped speed him to the side of his dying mother-in-law. He could always write a citation later if he really felt the need. Instead he chose to make a display of his authority to show Motes who was in charge.

He kept a pleading man from the side of his dying mother to write him a traffic citation. Even today he still thinks he acted appropriately. He protected and served nothing except his Stance of Dominance.

All this talk of abused rights and race is bullshit, however. There should be no lawsuit or legal action against the cop since everything he did was legal. Not very compassionate or humane, but legal. His punishment should be to lose his job, or at least be reprimanded and thoroughly retrained to be more sensitive to the public he is employed to help.

FYI: Protect and Serve is a PR stun used by LAPD in the 70s. Cops are not to protect and serve you, but they are there to protect the Constitutions.

that just made my morning :laugh:

 

[Fingolfin269]

My favorite part of this entire thread are the people who continue to protect the cop... when even the police chief has pretty much admitted that the guy is a douche.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Where's JLee? I am interested in his take on this.

Just for you. 😀

I don't think he should lose his job.

That said, I would have handled it differently.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
My favorite part of this entire thread are the people who continue to protect the cop... when even the police chief has pretty much admitted that the guy is a douche.

Chiefs are often politicians. Just keep that in mind. 🙂

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
My favorite part of this entire thread are the people who continue to protect the cop... when even the police chief has pretty much admitted that the guy is a douche.

Chiefs are often politicians. Just keep that in mind. 🙂

Sure because in order to determine this guy is a douche you must be a politician. No sane cop who actually WATCHED the entire video would come to that conclusion unless they are a politician, right? You did watch the entire unedited video? 🙂