NFL fans like socialism

[xBiffx]

Just to play devil's advocate here; wouldn't watching them be supporting them indirectly?
The advertising money earned by showing games on TV still supports the teams / player you might disagree with.

<- Does not watch football, or many other sports for that matter.

I see what you are saying but that means that I have to stop spending money at the stripclub too. D: Who knows what that money supports. :hmm:

 

[Genx87]

It's not that much of a stretch. You have a central planning agency managing competing firms to prevent market dominance and ensure fair access to resources.

So does every corporation.

 

[CrackRabbit]

I see what you are saying but that means that I have to stop spending money at the stripclub too. D: Who knows what that money supports. :hmm:

You're supporting single mothers!() :awe: :sneaky:
In all seriousness though, I try to think about where my money goes before I spend it, if I strongly disagree with a what a company does or its political stance I will spend my money elsewhere.

 

[spacejamz]

It's not that much of a stretch. You have a central planning agency managing competing firms to prevent market dominance and ensure fair access to resources.

And why do you think they do this? Is it

A) to keep the league competitive so that the fans will keep coming back and watch the games in person or on TV so that they maintain/increase their profits

or

B) its not fair for the 2-14 teams to keep losing, so we should make it fair for them so their feelings don't get hurt.


Here's a hint...EVERY decision the league makes is based on impact to the bottom line (just like every corporation in the world)...

 

[fskimospy]

I apologize if I misconstrued your post...

Right, I was explaining the idea in the OP that people seemed to be misunderstanding.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

So does every corporation.

By definition corporations don't contain competing firms.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

And why do you think they do this? Is it

A) to keep the league competitive so that the fans will keep coming back and watch the games in person or on TV so that they maintain/increase their profits

or

B) its not fair for the 2-14 teams to keep losing, so we should make it fair for them so their feelings don't get hurt.


Here's a hint...EVERY decision the league makes is based on impact to the bottom line (just like every corporation in the world)...

And do you think Democrats/socialists/liberals/whatever you want to call them want market competition and fair access to resources just as to not hurt people's feelings?

The "bottom line" for government is the public good, and there ways to maximize it just like monetary profit.

 

[spacejamz]

By definition corporations don't contain competing firms.

In the NFL, steps are taken to deal with under performing teams. Eventually, a weak team is moved or it folds. Also, the teams themselves base their decisions to maximize their profitability. They are all working towards the same goal (it's all about the Benjamins)....

In our society, the individuals only care about themselves. They don't base their decisions on what is good for society or work toward a common goal.

 

[Genx87]

By definition corporations don't contain competing firms.

Neither does the NFL.

 

[spacejamz]

And do you think Democrats/socialists/liberals/whatever you want to call them want market competition and fair access to resources just as to not hurt people's feelings?

The "bottom line" for government is the public good, and there ways to maximize it just like monetary profit.

Many members of 'the Democrats/socialists/liberals/whatever you want to call them' party do not want to work for the common goal of a better society (unlike the teams in the NFL who do). If that were the case, they would not continually expect government hand outs, generation after generation.

If everyone truly did their part, and the government only had to help those people who really needed it, then a social utopia could exist.

But this will ever happen because if certain members of the population didn't need to rely on these government handouts, then a certain party would lose alot of votes.

 

[rudder]

Last time I checked the NFL is a private entity and the way it is run is decided upon by members... not mandated by the government. The Oakland Raiders do not demand millions from the New England Patriots.

If an owner does not like the system they are free to sell their team.

OP fail.

 

[Anarchist420]

The NFL has an intellectual monopoly. As Austrians know, natural monopolies don't exist, so yes, the NFL lobbies for socialism.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Many members of 'the Democrats/socialists/liberals/whatever you want to call them' party do not want to work for the common goal of a better society (unlike the teams in the NFL who do).

NFL teams are not working towards a common goal, they are working to maximize their individual profits. This is a very, very different goal than the league itself trying to maximize collective profits. In fact those two things are often directly competing. In the NFL and outside of it.

 

[Ausm]

Cool..we should treat society as a 'for profit' organization...In the NFL, underachievers are cut...what do we do with the underachievers in society???

Who is responsible for judging the so called "Underachievers"? You? LMAO

 

[Ausm]

Last time I checked the NFL is a private entity and the way it is run is decided upon by members... not mandated by the government. The Oakland Raiders do not demand millions from the New England Patriots.

If an owner does not like the system they are free to sell their team.

OP fail.

Actually you fail...my Team is owned by the people(Yours Truly too)....now try to wrap your little head around that one.

 

[actuarial]

Last time I checked the NFL is a private entity and the way it is run is decided upon by members... not mandated by the government. The Oakland Raiders do not demand millions from the New England Patriots.

If an owner does not like the system they are free to sell their team.

OP fail.

The parallel is still there though.

The system is individual owners tied together by an agreement, and then voting individually on rules affecting all them. In their case they decided, as a group, that maximum prosperity for all was achieved by helping ensure that every team has an equal chance at competitiveness, regardless of their market.

 

[spacejamz]

NFL teams are not working towards a common goal, they are working to maximize their individual profits. This is a very, very different goal than the league itself trying to maximize collective profits. In fact those two things are often directly competing. In the NFL and outside of it.

I should have stated the common goal is to maximize profits (whether it be the league's profits or the team's profits)...But honestly, does it really matter here??? Both the league and the individual teams all want to improve their profits and everything they do is geared towards that goal...do you disagree???

Can you say that all members of our society are trying to improve themselves? Are they taking advantage of the educational opportunities they have? Do they always make smart career and life choices that will positively affect their future potential??

 

[spacejamz]

The parallel is still there though.

The system is individual owners tied together by an agreement, and then voting individually on rules affecting all them. In their case they decided, as a group, that maximum prosperity for all was achieved by helping ensure that every team has an equal chance at competitiveness, regardless of their market.

Here is the basic question...Do you think these decisions that the league makes are based on financial motivation or it is the 'right thing' to do?

Should society base all of its rules on financial motivation?

 

[actuarial]

Here is the basic question...Do you think these decisions that the league makes are based on financial motivation or it is the 'right thing' to do?

Should society base all of its rules on financial motivation?

Of course I think it's based on financial motivation. And no, I don't believe that society should base all of its rules on financial motivations.

But what does that possibly answer? That I don't want 100% socialism in everything? Well yeah of course.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

I should have stated the common goal is to maximize profits (whether it be the league's profits or the team's profits)...But honestly, does it really matter here??? Both the league and the individual teams all want to improve their profits and everything they do is geared towards that goal...do you disagree???

Of course it matters here. Are Microsoft and Apple working towards the same goal?

Can you say that all members of our society are trying to improve themselves? Are they taking advantage of the educational opportunities they have? Do they always make smart career and life choices that will positively affect their future potential??

Save your straw men for someone else.

 

[rudder]

The parallel is still there though.

The system is individual owners tied together by an agreement, and then voting individually on rules affecting all them. In their case they decided, as a group, that maximum prosperity for all was achieved by helping ensure that every team has an equal chance at competitiveness, regardless of their market.

There is no parallel. If a team consistently plays like shit and expects revenue from the Patriots and Cowboys of the league to pony up money every year just because they show up... the NFL will lay the hammer to that team.

This arrangement works because it does create a more competitive environment. If fans are excited about the league they spend more money.. if it is a forgone conclusion that the Patriots will win the super bowl every year revenues will drop. On average a teams value jumped up 4% over the previous year. This means the top earning teams have to dole out less money to the lower revenue generating teams through profit sharing.

With a socialist government there is no agreement. You are told what you have to share and there is no recourse should the government decide to keep pumping more money in a resource that simply chooses not to perform.

 

[spacejamz]

Of course I think it's based on financial motivation. And no, I don't believe that society should base all of its rules on financial motivations.

But what does that possibly answer? That I don't want 100% socialism in everything? Well yeah of course.

The entire premise of this thread is that the NFL is socialism so if you support the NFL, then you support socialism.

Wonder if the OP thinks that society should base all of its decision to maximize profits so it can be like the NFL...

 

[Ausm]

There is no parallel. If a team consistently plays like shit and expects revenue from the Patriots and Cowboys of the league to pony up money every year just because they show up... the NFL will lay the hammer to that team.

This arrangement works because it does create a more competitive environment. If fans are excited about the league they spend more money.. if it is a forgone conclusion that the Patriots will win the super bowl every year revenues will drop. On average a teams value jumped up 4% over the previous year. This means the top earning teams have to dole out less money to the lower revenue generating teams through profit sharing.

With a socialist government there is no agreement. You are told what you have to share and there is no recourse should the government decide to keep pumping more money in a resource that simply chooses not to perform.

Tell that to the Steelers and Cowboys who lost consistently for 20+ years before getting the right Coach to tun them around.

 

[actuarial]

There is no parallel. If a team consistently plays like shit and expects revenue from the Patriots and Cowboys of the league to pony up money every year just because they show up... the NFL will lay the hammer to that team.

This arrangement works because it does create a more competitive environment. If fans are excited about the league they spend more money.. if it is a forgone conclusion that the Patriots will win the super bowl every year revenues will drop. On average a teams value jumped up 4% over the previous year. This means the top earning teams have to dole out less money to the lower revenue generating teams through profit sharing.

With a socialist government there is no agreement. You are told what you have to share and there is no recourse should the government decide to keep pumping more money in a resource that simply chooses not to perform.

I know why it works, and there is still a parallel. I don't think it's a very good one for discussion on social policy, but it's definitely there.

With a socialist democracy there is certainly an agreement. You aren't 'told' what to share any more than the Patriots are 'told' what to share. You vote on the sharing provisions as a group.

 

[spacejamz]

Who is responsible for judging the so called "Underachievers"? You? LMAO

Yup, in your world, there are no underachievers and everyone has a pet unicorn. However, in the NFL, players past their prime like T.O. don't their contracts renewed which was my point...

What was your point again?