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aceO07

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if HTC HD2 cant update to Windows Phone 7 then forget it get Nexus One!
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Why do you want WP7s?

The reports I've read about it have been pretty negative. No copy/paste. App market installs only. No external storage card. No usb storage. No multitasking. No NDK access.
 
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dguy6789 said:
http://www.winsupersite.com/mobile/wp7_preview.asp
http://www.winsupersite.com/mobile/wp7_preview2.asp
http://www.winsupersite.com/mobile/wp7_preview3.asp
http://www.winsupersite.com/mobile/wp7_love.asp
http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3774

Lots of information for anyone wanting to learn about WP7S.
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I detect a lot of bias from the winsupersite.. :) besides the 'I love WP7', there's also the 'office' and 'xbox' links. Everything is windows on that site!

I haven't read through all the articles yet, but does he say anything negative about WP7s?
 
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dguy6789

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aceO07 said:
I detect a lot of bias from the winsupersite.. :) besides the 'I love WP7', there's also the 'office' and 'xbox' links. Everything is windows on that site!

I haven't read through all the articles yet, but does he say anything negative about WP7s?
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Paul is definitely in favor of it, but he also knows a lot about the platform. It's good information, just keep in mind his bias when he gives something opinion oriented.
 
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aceO07 said:
I detect a lot of bias from the winsupersite.. :) besides the 'I love WP7', there's also the 'office' and 'xbox' links. Everything is windows on that site!

I haven't read through all the articles yet, but does he say anything negative about WP7s?
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Winsupersite is heavily biased towards whatever MS does and has been for years. Nothing really new there. :D
 
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Tom

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Nothing repeatable, just in the same way the old windows 9x OS's used to randomly lock up or their programs crash, I've had the same experience across multiple windows mobile devices. I'm not alone in this either, my friends who have owned windows mobile devices have had the same experience, primarily with 3rd party apps, but it still is something that doesn't appear to happen on the other platforms. Removing the battery of my windows mobile device to reset it was a fairly common occurrence.
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guess your just unlucky. btw, I've used every version of Windows since 3.1 and I never had random crashes in Windows 95 or 98, I used a Win 98se machine for 5 years without rebooting except to install updates.

On an open platform like Windows or Winmo it's possible to get crappily programmed apps, but that isn't the OS's fault.

Anyway, Android is unlikely to be any different than Winmo in terms of being user proof, that's true of any open platform. Better to live in the Apple bubble where things are safer, but limited, or maybe Blackberry, but I don't know enough about them to know if their platform is as controlled as iphone.
 
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Deeko

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aceO07 said:
Why do you want WP7s?

The reports I've read about it have been pretty negative. No copy/paste. App market installs only. No external storage card. No usb storage. No multitasking. No NDK access.
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Initial reports for WP7 were awesome. Lots of good features. Zune and xBox integration. XNA for game development. A fresh look at the phone interface.

Things started trickling out later that were less than favorable. You can clearly see they are following the iPhone route. As much as I don't like some of these - most notably the multitasking - can you blame them? The iPhone dominates the market.

I still think it will be a solid product, though. I'm interested to see how app developers deal with the multitasking issue. Hubs, as far as I know, are "always on", and the SDK lets them create hubs. So combining an app with a hub and the push notification service, you could get some defacto multitasking.
 
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yh125d

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I'd personally pay $150 more for an HD2 than an N1. Sooo prettyy....


And all the people blindly saying "winmo sucks olololo" sound just like the retards spouting off like people do about vista. Hell, I'm still on 6.1 and it's not anywhere near half as bad as you misinformed folks say it is.
 
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Fox5

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Phobic9 said:
Winsupersite is heavily biased towards whatever MS does and has been for years. Nothing really new there. :D
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He really disliked Windows Mobile, he was even harsher on it than engadget at times.

guess your just unlucky. btw, I've used every version of Windows since 3.1 and I never had random crashes in Windows 95 or 98, I used a Win 98se machine for 5 years without rebooting except to install updates.

On an open platform like Windows or Winmo it's possible to get crappily programmed apps, but that isn't the OS's fault.
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You could say it's the fault of the app, but the entire OS shouldn't go down because an app crashed. Windows 9x was always hell for me, but a lot of that was driver issues. XP was a big improvement in stability, and Vista and 7 even more so, in my experience and in Microsoft's own statistics on the issue. Windows Mobile is still a 9x era design in terms of apis, security, and sandboxing. (and the kernel hasn't been updated since 2004, it doesn't even support the latest arm instruction sets so it's less optimized than it could be)

Now that Android has opened itself up to native code, it's increasing its risks, but it has a more modern design. I expect the underlying design of Windows Phone 7 to be better though, just because it provides support for managed C, so native code isn't as necessary.

Anyhow, WinMo is a dead platform. There's likely to be no major improvements for it, and Firefox Mobile and Flash 10.1 for it have been canceled. It'd be nice if Microsoft had brought the under the hood improvements of windows phone 7 to it, but it doesn't look like they will. Most android phones will get OS updates over time, and the iphone is guaranteed. The HD2 will always be the same as it is, and the lack of a stylus means that many native windows mobile apps don't work well on it anyway. Reviews of it say it makes Windows Mobile much better, by almost entirely hiding it, yet it's horribly unsuited to make use of normal windows mobile programs due to the lack of a stylus.

It sounds like the worst of both worlds. A locked down proprietary OS/interface (the sense UI), on top of windows mobile without providing a stylus.

But the best advice with any purchase, try it out yourself. Tmobile stores should have the HD2 on hand, OP have your girlfriend try it out and see if it meets her needs. You may not be able to find a nexus one, but the droid at a verizon store would be close enough, just ignore the hardware keyboard.
(and if she's on a family plan, she can't get the nexus one anyway, so the choice is between hd2 and the g1)
 
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You could say it's the fault of the app, but the entire OS shouldn't go down because an app crashed. Windows 9x was always hell for me, but a lot of that was driver issues. XP was a big improvement in stability, and Vista and 7 even more so, in my experience and in Microsoft's own statistics on the issue. Windows Mobile is still a 9x era design in terms of apis, security, and sandboxing. (and the kernel hasn't been updated since 2004, it doesn't even support the latest arm instruction sets so it's less optimized than it could be)
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I owned several WinMo phones and don't really remember having to do hard resets because of 3rd party apps very often, if it all. All these comparisons to Windows 9x are a waste of time, no offense. They're different products. The Windows CE kernel has been updated. Not major updates, but updates nonetheless.

Now that Android has opened itself up to native code, it's increasing its risks, but it has a more modern design. I expect the underlying design of Windows Phone 7 to be better though, just because it provides support for managed C, so native code isn't as necessary.
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If a poorly-coded SDK style Android app can crash the phone, the NDK-coded apps certainly can. Come on, now you're just saying stuff.

Anyhow, WinMo is a dead platform. There's likely to be no major improvements for it, and Firefox Mobile and Flash 10.1 for it have been canceled. It'd be nice if Microsoft had brought the under the hood improvements of windows phone 7 to it, but it doesn't look like they will. Most android phones will get OS updates over time, and the iphone is guaranteed. The HD2 will always be the same as it is, and the lack of a stylus means that many native windows mobile apps don't work well on it anyway. Reviews of it say it makes Windows Mobile much better, by almost entirely hiding it, yet it's horribly unsuited to make use of normal windows mobile programs due to the lack of a stylus.
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Firefox Mobile, yea, but that's not on any platforms in workable form. As for Flash....how many mobile platforms actually support Flash right now? I'll tell you one....Windows Mobile 6.5. Not iPhone, not (native) Android, not Windows Phone 7. Windows Mobile 6.5.3 replaces the internal Windows applications with finger-friendly versions. Applications from the Windows Marketplace for Mobile are supposed to be finger-friendly. Also, remember, the screen is much larger than other Windows Mobile devices - so even with a finger, its not so bad to touch things.

It sounds like the worst of both worlds. A locked down proprietary OS/interface (the sense UI), on top of windows mobile without providing a stylus.
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You don't *have* to use Sense if you consider it a negative. You don't have to use a stylus, either. I had a brief stint with the Touch Pro 2 for about a month. It had a less finger-friendly UI than the HD2 and a smaller screen, and I didn't really need the stylus.

Anyway, it sounds like you're just very jaded towards Windows Mobile in general. There were certainly issues with earlier versions, many of them have been fixed or significantly improved with 6.5.3/Sense/other features fot he HD2. Are there still remaining issues? Sure - but there are on ALL mobile platforms.
 
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Fox5

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Anyway, it sounds like you're just very jaded towards Windows Mobile in general. There were certainly issues with earlier versions, many of them have been fixed or significantly improved with 6.5.3/Sense/other features fot he HD2. Are there still remaining issues? Sure - but there are on ALL mobile platforms.
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Thanks for remaining civil. I would not choose a windows mobile device again, but it certainly has its adherents. And despite being a point release, it sounds like 6.5.3 had some good polish for the windows mobile 6.5 platform.
Firefox mobile works pretty well on the n900, when it gets to that points on other platforms (at this point only android it seems like), it will be a worthy alternative browser. It's a shame it was canceled, as the only platform more in need of browser alternatives than windows mobile is blackberry. Opera improves fast though, and is pretty much the de facto winmo browser anyway.

I stand with the recommendation that the best way to see if a phone is for you is to go into the store and try it out (or a similar device).
 
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I dont know why people always bring up no-stylus as a bad thing. I have large hands and have never had to use the stylus on my WM6.0 with 2.8 screen or with my 6.1 with 2.8 screen phones... (well, I do when I play sudoku
 
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