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NFL fans like socialism

HomerJS

HomerJS

Lifer
In honor of Super Bowl XLVI...

I wonder how many conservatives are diehard NFL fans? I also wonder how they can be so enamoured with a socialist organization? I know its not the real definition of socialism but its the one they use to bash Democrats so I'll go with it.

The league takes money from the big teams to distribute to the bottom. It's highly successful with teams seeing record profits.

NFL is unionized.

Many teams benefit from government help with stadiums and infrastructure.

Bill Maher making this point last year...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb9JMno7g7Y

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell explains the NFL mix of socialism and capitalism...
http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/professional/the-nfl-a-study-in-socialism-and-capitalism
 
Cool..we should treat society as a 'for profit' organization...In the NFL, underachievers are cut...what do we do with the underachievers in society???
 
Your argument seems misguided. If the people you are criticizing went and played for the NFL and became a part of the organization then you might have something. Sitting in front of the TV with a beer and watching a game hardly means that someone condones the way the organization is run or its political viewpoint.

I am sure many of these same conservatives watch movies even though they are produced by those on the left whom they disagree with. Watching and enjoying hardly means that you are willing to become a part of their production and agree with their views.

Watching != agreeing.
 
xBiffx said:
Your argument seems misguided. If the people you are criticizing went and played for the NFL and became a part of the organization then you might have something. Sitting in front of the TV with a beer and watching a game hardly means that someone condones the way the organization is run or its political viewpoint.

I am sure many of these same conservatives watch movies even though they are produced by those on the left whom they disagree with. Watching and enjoying hardly means that you are willing to become a part of their production and agree with their views.

Watching != agreeing.
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Agreed. I don't like unions in the public sector but I sure as hell don't hate teachers, police, fire, etc.
 
xBiffx said:
Your argument seems misguided. If the people you are criticizing went and played for the NFL and became a part of the organization then you might have something. Sitting in front of the TV with a beer and watching a game hardly means that someone condones the way the organization is run or its political viewpoint.

I am sure many of these same conservatives watch movies even though they are produced by those on the left whom they disagree with. Watching and enjoying hardly means that you are willing to become a part of their production and agree with their views.

Watching != agreeing.
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The idea here is that a socialistic approach to team management has resulted in a superior product.

The world is not football though, so... Yeah.
 
JockoJohnson said:
Not an underachiever, he is an illegal. I do like how the article uses the word "undocumented Mexican immigrant" instead of illegal but I would expect nothing less from the fucktards at the HuffPo.
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He was a quadraplegic made so by building our crap here in the US and left to rot after folks couldn't make a buck off his sweat any more. But I would expect nothing less from the fucktards here to just dismiss him as an "illegal."
 
eskimospy said:
The idea here is that a socialistic approach to team management has resulted in a superior product.

The world is not football though, so... Yeah.
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I agree it works for team management very well. I think the difference is people on a team have a very clear, common, and single goal and they are rewarded immediately for achieving that goal. Also the team is very small and not very diverse as far as attitudes go in the goal department.
 
Gonad the Barbarian said:
He was a quadraplegic made so by building our crap here in the US and left to rot after folks couldn't make a buck off his sweat any more. But I would expect nothing less from the fucktards here to just dismiss him as an "illegal."
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Just calling a spade a spade. I feel bad for him. It is a shame that he died. If he wasn't here illegally, he might be alive (or shot by the Mexican drug cartels).
 
xBiffx said:
Your argument seems misguided. If the people you are criticizing went and played for the NFL and became a part of the organization then you might have something. Sitting in front of the TV with a beer and watching a game hardly means that someone condones the way the organization is run or its political viewpoint.

I am sure many of these same conservatives watch movies even though they are produced by those on the left whom they disagree with. Watching and enjoying hardly means that you are willing to become a part of their production and agree with their views.

Watching != agreeing.
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Just to play devil's advocate here; wouldn't watching them be supporting them indirectly?
The advertising money earned by showing games on TV still supports the teams / player you might disagree with.

<- Does not watch football, or many other sports for that matter.
 
xBiffx said:
I agree it works for team management very well. I think the difference is people on a team have a very clear, common, and single goal and they are rewarded immediately for achieving that goal. Also the team is very small and not very diverse as far as attitudes go in the goal department.
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Not the teams, the whole league is socialist, the good teams prop up the bad.
 
eskimospy said:
The idea here is that a socialistic approach to team management has resulted in a superior product.

The world is not football though, so... Yeah.
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The goal of the NFL is to make money. If the goal of society is to make money, then this would be an apples to apples comparison.

To remain profitable, the NFL cuts players who no longer perform (injured, too old, etc)...By your logic, what should be done with underachieving members to create a superior society (didn't someone back in the 1930's have some ideas to create a superior society?)
 
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spacejamz said:
The goal of the NFL is to make money. If the goal of society is to make money, then this would be an apples to apples comparison.

The NFL cuts players who no longer perform (injured, too old, etc)...By your logic, what should be done with underachieving members to create a superior society (didn't someone back in the 1930's have some ideas to create a superior society?)
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There seems to be some confusion here between the league and individual teams. Individual teams are not socialist at all internally. They are run like a business. The interaction between teams in the league is highly socialist in nature. Bad teams are given a leg up with extra money, draft picks, etc, etc.

I don't know what you mean by 'by my logic'. I have provided no point of view in this thread other than saying that I don't believe football can be generalized to society.
 
eskimospy said:
There seems to be some confusion here between the league and individual teams. Individual teams are not socialist at all internally. They are run like a business. The interaction between teams in the league is highly socialist in nature. Bad teams are given a leg up with extra money, draft picks, etc, etc.

I don't know what you mean by 'by my logic'. I have provided no point of view in this thread other than saying that I don't believe football can be generalized to society.
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Got it...just pick the parts of the NFL that match the socialist agenda and then ignore everything else..

Besides, the NFL's 'socialist' policies are to keep the league competitive to help profitability, not because they feel sorry for the Jacksonville Jaguars or Cleveland Browns.
 
This is the dumbest analogy people use to coin socialism. The NFL is an organization, a collection of teams that agreed for the sake of their product to have revenue sharing, give the worst performing teams the first pick, and have collective bargaining rights.

The second any of the above stops producing a product people want to purchase. It will go out the door. Socialism not found.
 
Pro sports get big government money. The public university network puts billions into athletics, to train people for the pro leagues. Cities put huge amounts of money into building stadiums and infrastructure to support them, and don't see any economic benefits (according to actual studies). The NFL wouldn't exist without taxpayer money. It's sports welfare.
 
I think it's a bit of a stretch to use the word socialist to describe the NFL. It's a legal cartel with some collectivist features. You might as well say OPEC is socialist.
 
spacejamz said:
Got it...just pick the parts of the NFL that match the socialist agenda and then ignore everything else..

Besides, the NFL's 'socialist' policies are to keep the league competitive to help profitability, not because they feel sorry for the Jacksonville Jaguars or Cleveland Browns.
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I seriously have no idea why you are trying to argue with me about this, I've never stated that I believe the NFL is a socialist enterprise. My only post on the subject served to clarify the argument being made.

The entire point is silly anyway. As I said in my first post, the world is not football. Then for some reason the hitler references started.

*sigh*
 
eskimospy said:
I seriously have no idea why you are trying to argue with me about this, I've never stated that I believe the NFL is a socialist enterprise. My only post on the subject served to clarify the argument being made.

The entire point is silly anyway. As I said in my first post, the world is not football. Then for some reason the hitler references started.

*sigh*
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I apologize if I misconstrued your post...

eskimospy said:
The idea here is that a socialistic approach to team management has resulted in a superior product
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the DRIZZLE said:
I think it's a bit of a stretch to use the word socialist to describe the NFL. It's a legal cartel with some collectivist features. You might as well say OPEC is socialist.
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Or any corporation for that matter. Socialism is a collectivist ideology. Corporations are collectivist as well. Do they equal each other?
 
This is a pretty weak analogy. The reality is the NFL is the top 1% of players and football teams in the country. It's not like they're passing on the earnings to football players that didn't make it to the pros or the XFL.
 
the DRIZZLE said:
I think it's a bit of a stretch to use the word socialist to describe the NFL. It's a legal cartel with some collectivist features. You might as well say OPEC is socialist.
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It's not that much of a stretch. You have a central planning agency managing competing firms to prevent market dominance and ensure fair access to resources.
 
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