NF3250 native SATA - any reason to use SCSI anymore?

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: MichaelD

I am dying to let loose my 64 bit card with 128 meg ram and 5 drives on a 64 bit slot. I have the cpu and the memory, just no motherboard !! If an NF3 250 board comes out with 64 bit slots, I'll be on it like flies on sh!t.

Right now my only option is a dual opteron board, registered memory (1 gig won;t be cheap at todays prices) and at least one Opteron 244 or better. Not in ther budget right now

My situation exactly, Mark. I don't even know if the Optereon boards have 8xAGP slots. I want "an enthusiast board." *sigh* The closest thing I've found (Intel) is this bad boy right here. It's got no Firewire though. I could live w/o it...or just buy a card.

This is what I would get if I had the money now.

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: MichaelD

I am dying to let loose my 64 bit card with 128 meg ram and 5 drives on a 64 bit slot. I have the cpu and the memory, just no motherboard !! If an NF3 250 board comes out with 64 bit slots, I'll be on it like flies on sh!t.

Right now my only option is a dual opteron board, registered memory (1 gig won;t be cheap at todays prices) and at least one Opteron 244 or better. Not in ther budget right now

My situation exactly, Mark. I don't even know if the Optereon boards have 8xAGP slots. I want "an enthusiast board." *sigh* The closest thing I've found (Intel) is this bad boy right here. It's got no Firewire though. I could live w/o it...or just buy a card.

This is what I would get if I had the money now.

:Q *DROOOOOOOOL* Man, it's hot in here all of a sudden...I feel strangely....aroused.

I just set this pic as my desktop wallpaper on my work machine. I have seen God....and he is beautiful.

Not that I can afford it...but this thing is not ATX-compliant, is it? What is "Form Factor SSI EBB V3.0?"

 

[XBoxLPU]

:Q

Talk about being loaded

:Q

 

[sharkeeper]

The Tyan is E-ATX. These boards will not fit in your typical PC case due to a lack of depth.

Cheers!

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: MichaelD
:Q *DROOOOOOOOL* Man, it's hot in here all of a sudden...I feel strangely....aroused.

I just set this pic as my desktop wallpaper on my work machine. I have seen God....and he is beautiful.

Not that I can afford it...but this thing is not ATX-compliant, is it? What is "Form Factor SSI EBB V3.0?"

I was going to get that. I posted a thread, and no one talked me into it.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: MichaelD
:Q *DROOOOOOOOL* Man, it's hot in here all of a sudden...I feel strangely....aroused.

I just set this pic as my desktop wallpaper on my work machine. I have seen God....and he is beautiful.

Not that I can afford it...but this thing is not ATX-compliant, is it? What is "Form Factor SSI EBB V3.0?"

I was going to get that. I posted a thread, and no one talked me into it.

Hey when I want something, I need people to talk me OUT of it, not into it. No excuses......

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: MichaelD
:Q *DROOOOOOOOL* Man, it's hot in here all of a sudden...I feel strangely....aroused.

I just set this pic as my desktop wallpaper on my work machine. I have seen God....and he is beautiful.

Not that I can afford it...but this thing is not ATX-compliant, is it? What is "Form Factor SSI EBB V3.0?"

I was going to get that. I posted a thread, and no one talked me into it.

Buy it


But wow...nice board~~ too bad it costs as much as a quarters worth of books with totally new classes do for me

 

[jose]

It'll fit in my case
Does it work w/ regular ps's ?

Regards,
Jose

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: magomago
Buy it


But wow...nice board~~ too bad it costs as much as a quarters worth of books with totally new classes do for me

Well, it's too late...

I ordered a dual MP board.

 

[MichaelD]

What kind of case do you need for that board anyway? The board is an Extended ATX form factor, right? I would've sworn the 1040xx variants fit EATX boards...

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: MichaelD I would've sworn the 1040xx variants fit EATX boards...

They do.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: MichaelD I would've sworn the 1040xx variants fit EATX boards...

They do.

Are you talking about Antec 1040 variants ? If so, how about 1080xxx variants ?

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: shuttleteam
By the time there is a real 64bit OS and applications that take serious advantage of it, all this stuff will be good for preventing the door from slamming in the wind so...

you don't need a 64 bit OS or processor to see a difference between 32-bit and 64-bit PCI with u320 SCSI. It's very much there.

 

[Markfw]

But I do need a 64 bit slot !!!! And they are only on dual boards with one P4 exception, and I'm not going there.....

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
But I do need a 64 bit slot !!!! And they are only on dual boards with one P4 exception, and I'm not going there.....

Mwuahahahah! It's a bitch, ain't it? :evil: It took Supermicro, a very highly-respected company in the server mobo biz to come up w/a single CPU board w/64-bit slots. There's got to be SOME market for them, you know? Workstations, anyone?

If a single CPU A64 board came out today w/a 64-bit slot, I'd be all over it!

 

[sharkeeper]

you don't need a 64 bit OS or processor to see a difference between 32-bit and 64-bit PCI with u320 SCSI. It's very much there.

Ya think? I've been using 64/66 for three years. I am talking about a 64 bit CPU and Operating System code, aka IA64.

Most workstation class systems are SMP so that's where we have to go to play right now. PCI-E will provide relief but as I said earlier don't expect boards to be loaded with PCI-E slots for a while. Since a year in computers is like a dog year, the wait is intolerable.

Cheers!

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: Markfw900
But I do need a 64 bit slot !!!! And they are only on dual boards with one P4 exception, and I'm not going there.....

Mwuahahahah! It's a bitch, ain't it? :evil: It took Supermicro, a very highly-respected company in the server mobo biz to come up w/a single CPU board w/64-bit slots. There's got to be SOME market for them, you know? Workstations, anyone?

If a single CPU A64 board came out today w/a 64-bit slot, I'd be all over it!

Gigabyte has just kicked out a single-P4 motherboard with two 64-bit PCI-X slots and onboard U320 SCSI (not sure which bus it's on).

http://www.giga-byte.com/MotherBoard/Products/Products_GA-8KNXP%20Ultra-64.htm

After downloading the manual, it's still not really clear which bus the U320 SCSI controller is attached to. They lump the PCI and PCI-X buses into one, in the manual's diagram.

 

[Josephus]

An answer to the question posed is provided in more future tense technology, aka Serial Attached SCSI see Adaptec's explanation here

 

[MichaelD]

You know, I'm just not crazy about Gigabyte boards. They have too many darn gimmicks. "Power Ultra This" and "CPU Speed Mother of God" that. Useless gimmicks that only add to the number of things that can break on the mobo.

I will admit; I have never owned a GB board; they may be great...I just am not willing to chance it though.

OTOH, I would buy a Supermicro board sight unseen. Their rep in the mobo business speaks for itself.

 

[mechBgon]

Yeah, I hear you there. The DPS seemed to be at the root of lots of problems for a while. OTOH, the Gigabyte would almost certainly OC. Supermicro? Uh... no.

 

[XBoxLPU]

I didnt think server or SMP setups and overclocking went together ?

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: XBoxLPU
I didnt think server or SMP setups and overclocking went together ?

Hehe, but we're talking MichaelD here :evil:

edit: MichaelD, the answer is that you should re-use your SCSI. It's paid for, it's brand-new, and as you can see from my real-world benchie above, there are some situations where its "special powers" really blow the doors off of "fast" ATA drives. 120 seconds versus 45 seconds looks like a pretty convincing endorsement of what command queueing and low seek times can do, and that's just a lone Cheetah 15k.3 on a basic $38 U160 SCSI card.

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: mechBgon

Originally posted by: XBoxLPU
I didnt think server or SMP setups and overclocking went together ?

Hehe, but we're talking MichaelD here :evil:

edit: MichaelD, the answer is that you should re-use your SCSI. It's paid for, it's brand-new, and as you can see from my real-world benchie above, there are some situations where its "special powers" really blow the doors off of "fast" ATA drives. 120 seconds versus 45 seconds looks like a pretty convincing endorsement of what command queueing and low seek times can do, and that's just a lone Cheetah 15k.3 on a basic $38 U160 SCSI card.

Yes; I am King of Use This Thing For What It Was Never Intended To Be Used For. B/C I can, that's why.

In my original post, I should've specified "use in a gaming/home system" but you know what I meant already. Afterall, Doctor MB, it was YOU that jammed the syringe full of SCSI Sickness into my spinal cord and got me all addicted.

I know that SCSI is better overall, but w/the stupid 32-bit PCI bus limitation, combined with SATA being on the Hypertransport bus on the NF3250, I got all confused. I will be keeping my SCSI.

Now I just have no idea what platform to put it on. I am leaning (90%) towards an A64 rig, obviously.

 

[mechBgon]

Afterall, Doctor MB, it was YOU that jammed the syringe full of SCSI Sickness into my spinal cord and got me all addicted.

And not only that, but then I did a duck-&-run and let shuttleteam do all the hard work! :evil:

I know that SCSI is better overall, but w/the stupid 32-bit PCI bus limitation, combined with SATA being on the Hypertransport bus on the NF3250, I got all confused. I will be keeping my SCSI.

Hey, no one said you couldn't have both SATA and your SCSI RAID... :evil: :evil:

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: mechBgon

Afterall, Doctor MB, it was YOU that jammed the syringe full of SCSI Sickness into my spinal cord and got me all addicted.

And not only that, but then I did a duck-&-run and let shuttleteam do all the hard work! :evil:

I know that SCSI is better overall, but w/the stupid 32-bit PCI bus limitation, combined with SATA being on the Hypertransport bus on the NF3250, I got all confused. I will be keeping my SCSI.

Hey, no one said you couldn't have both SATA andyour SCSI RAID... :evil: :evil:

:Q

/wheels turning
/smiling
/grinning
/checking wallet
/crying